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Agree, I was there, just got home. Wonderful game, once they got the lead, after having been behind by 10 pts or so, they never let it go. Great stuff, I feel so happy for them, and so satisfied of having been there to see the game live.

This is not about S2, but it directly refers to the current social and legal climate about issues involving sexual misconduct. Are you aware of the Larry Nassar saga? This guy was a gym Dr. that apparently had sexual misconduct with at least 150 of the girls in the Gym at Michigan State where he was employed. He pleaded guilty and just received a 170 year jail sentence, a life sentence. The president of Michigan State just resigned as a result of this scandal. These are facts and yes the guy was guilty, but I am sure that a review of similar prior cases that pleaded guilty would reveal much more lenient sentences. The current mode in the country is one of close to zero tolerance for sexual misconduct, and for taking the side of the females involved whether the allegation is real or even questionable. I am just saying open your eyes and look around at what is currently happening in this regard around the country and in the news.

I was there, they played very well and it was just by chance they tied in regulation time. One more FT basket, one less TO, one less erroneous call by the refs would have made us win in regulation time. You must give it to VCU, they can play to cause TOs that is what they did to us and that is how they won this one. Great effort. Now on to Dayton.

I want to apologize for the quote above, I really had no idea that providing funds to the suspended players would destroy their eligibility under NCAA rules. Live and learn. I made this proposal in in good faith to help the kids in this dark hour of their lives. I am disappointed we cannot help them directly and sincerely hope that things turn out OK for them. That said, I am still interested in exploring how the kids might be helped out without messing them up in regards to the NCAA rules, any ideas anyone?

Quality is Job 1, this is a good question, maybe there is an equally good answer. I was not aware this would ruin their eligibility.

NCAA Violation? really? There is no way to privately channel support funds to them?

235 pages of guessing, hope, anger, and despair. Nothing you (plural) can do except to stop your donations, and rant. The issue I am talking about is how to develop a way to channel all of this anger into a useful purpose. For example, helping out with the suspended students expenses during their suspension. Just saying, that would be a purposeful way to channel the anger in a constructive way. Let's try hard to stay away from destructive activities, let's try to help the kids out somehow. Any thoughts about how this could be done?

You are correct in a twisted round about sense which is very real. In other words you can say or post anything you want, and even when you think your meaning is totally clear, someone somewhere will interpret it to mean something else.

I have been labelled as a bad poster when I said no one would be happy with the decision, and that it was a lose-lose situation. We can go ahead and hope all we want about the effectiveness of the appeals, but I too doubt they will change much of anything.

I am just saying what I see.

The guy I see is playing below his usual way is Jalen Johnson, Goodwin is playing like he does not have a care in the world and is giving his all to the game. Not the same for Jalen Johnson.

No blue ink sulfan?

Hey guys, these here are soldiers (maybe marines too but I do not know) and they do a lot more exercise daily than a bunch of you do in a week. Their life may depend on rapid reactions and endurance under fire. If they are going to go for recreational sports they are going to do it the way they do everything, lots of strength and lots of speed, rapid action. Yes, they are good, they train to be good when it counts, this is just recreation.

Everyone posting in this thread has been doing exactly that for a long time.

Brianstl although I agree the decision taken was, to be polite, unexpected that does not mean the SLU basketball program has disintegrated already. I agree disintegration is one of the many things that may happen, mediocrity may be more like it, and unlikely but not impossible things may come around someway or the other and we may wind up with a good team next year. I am not trying to be contentious, and I am not trying to put you down. But I think you are embracing the worst possible outcome as the only possible outcome. I am just pointing out that other things may happen. It would be nice to see a post from you from time to time, and if you do not, I will miss your posts. All the best.

I do not think has access to inside information, I think he is guessing like everyone else is.

So, no pot of gold, no lawsuit, at least not from the player's side. From the side of the girls there is a possibility of legal action if the parent is still mad as hell and has the money to go for it. We still have the appeals process to go through.

How about Oral Roberts? I doubt there are no conservatives there.

That is exactly the problem here, is the pot of gold at the end of the law suit likely to be a rich one or not? I have no idea how these things are estimated by law firms. Do you know?

The University is far from being all knowing and all merciful like God is. Religion 101, simple answer.

I believe it is accepted as truth that the players do not come from wealthy families. Where are they going to get the money to pay for the civil law suits against the University? Who thinks the lawyers in this case have been working pro bono? Who thinks they are certain to collect millions out of the possible law suits, or at least enough money that lawyers would be willing to take the case on commission only? The practice of law is a business in case you have not noticed. The lawyers have been collecting fees for months now, and more to come with the appeals. So, the question is, and has to be, how much is likely to go to the lawyers if they agree to take the players' case to court on commission? In other words what are the possible damages that can be claimed? I really have no idea about the level of damages that can be claimed in this case.

From my point of view, everything has a reason but the real reasons are hard to find. I will give you two suggestions to account for Goodwin being present in this game today: a. the sanctions do not take effect until the end of this semester with everything staying status quo until the end of the semester. b. The sanctions will not be enforced until the whole process of appeals is finishes (this may take some time). For whatever reason, which we will probably never understand, Goodwin played today. I just came down with the flu and feel like a rag but my wife told me it had been a great game. Thank the Lord for small favors. Goodwin played, and I hope he keeps on playing until he cannot. For as long as he plays feel the smile of the higher powers above raining on us. We won this one and many more I hope. There is some small comfort in this mess after all. I pray and hope Goodwin's sanctions are lowered or eliminated during the appeals process, we will see.

I think a lot of people here believe the athletics, particularly the basketball program, is the most important part of the University. A lot of people think that basketball is necessary for the University to attract well qualified students and increase its image and endowment. You can interpret the decision made public yesterday as a confirmation that from the point of view of the University, the athletics, particularly the basketball program, is NOT the most important part of the University. Other things are more important than basketball and athletics.

Hey BigMouth a lot of these guys are not likely to be alive by 2050

OK, so we have a decision which is what everyone had been asking for. This decision is not something that will make anyone happy. It does look there were no winners in this mess. What about the girls? Even worse, it is not over yet, the door is open to appeals and I bet we will have them, so count upon more time to let the appeals percolate through the system.