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I think this is what bothers me. The approach is taken with the idea of limiting any risk to human life. Life is being lost everyday without a vaccine. I doubt, based on at least some experience with watching the development of vaccines and clinical trials from a legal perspective, that anyone is taking risks to expedite the development of the vaccine. Ultimately, it would be nice if the president granted immunity to anyone developing the vaccines and allowed them to speed things up.

I have a question on vaccines. Why is it going to take 12-18 months? Or at least why does it have to take 12 months at all. From what I have read, we have 70 different vaccine options in development. I would imagine that we could get a statistically significant number of volunteers to take each of these vaccines. Assuming you could get individuals brave enough to test the vaccine and then be exposed. It is undeniable that people would die with this approach, but if it saves lives overall, wouldn’t the ends justify the means? My fear is that we are following stages and protocols because that is the law, not because it is the fastest and best means to save lives in this situation.

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Look, this is way over the top. OldGuy has made it clear on dozens of occasions that he is not a doctor. He basically went to Med School, but either didn’t finish, or moved into a non practicing role in medicine. Anyone who takes his opinion on chloroquine or on this disease seriously has only themselves to blame.

If you want to laugh, Future Man on Hulu is hilarious. It is a joke on all sorts of things, campy references. It is just really well written. A little bit raunchy, but still pretty smart.

“From the result of their blood survey, the German team estimated the death rate in the municipality at 0.37% overall, a figure significantly lower than what’s shown on a dashboard maintained by Johns Hopkins, where the death rate in Germany among reported cases is 2%.”

This is a good article: https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/09/999015/blood-tests-show-15-of-people-are-now-immune-to-covid-19-in-one-town-in-germany/

So, you are saying we need to be racist to people of European descent?

I am surprised you are still beating this drum. I mean, I think everyone gets it, it is a treatment that can be used. Doctors are aware of it and are using it currently. We will see what the outcomes are.

IHME projection has dropped to around 60,000.

I am pulling for Russell as our final schollie for the simple fact that I enjoy routing for the local kids. It has been really fun to watch Goodwin, Perkins, Yuri, Thatch, et al develop on the court. The other players are very fun as well, but the local guys are a two-fer, Slu and city.

It really was an insulting ranking. I think it really points out how little respect a Midwest team will get in an East Coast league.

OldGuy is Donald Trump.

Please don’t coddle this obnoxious behavior. The thread is about the Coronavirus, not a political soapbox.

“this is not the flu," Trump said. He said some executives with "great common sense" suggested that the U.S. "ride it out" and not do mitigation. "This is not to be ridden out." He is finally saying that we could have as high as 2.2 million fatalities, with no mitigation. https://apple.news/A1hKaWsvESdGOYlJukJV7lQ

It is actually unclear whether POTUS can call a draft without congressional approval. Sounds like something right up Trumps alley. He definitely has the ability to react in times of war. I have a feeling that if he can show that a draft is necessary to fight the infection, then the decision to hold a draft would be supported by the court system. Also, just think about how he can spin this if it gets denied in Congress, he would finally have an excuse that it was the democrats who were at fault for the virus continuing for another year.

I think this thread should move beyond the debate of whether we are in a mess, and focus on the outcome. I was wondering if anyone has thoughts on what is the best path after the coming peak? My personal theory would be to attack this virus head-on. For example, since we know the rate of hospitalization and ICU stays are lower for people at younger ages, then we could plan around attempting to inoculate younger populations. For example, the POTUS could declare this a war, and through conscription call up everyone from ages 18-40, and through a staged roll-out from 6/1/20 until 10/31/20, people could get war-time pay to stay at a military base for 5 weeks while they recover. Assuming we could limit the active participants to the estimated number of ventilators and have make-shift hospital wards, this might be a path which provides for the least loss of life as we shoot towards herd immunity. There are lot of other details to consider, but this is a basic explanation. I have not heard of this being considered by the government, and was wondering if this is something that is just impossible to achieve and why?

So, just to get things straight, you, old guy, and Roy all are arguing simply that the media reaction to the Coronavirus is overblown. I keep seeing the comparison to the Flu, which was used by POTUS to deflect the media frenzy in late February or early March. At this time, we have some rationale prognosticators who are specifically stating that the death toll on this virus could exceed 80,000 before May. Which would substantially exceed the Flu. We also know that the death toll will likely be much higher in the Fall and next Spring. Do you actually need to see the deaths to admit that maybe the media was not overreacting? Also, if you want to defend the POTUS, you would be better off trying to rationalize his response. Such as, he was just trying to keep the populace calm before we get hit by an asteroid. I don’t think it is rationale to act like he has done a terrific job. You basically have to just hang your hat on the idea that it was someone else’s fault (Like the CDC, etc.) or that it was completely unavoidable. That said, it feels like a pretty weak argument from my perspective. https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

A week ago on the 23rd, I read an article claiming that 500,000 people had the Coronavirus. It seemed a bit high, so I stress checked with basic analysis. Here it is for all of you: 593 deaths, with the average rate of death at 1%. So, as of the time these individuals contracted the disease, there were at least 50,000 people with the disease. Right? So, then I looked at how long it takes for this disease to kill. 21 days is listed in at least 1 source. However, I decided to use a more conservative 15 days as a nice guess for an average (if someone wants to look this up, feel free). Then I estimated the growth rate, which no one truly knows, though there is a lot of information thrown out and available. Unchecked, the virus could grow at >25% (doubling every 3 days). I felt like this was too high for my calculation, so I used 15%, which I have seen on the lower end of growth. Sure enough, using my conservative calculations, I came up with 400,000. That is pretty scary. Using the higher numbers, the totals are too unbelievable. Please let me know if something is obviously wrong with this approach.

If true, then it is understandable. That said, I liked him as a player and wished things worked out for him better. Regardless of anything, he appeared to be a good teammate, and was part of a great culture this year. I hope for the best for him.

Because... umm... .we are going to the Final Four next year. Would have gone this year too.

Alford is a perfect example. Former point guard from a national power. He did great at Missouri State. Used it as a means to get a good job at Iowa. Was at a job where he was always compared with an Iowa legend in coaching. Got run out after doing some really impressive things, but ultimately did not live up to the imaginings of his predecessor. Went to New Mexico State where he resurrected a program and made it a national power! SHOULD HAVE STAYED and finished out his career in pride. Great fit, just like at MSU (ie. SMSU). Instead, he chased glory at UCLA and basically got burned. Now he is back to rebuilding, and it may not work this time. Does anyone on this board think things would work out for Ford at Kentucky? I don’t. He is a good coach and maybe even great, but it also just feels like the stars are aligning for him in St. Louis. Like he cannot go wrong here. Hopefully he can see that as well.

I have the same feeling today as I did during the game. With Jimmy Bell improving, we create such difficult matchups that we can slam a top 15 team against the ropes, even when we are not hitting our layups. Yuri Collins looks like he fully arrived last night. TJ Hargrove made some good plays. I think that if we rebound and beat Davidson, we could rip off an undefeated streak till we head to Dayton. A strong inside game with good defense is the most consistent way to win in basketball. If we can use that to power thru the rest of A10 play, we can still make the tournament.

Anyone who blames Ford for this game is ridiculous. Just remember that many of the same people would question Majerus as well. Every single comment on the board sounds great in a vacuum, but if you really focus on the decisions made in the game, Ford made good and logical calls.

Really proud of the team. It is always tough to bounce back from a loss. These guys are having to establish themselves in the conference. I think they will go up from here. Impressed that Ford could hold them together through this game. Impressed he has the guts/intelligence to limit 3 point shooting, to force the team to win on its strengths. I hope they will get their shooting stride, as they move forward, in conference.