Billiken75 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 The mantra has been that the remaining scholarships would be for power forwards or center. With the glaring problem with shooting - and on his post-game show, Brad indicated that not having a consistent outside shooter, is his fault and his recruiting. So do we go after a Juco shooter, to free up Ian next year? Do any unsigned local seniors fit that role? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzzah Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 I hope not. A freshman is not going to come in and fill that role unless he is a Larry Hughes type. Juco's will not fill that role their junior year. Remember Maurice Jeffers. His junior year he looked average. His senior year he had the NBA looking at him. I think we should work with what we have. Lisch, Liddle, Polk need to work over the summer on perimeter shooting. Also what about Luke Meyer. Why was he over looked last nite? What has happened to Brown? Last year he looked great; this year he looks befuddled. I think the answer lies in patience, we are a young team, improvement of perimeter defense, and working w/ the talent we have. What we saw last nite was a senior team vs what is essentially a freshman-southmore squad. We did a good job. We have a chance for the NIT. Quite an accomplishment for this young team. One other thought; look @ the difference in IV this year. It can and does happen. Marquis Perry was a go to guy by his senior year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 I think we adjust ..... there is a call on here that JJ could be okay. I don't make that call but if there are those that do and they have that conclusion, so be it. Plus, you have to somehow count Obi into the PF mix next year. So maybe we do go with a shooter. Maguire is in the fold but until he plays a year ... who knows if he is the answer. Right now, I'd say yes .... coupled with the possibility that JJ can do added with Obi and that Ian and Bryce are the centers next year as this. The second added item is that our guards .. DP, KL, DB, LM and TL .... all go out and shoot forever in the gyms over the summer and get more comfortable. And I'm not saying it has to be all three pointers. The workings of a offense are dependent on having all or most of the parts .... we have an inside presence right now, we probably have a pretty decent penetration option in either TL or DP. We need the ability to knock down the 12 to 19 footer to open up the interior and make folks play us all over the court. Of course, the skilled arts of basketball are dying in this ocuntry. If not the JUCO ranks, maybe Ian has an immobile, 6'5" Lithuanian friend out there somewhere. Sarunas Zukauskas. Known as "Dead-Eye" or "The Lights Out Lithuanian." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 I would sign the best pure outside shooter and the best inside man we can find, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billinikens Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 I would hope that Brad believes Maguire is that guy, otherwise I don't know why we'd offer him. I've watched him play at Edwardsville and he's definitely not an inside force. If he can't shoot the lights out, I wouldn't have used a schollie on him. I think we need to add another athletic big. DavidNark makes a good point in another thread that Brad thinks he can turn the guards loose now to run, yet we stifle ourselves by playing our "pack" style of defense. Getting athletic bigs that we can trust to man-up without help will help us extend our defense to create space and running opportunities. Lastly, I don't subscribe to the theory that freshman can't contribute right away (not in the modern game at least). The time for that game has past. Nowadays players need to have at least one facet of the game they can fill a role with right away. They can work with Brad to fully develop the rest over the course of their 4 years. TL was expected to be a player that can create his own shot and get to the hoop, he has done just that. KL was expected to play outstanding defense at the very least and most expected a well-above average shooter. He has done the former and the latter is coming along, although he's behind expectation right now. Both are good examples of players contributing a particular strength to help the team and will be expected to develop a well-rounded game as time goes on. Maguire is expected to do nothing other than shoot the deep ball and he should do so from day one. If he can't, I'm not sure why we would bother with him...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tseugnekillib Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 While a number of posters were unhappy when SLU didn't fill all four of its scholarships in the Fall....now you know why they just didn't sign three bodies to fill the scholarship limit and to make a few fans happy! With the 2005 non-conference season behind us, SLU's coaching staff now has a better idea of what might be needed to improve our roster for 2006-2007. Perhaps they are now thinking....that a scoring PG, or a scoring SF, is what is needed. Our games in Jan and Feb will clarify this picture. In the meantime, SLU's recruiting assistants can concentrate more on the juco scene, or the prep school scene, over the next three months. If somebody on the current roster doesn't jump up and score some perimeter points in the conference games....I wouldn't be surprised if SLU added a juco PF and a perimeter juco scorer in the Spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 TBill - if they are just now targeting recruits based on what you said, they missed the train about a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tseugnekillib Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 cheese....SLU has been following the juco scene since this past summer, starting with the Mullen's camp in Oklahoma, and the juco jamborees in October. It's more a matter of a school finalizing what its (position) needs are, and you really don't know that until after your Oct-Nov pre-season practices and Nov-Dec games and maybe later. I had a D1 coach tell me he does get serious with a juco recruit until he knows the prospect passed the Fall semester at his juco. It's not as late as one may think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltiedave Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 It takes two years to develop a high school shooting guard into a 35% 3 pt DI college guard. Check out all the stud college shooting guards OUTSIDE of the top two/three high school guards each year, and you'll notice this. We actually have three things that are not working... 1) We have a PF who cannot score on a consistent basis. 2) As our slasher, Tommie cannot consistently hit the open 12-18 footer on the wing, or else he doesn't feel comfortable taking these open shots. I don't think he's taking enough shots myself. 3) Our underclass guards can't hit a frickin three. They can't even hit the ocean from any distance. Count on Ian taking 15 foul shots a game until we have a shooter develop some confidence this year. Ian will have plenty of 4-10 from the field nights, as everyone will double team him and cycle people in to hack him every play of the game. BTW, anyone who states that Polk is our shooting guard, or that JJ is our three point specialist, is not in their right mind as a bball analyst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzzah Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 First I think Brad has done a great job recruiting. We have went back to local, we have done honest recruiting, the results look good, and the future looks great. I posted on the problem w/ juco recruiting on this board just prior to the Hawaii game, so I won't repeat. However, we have trouble qualifying jucos and they generally have a rough first year, so recruiting one is not a panacea. Regarding another point made above, basketball has changed, I agree. Freshman capable of being a go to guy the first year go to the NBA. Remember Roland Grey, Scot Highmark and Erwin Clagget, and currently IV and how they changed and developed in the years after they were freshman. All I am saying is Brad should recruit wisely, as he has done, and not sacrifice a scholarship on a person to produce immediately unless he has this luxury. What Brad says on a post game interview, after a loss, does not necessarily reveal what he thinks after a careful analysis. I think our freshman and sophomores look good and next year will be a break out year for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Valid point TBill - I hope you are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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