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    Fall 2017 allegations against unnamed players (aka Situation 2)

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    I walked Chris May on campus a few minutes ago. He was talking on the phone using headphones and I overheard him say “I’m leaving Thursday and won’t be back til Saturday. I’m not even staying for the games.” 

     

    Not It sure where he’s going, not that it has any real relevance, but he looked like such a tool talking on the phone with headphones on. And I just thought I’d share how much he annoyed me.

    Fall 2017 allegations against unnamed players (aka Situation 2)

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    Appears a decision is final, don't know what it is. Received this a minute ago at 8:43am :  

     

    Saint Louis University has concluded the Title IX investigation that began on Sept. 2, 2017. The parties have been notified of the final decisions, which were determined by an Appeal Panel. With the notifications to the parties, these cases are closed. Throughout this Title IX investigation, the University followed its Sexual Misconduct Policy.

    2017-2018 Predictions League - Main Thread and Standings

    in Billikens.com Main Board

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    Round 12 standings:

     

    Player R10 R11 R12 Total
    Total Possible 16 15 15 237
    1) Quality is Job 1 14 12 9 180
    2) Taj79 14 13 9 174
    3) Zink 12 10 7 172
    4) The Wiz 13 11 9 171
    5) BillsBeliever 9 12 10 170
    6) wgstl 11 13 7 169
    7) Littlebill 12 12 7 168
    8) Cowboy 10 12 8 166
    9) Pistol 13 7 8 165
    10) Drkelsey55 6 14 7 164
    slufan13 13 9 8 163
    Philliken 11 11 5 160
    TheGrandLife 12 8 7 157
    BigMouthBilliken 7 6 7 153
    sluhomer   13   150
    615Billiken 8 10 9 148
    JMM28 13     146
    Slubillikens43       125
    MattyMo213 11     125
    BllikenFan_Dan       101
    Nicoloj       99
    RiseAndGrind       90
    tarheelbilliken 11 1   73
    Gobillsgo       66
    Billikens747       45
    johnbj4       35
    Basketbill       34
    dannyb334       34
    Rgbilliken       27
    Mccallan18       15
    Waldo027       13
    Billikenfan05       13
    mrjoelabs       12
    Billiken4life5       0

    Fall 2017 allegations against unnamed players (aka Situation 2)

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    13 minutes ago, majerus mojo said:

    Let’s take a break from post limits and ignores and get back to what we do best: analyzing social media!

    Just noticed JGood changed his twitter avatar recently. Is this photo a.) A great S2 troll job, b.) The greatest S2 troll job, or c.) None of the above 

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    Discuss! 

    Lol, this is the best troll job. However, is this good or bad news that he is so brazen about it??

    SLU Story about exceeding fundraising targets -- PR Strategy

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    We are turning into crazed conspiracy theorists. Yes, your theory is plausible. But probable? I don’t believe so. 

    While the basketball program is an important part of any university, I really don’t think it gets as much attention/energy from the university as we would like to think it does. 

    I think if you look at any move made by the university through the lens of S2/basketball, you can come out with countless different scenarios and theories about the rationale behind it. I don’t think the university operates with S2 in mind to the extent that we think about it. To me it is just as probable that this story would have come out with or without S2 in the background. 

    Round 14: Monday February 5-Sunday February 11

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    On 2/2/2018 at 1:49 PM, 615Billiken said:

     

    Predictions due Tuesday February 6:00pm CST

     

    1. MISSED MY OWN GODDAMN DEADLINE AGAIN!

    2. Duquesne @ Dayton

    3. George Mason @ Fordham

    4. LaSalle @ George Washington

    5. Saint Louis @ St. Bonaventure

    6. VCU @ Richmond

    7. Davidson @ Rhode Island

    8. Fordham @ Duquesne

    9. George Washington @ George Mason

    10. Richmond @ St. Bonaventure

    11. Massachusetts @ St. Joseph's

    12. Dayton @ VCU

    13. LaSalle @ Saint Louis

     

    2017-2018 Predictions League - Main Thread and Standings

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    Round 11 Standings:

    Player R8 R9 R10 R11 Total
    Total Possible 9 16 16 15 222
    1) Quality is Job 1 8 8 14 12 171
    2) Zink 7 10 12 10 165
    2) Taj79 8 11 14 13 165
    3) The Wiz 7 9 13 11 162
    3) wgstl 4 10 11 13 162
    4) Littlebill 5 10 12 12 161
    5) BillsBeliever 6 7 9 12 160
    6) Cowboy 6 11 10 12 158
    7) Pistol 6 11 13 7 157
    7) Drkelsey55 7 10 6 14 157
    8) slufan13 5 8 13 9 155
    8) Philliken 5 8 11 11 155
    9) TheGrandLife 5 10 12 8 150
    9) sluhomer 6 10   13 150
    10) JMM28 8 12 13   146
    10) BigMouthBilliken 6 10 7 6 146
    615Billiken 7 9 8 10 139
    Slubillikens43 4       125
    MattyMo213   10 11   125
    BllikenFan_Dan         101
    Nicoloj 7       99
    RiseAndGrind 6 9     90
    tarheelbilliken 8 9 11 1 73
    Gobillsgo         66
    Billikens747         45
    johnbj4         35
    Basketbill         34
    dannyb334         34
    Rgbilliken         27
    Mccallan18         15
    Waldo027         13
    Billikenfan05         13
    mrjoelabs         12
    Billiken4life5         0

    Uncle Tony

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    30 minutes ago, brianstl said:

    So is there some kind of test you have to take before you can try to rally potential allies to address an injustice that is occurring? 

    I don't see Tony trying to prop up a cause by leveraging BLM and Black History Month. What I see is someone trying to attract the attention of potential allies to a case of injustice. You even admitted you think race has played a part in this.  

    There is not test that you have to take to rally potential allies.

    Yes, I admitted it because I look at the the statistics analyzed in an article from The Atlantic and it does appear that racism, on the whole, does play a role in allegations of sexual assault. I simply ask myself this question: What is Tony's end goal? Then, I go to this twitter feed and find my answer in his first ever tweet:

     

    Never Thought I would see the day. I am setting up a Twitter Acccount because I am mad at Fred Pestello, the President at Saint Louis University. He needs to make a decision and let he suspended players play. From what I have heard, they are completely innocent!! @SLUPresident

    Then I think to myself: "Ah, ok, he wants the players to play", and the words he is using are tools toward this end. 

     

    Look, I am less interested in proving whether Tony Murkens is a BLM sympathizer or not. I am more interested in saying "Hey, it appears that we have a good case that the decision(s) by the administration have not been good ones on multiple fronts and I hope and wish this is being taken up in a serious manner rather than by a provocateur on twitter who seems interested in bringing in race for his own benefit rather than for true ideological conviction".

     

     

     

    Uncle Tony

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    13 minutes ago, brianstl said:

    At least one semi prominent African-American on campus has endorsed Tony's call for protest on campus.  

    That is all fine and dandy, and I hope that said person voices their concern(s) with the administration and if they feel strongly about help organize some type of formal protest or action. 

    My discomfort with Tony remains. My sense, based on reading his tweets is that he is leaning on issues of social justice not because he sincerely believes in their end, but because he sees them as an opportunity to prop up his own cause which in this case is a basketball team with all of its players. 

    Of course, 'my sense' is not a scientific threshold and there is no way to prove or disprove Tony's beliefs. He may very well actually and sincerely feel so strongly about Black Lives Matter and feel so fervently that Black History Month is an ideal time to reverse the punishment...but I don't believe that is the case.

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    Uncle Tony

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    Two things I concede:

    1) Tony is an entertaining character

    2) I get a satisfaction in seeing him say things to Pestello and the University that I would have no balls to say so myself on my public social media

    That being said, he may be doing more harm than good at this point. His e-mail to the university was representative of our frustration with the initial suspension(s) but was tone deaf, didn't really understand the cultural moment we are in, and can be easily caricatured by those who DO agree with the decision. Additionally, he has been tweeting a lot about Black Lives Matter and Black History Month and how the player's punishment should be reversed. While I do see underlining racism in this case, I think it is more harmful (and quite frankly, dangerous and disrespectful) than helpful for a white guy that only got a twitter because he is pissed off about his basketball team to be carrying the banner of BLM and Black History Month as it relates to this case. 

    Call me a snowflake, but I do think that while the Tony Murkens show began as a very funny and satisfying ordeal, it is now entering territory that I don't think is beneficial and is irresponsible. 

    I'm still unhappy with the University's handling of the situation and their decision, AND I think Murkens is showing some of his more misguided colors. The two things  happily coexists in my mind. 

     

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    Fall 2017 allegations against unnamed players (aka Situation 2)

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    4 minutes ago, SLU_Lax said:

    I just gotta laugh one more time about the Butt Hurt letter sent to the entire student body about how their whole survey was maliciously ruined.  They worked for an entire two years on it.  They even made sure to spell most of the words right and some of the questions even allowed you to claim you had never been sexually assaulted.

    Unfortunately they are the (oh so innocent) victims of a terrible act where their 100% open survey with no safeties to ensure people were not taking the survey multiple times (or posting it to a message board for others to take) was taken advantage of.  I mean...who could have foreseen this.  I guess they never heard the tale of the SS Boaty McBoatface. 

    It is just unbelievably terrible to me that after these mistakes, where they had a real concern about the survey (namely that the results were compromised - of course they cannot take responsibility for that) and they overshadow their concern with starting their email out with terrible lies/exaggerations about how important this survey was and how long they worked on it.  They are more petulant than a bunch of young teenagers and about as honest too.  Hard to take them seriously.

    It is absolutely ridiculous because EVEN if a student had not posted the survey on here, had just someone pointed out the fact that the link was public, the survey would have been invalidated any way. The problem was never that it was share on a message board, the problem was the link!

    BTW, sorry @billikenfan05 looks like @MattyMo213 is officially Mr. Billiken AND Mr. St. Louis 2018. Maybe you can be Mr. West County or something.

     

    Fall 2017 allegations against unnamed players (aka Situation 2)

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    6 minutes ago, JeffinMH said:

    I tried to explain the same in the same sort of way. It is a shame because innocent people get swept up in the current climate revolving around sexual misconduct.  I am sure SLU has legal exposure on its mind, especially from women's rights groups. Not to mention boycotts.  Mothers and Fathers want to send their children to schools where this sort of activity is not tolerated and it is reflected in the way this whole situation was managed. The best way to avoid these types of allegations is not to pursue these activities. Hypersensitivity is always dangerous ground in some way or another. 

    Can we not give credence to the Larry Nassar case having anything to do with that happened on campus. 

    Yes, currently cultural forces played a part in S2 decision, I'm sure.

    Larry Nassar case is totally different, is a horrible horrible case, and we should not be in any way associating it with S2 or the culture of not giving due process of those accused of sexual assault. 

    Justice was rightly served in the Nassar case, and I think we can make a clear distinction between a pedophile who used his position to molest young girls and viewed child pronography  and S2. They are in separate spheres and any way of trying to bring up the Nassar case as shining any light on the forces at work in S2 decision are misguided and frankly, make the board look like a parody to outsiders/administrators/journalists who might read the board to follow what is going on. 

     

    Please, let's not go here. 

    Fall 2017 allegations against unnamed players (aka Situation 2)

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    15 minutes ago, Old guy said:

    This is not about S2, but it directly refers to the current social and legal climate about issues involving sexual misconduct. Are you aware of the Larry Nassar saga? This guy was a gym Dr. that apparently had sexual misconduct with at least 150 of the girls in the Gym at Michigan State where he was employed. He pleaded guilty and just received a 170 year jail sentence, a life sentence. The president of Michigan State just resigned as a result of this scandal. These are facts and yes the guy was guilty, but I am sure that a review of similar prior cases that pleaded guilty would reveal much more lenient sentences. The current mode in the country is one of close to zero tolerance for sexual misconduct, and for taking the side of the females involved whether the allegation is real or even questionable. I am just saying open your eyes and look around at what is currently happening in this regard around the country and in the news.

     

     

    Respectfully to you @Old guy,

    The Larry Nassar case is the absolute worst case to try to bring in to this conversation. That case is one of child molestation and child pornography. That guy deserves everything he got, and I think though the word 'sexual' might be an overlap between the two cases, they are worlds apart. 

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