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I want to apologize for the quote above, I really had no idea that providing funds to the suspended players would destroy their eligibility under NCAA rules. Live and learn. I made this proposal in in good faith to help the kids in this dark hour of their lives. I am disappointed we cannot help them directly and sincerely hope that things turn out OK for them. That said, I am still interested in exploring how the kids might be helped out without messing them up in regards to the NCAA rules, any ideas anyone?

Quality is Job 1, this is a good question, maybe there is an equally good answer. I was not aware this would ruin their eligibility.

NCAA Violation? really? There is no way to privately channel support funds to them?

235 pages of guessing, hope, anger, and despair. Nothing you (plural) can do except to stop your donations, and rant. The issue I am talking about is how to develop a way to channel all of this anger into a useful purpose. For example, helping out with the suspended students expenses during their suspension. Just saying, that would be a purposeful way to channel the anger in a constructive way. Let's try hard to stay away from destructive activities, let's try to help the kids out somehow. Any thoughts about how this could be done?

You are correct in a twisted round about sense which is very real. In other words you can say or post anything you want, and even when you think your meaning is totally clear, someone somewhere will interpret it to mean something else.

I have been labelled as a bad poster when I said no one would be happy with the decision, and that it was a lose-lose situation. We can go ahead and hope all we want about the effectiveness of the appeals, but I too doubt they will change much of anything.

I am just saying what I see.

The guy I see is playing below his usual way is Jalen Johnson, Goodwin is playing like he does not have a care in the world and is giving his all to the game. Not the same for Jalen Johnson.

No blue ink sulfan?

Hey guys, these here are soldiers (maybe marines too but I do not know) and they do a lot more exercise daily than a bunch of you do in a week. Their life may depend on rapid reactions and endurance under fire. If they are going to go for recreational sports they are going to do it the way they do everything, lots of strength and lots of speed, rapid action. Yes, they are good, they train to be good when it counts, this is just recreation.

Everyone posting in this thread has been doing exactly that for a long time.

Brianstl although I agree the decision taken was, to be polite, unexpected that does not mean the SLU basketball program has disintegrated already. I agree disintegration is one of the many things that may happen, mediocrity may be more like it, and unlikely but not impossible things may come around someway or the other and we may wind up with a good team next year. I am not trying to be contentious, and I am not trying to put you down. But I think you are embracing the worst possible outcome as the only possible outcome. I am just pointing out that other things may happen. It would be nice to see a post from you from time to time, and if you do not, I will miss your posts. All the best.

I do not think has access to inside information, I think he is guessing like everyone else is.

So, no pot of gold, no lawsuit, at least not from the player's side. From the side of the girls there is a possibility of legal action if the parent is still mad as hell and has the money to go for it. We still have the appeals process to go through.

How about Oral Roberts? I doubt there are no conservatives there.

That is exactly the problem here, is the pot of gold at the end of the law suit likely to be a rich one or not? I have no idea how these things are estimated by law firms. Do you know?

The University is far from being all knowing and all merciful like God is. Religion 101, simple answer.

I believe it is accepted as truth that the players do not come from wealthy families. Where are they going to get the money to pay for the civil law suits against the University? Who thinks the lawyers in this case have been working pro bono? Who thinks they are certain to collect millions out of the possible law suits, or at least enough money that lawyers would be willing to take the case on commission only? The practice of law is a business in case you have not noticed. The lawyers have been collecting fees for months now, and more to come with the appeals. So, the question is, and has to be, how much is likely to go to the lawyers if they agree to take the players' case to court on commission? In other words what are the possible damages that can be claimed? I really have no idea about the level of damages that can be claimed in this case.

From my point of view, everything has a reason but the real reasons are hard to find. I will give you two suggestions to account for Goodwin being present in this game today: a. the sanctions do not take effect until the end of this semester with everything staying status quo until the end of the semester. b. The sanctions will not be enforced until the whole process of appeals is finishes (this may take some time). For whatever reason, which we will probably never understand, Goodwin played today. I just came down with the flu and feel like a rag but my wife told me it had been a great game. Thank the Lord for small favors. Goodwin played, and I hope he keeps on playing until he cannot. For as long as he plays feel the smile of the higher powers above raining on us. We won this one and many more I hope. There is some small comfort in this mess after all. I pray and hope Goodwin's sanctions are lowered or eliminated during the appeals process, we will see.

I think a lot of people here believe the athletics, particularly the basketball program, is the most important part of the University. A lot of people think that basketball is necessary for the University to attract well qualified students and increase its image and endowment. You can interpret the decision made public yesterday as a confirmation that from the point of view of the University, the athletics, particularly the basketball program, is NOT the most important part of the University. Other things are more important than basketball and athletics.

Hey BigMouth a lot of these guys are not likely to be alive by 2050

OK, so we have a decision which is what everyone had been asking for. This decision is not something that will make anyone happy. It does look there were no winners in this mess. What about the girls? Even worse, it is not over yet, the door is open to appeals and I bet we will have them, so count upon more time to let the appeals percolate through the system.

It has always been a lose-lose situation for all involved. This is nothing new.

Let's analyze this a bit. No one believes that Welmer will get to play this year, but maybe, just maybe he might be able to. That would be another player. Now, let's say that whatever is ailing Jalen Johnson is solved and he regains his prior level of performance, certainly this is something that could happen. That might count as another player. Now let's say that Anthony starts or continues to get more with it and improves his performance to some degree. That might count as another player available. We may have the resources we need to improve at least a bit, if these suppositions come to pass. Let's hope they do happen. It would be nice to beat all three, UMass, VCU and Dayton, in a row.

It is really silly at this time to spend more time wondering and getting angry at the reasons for the lack of action from the Administration. The Administration will do what it will do for reasons of their own that do not have to be (in fact they are not) your reasons, or the player's reasons, or the girl's reasons. There is no rationality in this at this time, it just is what it is. It will come to an end when it comes to an end, and very obviously all you can say about the timing is: not yet.