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10 hours ago, willie said:
It is definitely to his credit that he is not forcing up a bunch of forced shots.
Agree. Just need the Bills to make teams pay dearly for it.
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2 hours ago, Taj79 said:
Here's a trend ---- in the past two games, French has scored 6 and 5 points against Davidson and Fordham respectively. Five games in to the conference season and the book is out ..... pack it in, limit French, protect the boards and force SLU to shoot from some distance.
By now, you know my thoughts on Davidson's front line. Still, the result was what it was and Davidson followed McKillop's game strategy to a tee. Then Fordham, with no discernible front line, accomplished the same. The major difference was no one really put a body on Goodwin allowing him five offensive rebounds. And Tay Weaver stepped up. We shall see.
Near the end of the Fordham GDT, I noted La Salle, under Ashley Howard, likes to press full court all game. Howard has been given credit for getting his team to buy into that principal and has been lauded for improving their defensive results from last year to this. I will be curious to see if, with the book out there now, does he change his principals and alter his defense come Wednesday. He has enough guards in the stable (7) to press and press again. All seven get almost 20 mpg. Saul Phiri and Isaiah Deas havehurt us before.
St. Joe's is different; they don't have a true point guard on the roster. Also, no true center. They play five out and none in and every player ismore content to launch a three than bang inside. Taylor Funk is no longer listed on their team roster and they have three guys who have launched 100 threes apiece and another closing in on that total. They have employed zones more than not but from my viewing, they are not collectively in the paint mostof the time and get hurt there. Not only does Ryan Daly lead them in scoring, but rebounding, assists and steals as well.
Going to be two interesting and diiferent games in Philly this week.
You know the book is out when Has only attempted a grand total of 3 shots in 35 minutes yesterday vs Fordham.
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2 hours ago, slufanskip said:
In the first half Obi set 2 moving screens besides the one he got called for. He took an extra qtr step and stuck his hip out as the defender was going by. One of them was on Yuri's 2nd foul where the guy hit the shot from the elbow.
Of all the missed calls last night, the almost carte blanche the officials gave Toppin all night on moving screens was disgusting. He looked like an offensive tackle clearing out the key. Only one whistle. Could have been called a couple dozen times.
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15 minutes ago, Cowboy said:
-looked at the tickets available, just over 800, from $10 to $200 per seat available, 2 sections with no tickets available
-God love the person, unless wearing a sweater vest, off the street that pays $40 plus fees to sit center court in the upper level, second row from the top
I know you’re talking about this Friday’s home game vs SVU, but your post reminded me about the tickets and pre-game fans party for the SVU game at Dayton.
$40 package includes ticket and party, or $15 for party only if you already have game ticket. Meant to post this a few weeks ago when I saw it.
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2 hours ago, billikens747 said:
Here's the story link at KSDK.com:
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4 minutes ago, Compton said:
I don’t think a win over Dayton is necessarily needed for an at-large. We could lose our games to Dayton and VCU, win the rest, finish 3rd in the A10 with a 25-6 record going into the conference tourney and get a bid.
Probably right. 25 wins is the number. And a 26th victory in conference tourney would certainly seal it.
But winning all remaining games except Dayton and VCU is a long shot. Needing OT to beat 6-7 (now 6-8) UMass in our own building exposed the additional work - and maturity - the Bills need to make this happen. 23 TOs?
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Pistol, thanks for doing this. I can only imagine the time it takes...
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Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but good story from Stu and Post-Dispatch on SLU and NET rankings.
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3 hours ago, slufanskip said:
The NFL argument doesn't work here as the NFL was here for every one of those years listed above.
Hah, right you are!
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5 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:
I believe there is an amount of pro sports dollars that just will get spent. prior to the rams coming and becoming good, that money was there for the taking and spoonball and our wonderful character/spokesman/coach charlie spoonhour grabbed the dollars.
yes no nfl dollars right now, however we aka st louis, is currently still on a hockey high. while we continue same ole same ole, the blues are packing them in night after night.
until we are an ncaa contender year in and year out, it will remain as is imo. got to climb to the next level before we have the automatic sell outs.
really agree with last sentence... and the same ole same ole comment. solving for that is crucial. we must truly be Top 50 year after year. a contender. not the Cincinnati reds (apologies to cincy fans.)
sorta agree otherwise. no doubt, it does get somewhat harder to grab dollars (tickets $ and sponsorship $) when there are more teams and/or they're having big success. but fans find the dough when the product is really compelling. and slu tickets are cheap. we just haven't been consistently compelling. one step forward, one back.
the total pro sports dollar isn't fixed. demand drives it. cards fans dig deep for exorbitantly priced playoff tickets during playoff seasons. blues fans, ditto. if the product's great, it'll come out of other entertainment/leisure budgets... movies, concerts, travel and more. or they'll save less. or they'll ring up credit card debt. or all of the above.
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29 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:
totally agree. you get a conference with mostly public schools we are in trouble particularly with the non-revenue sports.
the only conference to consider besides the A10 is the big east and then only if they take us as a total equal member and assist with exit and entry fees like most conference moves.
we really are in the best place. yes campaign for weak sisters like fordham to look for a new home and to draft the likes of loyola, but in all likelihood we are in the best place for now imo.
agree, roy. for the moment, A10 is best. public school league puts us in trouble vs non-rev, overall funding, and isn't home to cities of great importance in student recruiting.
the best is big east. as equal partner. that only happens when we make strong case our basketball product is worthy of it, year after consistent year. historically, our brand hasn't been there.
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2 hours ago, CBFan said:
Consistent winning, Coach Ford and local athletes will fill the Chaifetz up eventually.
One thing that hurts the attendance is the conference SLU plays in. People showed up to watch Louisville, Cincy, Memphis, Marquette, DePaul, Dayton, and UAB. Dayton and VCU should draw well but it ends there. SLU needs to move to the AAC, Cincy, Memphis, and Wichita State will draw big crowds. I think Houston, Tulsa and Temple should get better than average crowds. At least the casual fan would know what state the schools are located in versus St. Bonaventure, St. Joe's Fordham, LaSalle, and Duquesne.
Correct, correct. I'd also add no more S1, S2, etc.
At risk of sounding like a broken record from similar things I've posted on attendance over the years, don't forget SLU was one of the top teams in average attendance in the entire NCAA in the mid/late '90s. Three times Top 10, six times Top 20.
- 1995 17,714 #7
- 1996 16,986 #7
- 1997 13,732 #18
- 1998 17,708 #6
- 1999 15,142 #12
- 2000 13,631 #20
The market is there folks. A popular coach, excellent product, excellent marketing, couple local stars in the mix -- and consistent winning. Some have said some of this success was due to no NFL team. I disagree; the NFL fan is different from college basketball fan, particularly of private school SLU. If the product is right, fans will come. Regardless, there's no NFL team at the moment.
And remember, this was achieved before the Top 50 program commitment plans were realized: pre-Majerus, pre-Chaifetz, pre-increased bball funding, etc.
It's wide open if we do what CBFan says.
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2 hours ago, Sheltiedave said:
Why is Yuri places with the shooters? Two reasons...
He is by far our best ball handler.
With two healthy wrists, he is one of our best ft shooters.
Wgst, if Bell is afraid to drive to the basket with the entire lane open, you and Hoosier are committing the fallacy of stats navel gazing without analysis. Bell cannot handle the ball under pressure to break a press. Yuri can, and does.
This is akin to the Boston fans bemoaning the drafting of Larry Bird in the first round. They could not fathom a broken pinky finger on his shooting hand would result in so many errant shots against MSU in the title game.
Judge players from their play when healthy, not while injured.
Agree. While Yuri is currently struggling, he had a good history in high school at St. Mary's.
Averaged over all four years, he shot 68%. By his senior year it was 79% on 153-194 shooting.
He'll be fine.
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Very happy for him.
Has handled himself well in retirement... year after year he didn't mouth off about not getting voted in, has been a good Cardinals ambassador, gave a very nice speech when the Cardinals inducted him in the their own Hall not long ago. Classy guy. A great Cardinal.
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2 hours ago, CBFan said:
I hope that the city will get enough to pay off the dome.
If they can keep this from lasting for years and the group can get close to the billion from the NFL it will be a great day.
Allowing the Rams to move was one thing but you can keep the team if you build a new stadium snipe hunt the NFL pushed was the worse and cost people another 16 million dollars needlessly. The group put together a viable plan for a new stadium and the NFL allowed the Rams to leave any way.
The courts IMO will not like the NFL snipe hunt and I believe the NFL will pay big for it. Imagine phone call evidence of Jerry Jones, StanK, and Goodell talking about the St. Louis group putting together a viable option but you can move any way.
Had the NFL used some of the 500 million relocation fee StanK paid to make the city whole by paying off the dome; paid off the PSL holders and making the group that put the group whole that put the new stadium plan together and not given St. Louis the finger there may have not been a lawsuit.
The PR of this lawsuit will not play well for the declining NFL.
Agree with all of this.
I think the NFL is more worried about:
- undermining their anti-trust protection. Opening that can of worms - particularly if congress begins poking around again - would do tremendous harm. I'd be surprised if the plaintiffs aren't already having discussions with Senators Blunt and Hawley, and representatives. Maybe those discussions began before the lawsuit was filed.
- guilty verdict, and particularly punitive damages in plaintiff-friendly STL City. Would not be surprising if the punitive exceeds the actual damage award. Certainly could be appealed, but still a huge risk.
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5 hours ago, cheeseman said:
The money is not going to the City as such. There are groups involved in the lawsuit who will divide the money up. I am not saying the City wouldn't get something but don't think they will get a billion dollar check for them to do as they please.
The money (or other settlement) will be divided amongst four groups: STL City, STL County, the Dome Authority and the lawyers who are working on 100% contingency. Not sure of how it will be divided.
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And if I haven’t worn everyone out...
For other lawsuit junkies who’d like weekend reading, here is a very good overview and analysis of the suit, particularly the anti-trust component. It was written about 18 months ago and thus doesn’t include the latest rulings at MO Supreme Court and SCOTUS, potential settlements, etc. But otherwise excellent.
And unlike some of my posts, not too wordy!
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2 hours ago, Adman said:
Correct. The two you mention are two of the lawsuit’s four counts: Breach of Contract and Fraudulent Misrepresentation. They are leveled against all defendants: NFL, all teams, and team owners.
The other two counts are Unjust Enrichment (against all defendants,) and Fraudulent Misrepresentation against he Rams and Kroenke specifically.
All four are well explained in the lawsuit which I think you’ll find a fascinating read:
A couple corrections to my earlier post:
- There is a 5th count – Tortious Interference With Business Expectancy (Against all Defendants, except the Rams)
This applies to Jerry Jones’ actions to influence the vote, the owners’ vote to relocate the team and actions of the NFL.
- the Fraudulent Misrepresentation count against the other 31 owners that I mentioned in earlier post was later dismissed by the judge who stated that he could find no stated misrepresentation by them in the lawsuit. That sounds right.
Kroenke, the Rams and the NFL are defendants in Fraudulent Misrepresentation.
The other owners and their teams, the Rams, Kroenke, and the NFL are still defendants in the Breach of Contract and Unjust Enrichment counts.
And as just mentioned, the other 31 owners, their teams, and the NFL are also defendants in the Tortious Interference count.
Hope this isn’t too confusing.
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2 hours ago, cheeseman said:
The reason the NFL has the relocation rules was because of Davis moving the Raiders from Oakland to LA and then back again. The NFL sued Davis and Davis won because the NFL had no rules. So they set rules as per the court decision and then they disregarded it. Given that they have anti trust exemption they have to not be just simply out of control or they risk losing it. The other problem was that they told StL that they were going to follow the rules so StL played by the rules and then the NFL just said never mind. This opens them up to fraud charges. I am sure there is more to it but this is how I have had it explained.
Correct. The two you mention are two of the lawsuit’s four counts: Breach of Contract and Fraudulent Misrepresentation. They are leveled against all defendants: NFL, all teams, and team owners.
The other two counts are Unjust Enrichment (against all defendants,) and Fraudulent Misrepresentation against he Rams and Kroenke specifically.
All four are well explained in the lawsuit which I think you’ll find a fascinating read:
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3 hours ago, slufanskip said:
We don't runt that little weave often. We run it when we're in a half court offense. We have a tendency to stand around in the half court and our offense gets very stagnant. We don't even do it very often when we are slow down. I haven't noticed the percentage of times it got us a good luck or resulted in a t/o but it does get us moving. When we're stopped and running a half court offense it's not like without it we are some scoring juggernaut.
I really liked how Yuri dished the ball to Hargrove on the breakaway. He had an easy uncontested layup himself but instead chose to give the ball to his teammate who hasn't played much this year. Yuri gets it.
Agree with your comment on Yuri dishing to Hargrove on the breakaway. Of all 11 of his assists - some dazzling - this one was my favorite. It was an easy two for Yuri. But he put himself aside to lift up a teammate who needed it. That’s a real teammate.
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9 hours ago, Billfan7 said:
As I understand it, the only matter litigated thus far is whether the case should be arbitrated or go to court. Usually, the case is on hold until the arbitration question is determined because you need to know if the Judge or arbitrator(s) will hear it and decide motions,etc. Rams/NFL want arbitration because it is private and does not allow the Plaintiffs to do extensive discovery - theoretically the Plaintiffs could depose every owner about the relocation process. If arbitration question is decided, the parties will now move into a pleading phase where the Rams, among many other possibilities, may seek to have the case moved out of the city or to have all or part of the case dismissed. These cases get expensive for Plaintiff's lawyers because the lawyers front all of the costs including lawyers salaries, paralegal salaries, experts, investigators, depositions, etc and can only recoup those costs if they win. I don't think Blitz's firm will have a problem but small or solo firms that heavily invest in the "Big Case" that ends up a loser often do.
Thanks for your excellent input.
One correction. There are two other pleadings (beyond binding arbitration) that have been settled. The defendants initially plead to have the suit thrown out for lack of merit (or similar.) Judge rejected this. Then defendants plead for a change in venue from STL City. Again, judge rejected. I believe one or both of these pleadings were appealed to State of Missouri and rejected.
There may have been a third pleading (memory escapes me) with mixed decision from judge. Bottom line: the defendants have lost time and time again, including recent SCOTUS rejection of the stay. It’s time for this to get interesting.
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5 hours ago, Duff Man said:
re: the Chargers
My read is that some in the NFL power structure have "workshopped" the idea of sending the Chargers to STL as part of the settlement (kill 2 birds with 1 stone), but that's unlikely to happen based on Dean Spanos recent comments and also the fact that there's really no money for a new stadium which the deal would hinge on (even when the lawsuit windfall comes, I doubt that money would go to a new stadium).
Duffman, sorry meant to also address your last phrase.
Whether plaintiffs would want money for new stadium is a good question. If their true objective is a team vs cash, then yes they would use money for stadium and likely negotiate more cash for other purposes.
Trying to learn the plaintiffs’ true objectives is my #1 question.
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Clock, absolutely correct. I'll go one further. The biggest problem with the Crews hire is that it violated one of the University's two key strategies in the building of a Top 50 program: a top-flight coach. This is all about recruiting. Kids want to come play for high-level coaches. I know nothing about the behind-the-scenes deliberations on this. But Rick Majerus vs Jim Crews? No one would describe Jim Crews as a top-flight coach in any imaginable metric... nor find him comparable in most any way to Majerus. And said in most basic way, if you asked 100 top recruits if they'd rather come play for Rick Majerus or Jim Crews, how many would you guess would say Crews? There's your answer. As you say, end of story.