billiken_roy Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 like i said, they have no quality starters that are better than billiken starters. i hope you arent basing any tiger talk on beating that worthless team. my gosh, their power forward is a 6'1" aj moye! if you look at indiana's record, they have only one win vs a top 100 team. michigan. otherwise their win totals is all about worse teams than st louis played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 i'll say they finally lived up to the hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 The discussion doesn't center on whether or not they're better than SLU, whether or not they're a quality win or not- it's whether or not they will be better than SLU in rpi come season's end. It is my contention that they will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 I'll say they're a 7 seed, and hopefully we'll see you in the tourney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 i wont argue that is possible. however, the billikens actually have a better chance of rising above indiana than you think. remember the big ten is far below cusa right now, thus for remaining schedule, the billikens probably will play the tougher rpi rated schedule. if you have been following this board, i have been complaining about our buy games all year. however, my point about actual matchups is valid. i would love to have a crack at the likes of iowa, indiana, or oklahoma this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 i will of course remind you that they were reputed to be a sure thing final four team by most tiger fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 I totally agree with you about the matchups. I think that there are a lot of teams above both slu and mizzou that both teams could beat handily. That's why I say that rpi is not the end-all be all in tournament selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 i hate the rpi as well. however it is a fact it drives the selection committee. too much history tells us that no matter what they say, it is most of the at large decision maker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 Some times you're dissapointed. It wasn't just tiger fans predicting them to do well. They're underachieving. They've been playing better lately, so we'll see how it goes. Any seed can make it to the final 4: we almost did it as a 12 seed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 That's very possible. I don't doubt that a top 50 rpi looks great come selection day- but i don't think they discount past good teams with average rpis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 to be honest after watching most of the tiger games this year, i am not sure they are underachieving. they have a lot of stars, but they have way too many holes on thier roster. $nyder's roster thinking is idiotic to be kind. 3 power forwards and 4 wing guards make up their top 7 players. did he forget there are other positions? if they were playing in some kind of hoop it up 3 on 3 league they would be quite the foe. but as it is, it is too easy for the opposing coaches to zero in on their position unbalance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 what do you think is an average rpi? anything above 40 is on the bubble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 I think it's more likely we're underachieving. That was our lineup last year and we did alright. Rickey Paulding is just now turning it on, Johnson lost his mid range shot, gardner and kleiza don't get nearly enough minutes, laurie isn't confident in his shot... There's a lot of confusion on the court. the past 3 games they've looked better though, so I'm hoping we're turning it around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 say Duke somehow ended up with an rpi rank of 52 or so...I don't think they're NIT bound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketbill Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 You are right by example of....The only at large berth last year to go to the NCAA was North Carolina State....at 53, however they made it because of getting to their conference tourney and having a winning record in the regular season conference. However you are wrong by example....North Carolina ended up 17-15 a RPI of 52 and did not get to go to the ncaa tourney......Moreover 40 does not always get you in, as UNLV sat home alone on prom night last year with an RPI of 40 for interesting perspective, check out Kenpom.com he has the past years listed and the teams that made it are higlighted. just on point of contention with tour posts....stick to the RPI as your barometer for the "respectability of wins" rankings are arbitrary at the beginning of the season, as we have seen with Mizzou and Oklahoma's fall from the top 25. Roy is correct as for how the NCAA does things, rankings do not matter......RPI does.....despite its flaws....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 moofan said, "Most people in St. Louis probably wanted to hear about the Tigers #5 seed in the tourney over the billikens dissapointing end to a marvelous run. It depends on what's a "hot story" at the moment." that is the whole point of our general b!tch. the media doesnt focus on the correct story. casual fans are like sheep for the most part. they will read and believe what is put in front of them and then follow what they are told. they were told last year that the billikens were no good and not to be taken serious and they believed it and didnt support the team. that is why it is important that the media "cheerleads" accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 if duke ends up with a 52 rpi, they indeed would be on the bubble at at best get the last seed of the at large teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 i think over the last 10 years, a 40 or better rpi has not gotten a team in about 10 times. and one over that becomes very unstable and the criteria becomes far more inconsistent. that watermark is one i have pulled out of the air after watching this stuff play out over that time period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 Well, until that run towards the end of the season, what had the bills done to warrant the kind of support you're asking for? It'd be like trying to rouse support of casual fans for mizzou right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 they were no where near the losers that the press and the electronic media made them out to be. they didnt deserve near the treatment they have received as of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 Well, this could be because i'm not so rabid a follower- but I (as a "casual" slu fan) didn't hear much bad from the media about slu. Dissapointment was more evident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketbill Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 they would have to tank.....which is what the NCAA would look upon unfavorably. However NC St. finished strong and was rising. looking over the last few years 8 or 9 (8-3 or 7-4 over the next eleven games) losses or less and we may very well be in....iIF our sos ends up below 60 in rank...... I will be interested to see what happens to our SOS as we start to play these better teams in our conference. If U of L continues to play well our SOS may actually go up despite a loss.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 The point is not that I expect the media to be cheerleaders - sorry Roy - but that the coverage should be proportioned to the fact that we are the hometown team. Somebody could say that there are lots of transplanted New Yorkers in St. Louis but never would I expect the media to talk about the Yankees or Mets before the Cardinals. That is my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTGR Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 I haven't perused this board in some time. It's nice to see that Mizzou is still a hot topic of conversation among SLU fans. As usual, the topic is started by a SLU fan. The Missouri obsession never ends. One possible positive of SLU doing relatively well and Quin Snyder going down in flames, is maybe Soderberg will be a candidate to replace Snyder if SLU keeps winning. I haven't seen a Mizzou team play solid defense since Stewart left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 i would like to think that coach soderberg has to much moral backbone to ever sell his soul to the devil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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