BLIKNS Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 The Huskies just finished sweeping Arizona!Have they played their way into the bubble? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesycow Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 Coming into today's game, they were 99th in RPI (per kenpom.com) with 4 losses to sub 100 rpi teams. Plus the Pac-10 is likely to get NO love from the selection committee this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 not yet, but they also get to play cal and stanford and az state yet. sweep them and maybe so. arizona is tremendously overated imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikens_Fanatic Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 I agree Broy. On top of all their troubles, Arizona suspended Salim Stoudamire today for "failure to meet team responsiblities." If they even make it into the tournament, there's no way they're going anywhere. I'm not sure they could make the "Final Four" in the Pac-10 tourney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesycow Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 ...Cal-State Fullerton could make the Pac-10 final this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schasz Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 SPUMAC might too MooFan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesycow Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 I guarantee they would. Haven't you heard? The season's going decently now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 If UW finishes in second in the PAC-10 at 11-7 (assuming a loss to Sanford) and they tie or finish ahead of Arizona will they be slighted for the Cats? The committee says they don't place as much importance on the RPI as everyone thinks, well, this will be a chance for them to back up their claim. If they finish 2nd UW deserves an NCAA bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 never thought about that. that will definitely be interesting to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 is unfolding in conference usa with depaul and louisville. i dont think the committee has the guts to give 6 spots to cusa and i dont think they have the guts to leave ricky out of the party with his low rpi as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwyjibo Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 Now you sound like Dick V. doling out NCAA bids from on high as if they were on given out on the basis of whims and feelings. In order to make the case for Washington you would not only have to ignore RPI but you would likely have to ignore nearly all the committee factors like "good wins"/"bad losses"/"total wins". You seem to be basing this "chance" purely on a potential "second place" in the regular season (when absolute conference position is NOT a factor for selection; although relative position is). Do you think Marquette and SLU still have a chance based on them being successful down the stretch as you imply for Washington? Both of them are at better objective positions now and unless Washington beats Stanford both have more potential to improve. Yet, history gives them little chance and you seem to imply that Washington has a reasonable chance. What is so special about 2nd place in the 9th rated conference anyway? There is plenty of history when the 2nd place reg season teams with RPI's over 80 in the MVC or WAC did not get into the tournament. It all depends on the individual merits of the team when analyzed against all other teams at the end of the season. What is so special about Washington? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 one big difference is that the pac 10 is one of the ncaa's pet 6 conferences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwyjibo Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 If Washington gets in without beating Stanford I will start believing in conspiracies, but history tells me that they have 0% chance of an at large bid without improving their profile dramatically. More importantly it would not be fair to about 20 other teams left out with more deserving profiles (including many big conference teams like Michigan). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted February 29, 2004 Share Posted February 29, 2004 >Now you sound like Dick V. doling out NCAA bids from on high >as if they were on given out on the basis of whims and >feelings. > >In order to make the case for Washington you would not only >have to ignore RPI but you would likely have to ignore >nearly all the committee factors like "good wins"/"bad >losses"/"total wins". You seem to be basing this "chance" >purely on a potential "second place" in the regular season >(when absolute conference position is NOT a factor for >selection; although relative position is). > >Do you think Marquette and SLU still have a chance based on >them being successful down the stretch as you imply for >Washington? Both of them are at better objective positions >now and unless Washington beats Stanford both have more >potential to improve. Yet, history gives them little chance >and you seem to imply that Washington has a reasonable >chance. > >What is so special about 2nd place in the 9th rated >conference anyway? There is plenty of history when the 2nd >place reg season teams with RPI's over 80 in the MVC or WAC >did not get into the tournament. It all depends on the >individual merits of the team when analyzed against all >other teams at the end of the season. What is so special >about Washington? Am I saying Washington deserves a bid RIGHT NOW? No, but the NCAA officials have claimed that RPI really isn't that big a factor in selections, actual on-court performance is. We hear all the time about the "last 10" factor too. If UW beats Cal and loses to Sanford they will finish 8-2 in their last 10 and second in their conference, with a sweep of Arizona. If the NCAA is telling the truth that RPI isn't a factor in selections UW deserves a bid - 11-7 and second place in a conference like the PAC-10 is damn good and they way they are playing right now makes them one of the top 65 teams in the country. If they do not get a bid then the selection committee should admit that RPI is the single more important factor and not continue to deny it as they have. That is what I mean regarding a big test for the selection committee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted February 29, 2004 Share Posted February 29, 2004 You're saying the the Selection Committee has said that RPI is not a factor in the selection of the NCAA Tournament field (at-large). I've never heard that. I've always heard that RPI is one of the factors in the selection -- a very significant factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 there was an article last week, I think on Sportsline, where someone on the selection committee said the perceived emphasis on the RPI was "highly overrated." IF that is the case then Washington, if they finish 11-7 in the PAC-10 and second in the conference, closing out the season 8-2, should get in, just at SLU, if they beat Louisville, should get in at 17-10 (10-6 in conference) despite a low RPI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 "Highly overrated", if that was what was written, does not mean "not a factor". It means it's one of the factors, just as thicks stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 but what people here are saying is that RPI is the only factor and based on RPI UW should not get in. If RPI is not such an important factor then UW will get in, provided they don't flame out in the first round of the PAC 10 tourney. Of course, maybe the sentiment here is just wanting to see Romar fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 they say that every year yet when it comes down to it, only 2-3 teams at the most of the "at large bids" will stray from the rpi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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