disgruntledbilliken
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45 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:
no but i worked full time as a laborer at a water plant and commuted to college with an hour drive both ways my entire slu time and went to school from 8 am to 10 pm on my days off, Tuesdays and Thursdays. that is what i had to do to win and i did it. i missed out on most of the college fun time stuff, but i've more than made up for it in my post college life.
Dear Roy,
It sounds like you worked incredibly hard during your college years. More than most, for that matter. It also sounds like that hard work paid off, and that you have done well for yourself. I'm glad that you were able to work your way into a good life.
No one, and I mean no one, is trying to take that away from you.
Best,
Disgruntledbilliken
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Here are my thoughts on the matter, which are informed by time teaching high school and now at the college level:
First, I'll lay out my thesis: The decision to make the ACT/SAT optional will have a negligible impact on the "quality" of students at SLU (or at other universities for that matter).
I have taught a wide variety of bright (and not-so-bright) students. Some students demonstrated their intelligence through insightful comments during class discussion or on their essays. Some (certainly not all) of my best writers/thinkers did quite poorly on multiple choice exams. I had other students who received perfect or near-perfect scores on exams, and I expected them to be top of the class in other ways as well. However, when I would read their writing, I would realize the while they were good at regurgitating information, they weren't able to think beyond the surface. Surely, I also had students who were able to do it all. The students that can do it all (either because they are unusually gifted and motivated or because they got a little bit of a head start because of their background) will be fine. If they want to go to SLU, they will go to SLU. To this point, most SLU students are in this category. Yes, we aren't a school like Wash U that can gets their pick of perfect applicants. However, students who want to go to SLU know what they have to do to get in, and generally have the means to make it happen if they aren't naturally gifted.
My reading is that this decision is most relevant for students who 1) Have strong GPAs, extracurriculars, recommendations, etc, but have low test scores OR 2) Have very strong test scores but are lacking in another aspect. If you are in the first category, you now have the opportunity to not submit a poor score. This means nothing, of course, without having a strong application in every other way. Likewise, if you are in the second category you can show a school that even if you either dicked around in HS or if you had to work to help you family make ends meet and that impacted your GPA, there is some metric out there that shows that you have some of the skills required for college, especially at an academically rigorous institution like SLU.
Look, I don't think that standardized test scores are totally useless. I think they can tell us some things while simultaneously hide other things. Yet we get so wrapped up in thinking that the way things have been for us are the best way to do them, and any change will lead to "decline." There are plenty of idealistic reasons for why getting rid of the ACT/SAT requirements is a good idea. There are also plenty of idealistic reasons for why keeping the ACT/SAT requirement is a good idea.
There are plenty of ways to "make it to the top." You can be incredibly naturally intelligent. You can be not-so-intelligent but incredibly dilligent and hard-working and make up for your weaknesses. You can be rich and well off and buy your way in (either through things like legacy or through buying a good education and test prep). At the end of the day, I don't think any of that changes.
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People get their panties in a bunch over the weirdest things. It's simple:
- If your kid sucks at AP physics (or one of the other really difficult HS courses in STL, LOL!) and needs validation, take the ACT/SAT.
- If you can afford and you value test scores, take the ACT/SAT.
- If you dicked around in HS and want to show your abilities in a way other than GPA, take the SAT/ACT and write a good essay.
This is really not "the dumbing down of America."
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1 minute ago, SLURadioBoy said:
If this really is a finalist list, I’m truly surprised SLU isn’t on it. I was recently told that SLU had a really good shot to get him. Either this really isn’t a list of finalists or my source really misread the situation.
I'm not "in the know," but if I get anything from looking at this list it's that 1) Nesbitt wants to go away from home for college. 2) wants to go to a big school.
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27 minutes ago, Old guy said:
Well courtside, I just hope and pray you get it, progress all the way into ventilation, and gracefully become one more death statistic among the 80+% who don't make it out of ventilation. This will allow you to die in peace knowing that all of your learned thoughts and information were absolutely true and correct. If nothing else you will know you were right. Make sure you refuse all unproven and dangerous medications in your progression to ventilatory support. In fact, make sure you write this down as part of your living will. And don't worry if you miss the first wave there will be a second wave, and a third, and umpteenth waves coming shortly, you will have plenty of chance to achieve your goal of Posthumous Rightfulness.
I know what a heavy burden you carry upon your shoulders, being right is such an enormous load to bear. It is only made more burdensome by the duty to call everyone else who does not agree with you whatever you wish to call them. Such a load to bear.
You're an actual piece of sh*t.
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Im a grad student at a large flagship public university in the Midwest (thankfully, not Mizzou). While nothing is official, the chair of my department said that based on his conversations with university administration, "it is a good prediction that at least half of the fall semester will be remote."
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2 hours ago, billiken_roy said:
i am not saying that players going to prep schools or high schools that are more basketball factories are incapable or deficient in academics. i am saying those "institutions" choose to emphasize basketball instead of academics just getting by with the minimum academic focus to be considered a school. not knocking the player, i dont like those institutions.
But doesn't the same dynamic play out for most athletes at most (if not all) D1 basketball programs? I'm thinking here about all of the missed classes, "ghost classes" (ala what UNC got in trouble for, but certainly doesn't only happen at UNC), etc.
Let's say we have a basketball player--we will call him Tony Smith. Tony decides to go to one of these "baseketball factories." His whole day is organized around basketball. He takes a few easy classes so that the "school" does just enough to justify their position as a "school."
Tony Smith then gets an offer from Average Joes State University (or maybe we can it Midsize Midwestern City Catholic U). His days is organized around basketball. He takes a few easy classes to justify his position as a student. There online courses that are developed for him and other athletes. He is given extensions on assignments to work around his schedule. He misses classes a lot due to his schedule, and they due just enough to pass his courses. What really is the difference?
Granted, the overwhelming majority of students at the university are there to study. However, the experience of the basketball player is overwhelmingly centered around basketball.
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3 hours ago, billiken_roy said:
what a b.s.article. while reading keep in mind not one american died from the chinese flu virus prior to February 29th. no way the libs would have stood for any mandates, emergency spending bills, etc at that point.
Wait, you do understand that the very basic idea that the fact that the first American Covid death was recorded on Feb. 29 does NOT mean that "not one american died from the chinese flu virus" prior to that day, right?
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2 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:
you sure are disgruntled
Yes, I do get disgruntled by racist a**holes
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37 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:
i think a lot of us believe the opposite. Tuesday night it was mentioned on the news that the number of pneumonia and flu deaths are strangely on pace to be far under what they normally are annually. my guess is that they are being labeled as chinese flu virus deaths instead of pneumonia or flu deaths.
Didn't you have some come to Jesus post a few days ago where you recognized your role in the craziness of this thread?
And yet here you are with your racist bull****. At this point, it is common sense that calling it the "chinese flu" or anything of the like is absolutely racist, and yet here you are showing your colors.
Didn't you say you've considered leaving the board? Maybe you should. One of your posts said you received a PM from another board member who convinced you to come back after a hiatus. Maybe if I PM you I can convince you to leave and never come back?
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15 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:
you're the one that claims to be "disgruntled"
It's a message board username. Again, a walking/talking meme.
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4 hours ago, billiken_roy said:
you are correct. because from a child forward i was taught to take care of myself and be independent and not look for people to do for me. if i needed more, i worked harder, made myself better and put myself in positions to get better jobs with better benefits and more money.
L Ron Hubbard said, "if you want milk, dont sit on a stool in a pasture and expect a cow to come along and back up to you".
us deplorables go get it. the elite deep state wants it all just given to them.
You're probably too old and miserable to "get it," but you're quite literally a walking, talking meme.
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10 minutes ago, SLURadioBoy said:
I hope Jamall Walker was the assistant recruiting Nesbitt for Illinois. I just saw he’s leaving Illinois to join Bryce Drew at Grand Canyon.
Woah, Bryce Drew is at Grand Canyon? What a fall from grace!
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42 minutes ago, Old guy said:
Now, rgbilliken you are a chemist and a pharmaceutical researcher. Are you also an interpreter of the FDA thinking and intention rationales, or do you have a statement from the FDA saying what you just said?
45 minutes ago, Old guy said:Lordy! you are full of yourself are you. Tell me please, not yet MD, what branch of medicine are you going into? Of course with the graduation coming soon, you are already accepted to some kind of residency program, correct? What is your choice of medical branches or specialties if you prefer?
Do you get off on being a jerk to everyone?
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26 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said:
DUDE, THAT IS A FLAT OUT LIE!!!! HE NEVER SAID THE VIRUS WAS A HOAX, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE DEMOCRAT'S REACTION!!!!! why won't some of you leftists correct your brother's lies???? this is exactly what the President has been fighting since his election.....
A Washington Post reporter has apologized for and deleted a tweet in which she falsely claimed President Trump called the coronavirus a "hoax" during a recent campaign rally.
"My apologies for quoting the president out of context," said Amber Phillips, a reporter for the Post's "The Fix" political blogging team. "As The Washington Post’s Fact Checker makes clear, he called Democrats politicizing coronavirus a hoax. I have deleted the incorrect tweet."
Yes, you are right. I was not precise enough in my words.
Let's try this again. Here is my more precise and corrected post:
"Dude. The president literally said the reaction to the coronavirus outbreak was a Democrat hoax in late February, a month after the dates you posted earlier.
I don't quite care who you vote/don't vote for. I hope for good leadership so that people are healthy and things are solved soon. At this point you just look silly though."
Mmh. Doesn't make it any better.
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1 hour ago, BIG BILL FAN said:
so are you admitting that it was a lie to say he had his head buried in the sand when this first became a problem in our country??? it seems like the one who wants it both ways is you and other haters...there isn't an ounce of objectivity to your analysis..... today, we get news that the malaria drug treatments are showing positive results, based in part because of the President's push to investigate them, and yet the same posters still attack him????? it would be nice if people would actually get behind our President...but we all know that isn't going to happen....
Dude. The president literally said the coronavirus outbreak was a Democrat hoax in late February, a month after the dates you posted earlier.
I don't quite care who you vote/don't vote for. I hope for good leadership so that people are healthy and things are solved soon. At this point you just look silly though.
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No, fall/winter sport senior athletes should absolutely not get an extra year. Spring athletes sure, as they missed most if not all of their season (but I would extend this to all spring athletes, not just seniors).
There are bigger issues in the world. You got your 4 year college education through playing a sport. You played three full seasons and most of the 4th and it got cut a bit short due to a global pandemic. It be like that sometimes. It sucks but move on.
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On 3/27/2020 at 1:13 PM, Sheltiedave said:
This isn’t politics, this is recognizing that private industry and local hospitals cannot cope with this fight. We need the federal government to step up and hit a home run. We need the resources brought to bear, and that means millions of masks, tyvek, safety glasses, ventilators, etc.
We need doctors, nurses, and techs to be given their diplomas ASAP, and thrown into the fight.
There is a reason we have the NIH, CDC and numerous other entities that get billions of dollars. We need all of that federal assistance at the frontlines, identifying effective treatments, getting a dialed in vaccine, and killing profiteering.
Don’t throw out one side of the equation and then trot out the “we can’t talk about politics” , because it is the other side of the solution. If we want to have a season next year.
The virus has not mutated. And it is doing quite well in Australia and Malaysia, in the dead of summer. This is not a short term fix.
I hear you and agree. My post was sarcasm, not intended to make fun of you. I was poking fun at MBMs who freak out about others bringing up "politics" when someone states simple facts as you did.
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3 minutes ago, Sheltiedave said:
In order to competently fight this epidemic, we need a competent and fully engaged federal government to completely support our medical community with all its available resources. So far we have had the CDC, VP Pence, and now FEMA try to carry the ball. All have failed to be up to the task.
Fifteen cases to zero, with a slight detour. Ralph Kramden must be driving the bus.
kEeP PoLiTIcS OfF ThE bOaRd
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Can you imagine the blue balls that Dayton fans have right now.
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At least when we are an at-large next year we can say we have been to back-to-back NCAA tournaments.
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I'm really curious about what is read as "political" on this board. What sphere of life ISN'T political?
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3 hours ago, BIG BILL FAN said:
Nice diversion, you were asked about your crap Fox News comments....you are a typical, butt hurt liberal who has never got over the last election... mean while, you owe Roy and others an apology...
this is stupid. if it is this bad, let's all just stay in our homes and play solitare. no one works no one shops no one does anything.
snowflakes.
there are more people with the flu in nyc then this virus in america. where is the flu panic?
Using “snowflakes” really strengthens the “argument.” As for the rest of this post, read the 70 other posts that debunk whatever Fox News crap you’re trying to spread.
yOu ArE A tYpIcAL BuTt HuRt LiBeral.
One really wonders where that SLU education went wrong with comments like this.
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Charles Barkley was live on CNN just now calling for the suspension of the NCAA tournament.
Gordon
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You couldn't care less about him. And yet you clicked on the "Gordon" thread on a message board, clicked "reply" on said thread, and followed by typing out the things you don't like about this kid.