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2 minutes ago, cheeseman said:
Well if the baseball team gets money from the earnings of the football team then maybe yes
They'll get much less money if they get relegated. This idea, while interesting, would result in much more money being forced toward football than before. Right now, Vanderbilt probably puts a decent amout of money into its very successful baseball program. However, if giving baseball money that could be going to football might get them relegated, their baseball program will suffer and football will be elevated even more above the already too high pedestal it is on.
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14 hours ago, HoosierPal said:
Many years ago, players were allowed only to have numbers up to 5, with a second digit also up to 5. That allowed the refs to signal whom a foul was on with one motion of both hands. So a ref could signify 55 with both hands all digits up. No second indicator was needed. Now with numbers up to 9, that can't be done anymore.
I was always told that it was a time saver. The ref could signal the call from across the court to the scorers table and this allowed the game to continue much more quickly. Now, refs will have to be practically leaning over the scorers table every time they call a foul. I suppose that the NCAA isn't as concerned about keeping the game flowing as it used to be.
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1 hour ago, Lord Elrond said:
One other thing, what sport would control this? Right now, for example, the SEC has championships in all sports. Say a school (use Vandy for an example), is really bad at football, but middle of the pack in basketball. Do they get relegated out of the SEC based on their poor football performance, or stay in the SEC because they were at least average in basketball? You would have to have a way to consider the different sports, or you would have to have a different conference structure for every sport.
Yes, Vanderbilt baseball has been champions of the SEC 10 times. Should they be relegated just because their football team sucks?
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Can anyone give a breakdown?
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Looks like Ole Miss according to Stu Durando
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On 6/10/2023 at 8:05 PM, thatskablamo said:
A game Javonte Perkins didn’t need to be playing in with 4:44 left in the first half. I’m sorry, but that is indefensible. If he’s not in shape that’s on Ford as well. He doesn’t need an exhibition game to get his legs under him. If Perkins goes down at the jump ball in a game against Dayton, ok, that’s different. You can’t lose a guy like him in an exhibition game. That’s why you’ve got a 12 man roster.
Sorry, that's just not the way it works. Every college basketball team plays their stars in the exhibition games to get them ready for the season. That's the purpose of those games. We don't need to get the bench players ready for the season, we need to get the starters ready for the season. If college teams should sit their starters in exhibition games, then why have them.
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Two St. Louis kids at the same workout.
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3 minutes ago, Compton said:
Army and/or Navy occasionally sneak into the Top 25 in football. That's not by accident. Also, like any other school, nationally televised games, bowl games, high rankings, etc.... are great marketing and recruiting tools. They help get the next generation of heroes to defend our country in the door.
Agree. I just don't think they are going out of their way, like every other D1 school, to recruit and push for victories. They recruit leaders for the military first. If those chosen few happen to be athletes that help their sports teams, that is very much secondary.
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Chris Heinrich - I know he wasn't a star at the end, but he was looking like an uncoordinated, dud of a big when he arrived, and then finished his career with a spectacular performance against Kentucky in the tournament.
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7 hours ago, gabriel said:
I’m not coming at the US Army but that’s a ridiculous requirement. If they want to have D1 athletics then having to pay back scholarships for athletes who transfer has to be removed.
They don't want to have high level D1 athletics. They just want to train the next generation of heros to defend our country. West Point, the Naval Academy, and the Air Force Academy have sports just to liven the mood. Not a person at those institutions is worried about producing high level teams.
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15 hours ago, GOSLU68 said:
Perkins had a career ending injury and Travis Ford stuck by his Team- giving Jimmerson, Perkins and Yuri every minute they could walk on the court- they just did not perform to the level needed. Thus is a coach who sticks with his players.
I have had that same thought and wonder what it means overall for our program. Ford is very close with his players (invites them to his house, pushes the concept of Team Blue). This, I believe, has resulted in very few defections to the portal from our core players (Jimerson returning this year, Yuri returning last year, Perkins coming back, etc.). However, the other side of the coin of being uber close with your players is that he is also extra loyal to guys who stick with the program. Loyalty is, in general, a good attribute, but sometimes fans wish he wasn't so loyal. It is definitely a trade off.
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3 hours ago, TheChosenOne said:
My position would be that after 4 seasons of college basketball and nearing the age of 23, his draft stock was essentially what it was going to be. I am not aware of any prospect suddenly becoming a draftable player in their 5th season of college basketball. His draft stock was unlikely to improve. I could maybe understand the argument if he had been injured during his first two seasons at SLU, but that wasn't the case. His pros and cons as a prospect were known and could be seen. I think Perkins had limitations that prevented him from being a guy who would be drafted (same with Goodwin, French, and Yuri), but he should have followed the same path as Goodwin and begun his professional career trying to work his way into the league. The risk/reward was never there for him to return to college for a 5th season and that was the message that should have been delivered to him. Now, his future earnings have been tanked, really sad. I think if the coaches gave him advice that did not encourage him to at least be evaluated and hear from the NBA, they did not give him the advice he should have been given. As I recall he announced he would be returning prior to the end of the season, so he did not even go through the process. I don't think the coaches get a pass because a guy in his 6th year of college didn't return to his previous form.
I will concede that my thoughts today are different than 2+ years ago with NIL allowing guys to be paid. I now can understand the argument for a guy returning for a 5th season of college basketball if that gets him paid more than if he were to play in the G League, but again that is not because it is going to help his draft stock.
I guarantee, you were happy when he announced he was returning. To now throw the coaches under the bus for somehow ruining his pro career is very disingenuous. He had no shot at a pro career after his injury. Returning gave him a shot. That didn't pan out. So, he's back in the same place he was before deciding to come back. The coaches convincing him to return for a 5th season did not change anything.
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2 hours ago, JMM28 said:
Your speculation is correct. 500k, as of this year, should be an A10 championship caliber squad year in and out.
Based on what? Again, I admit, I am basing my conclusion on the chart that was posted showing that a top 50 NIL player would garner about $250,000. You could get two of those guys for 500K and then have no one else on your team, because they all transfer because your aren't paying them anything. My statements are based on the twitter post above.
Regardless, it doesn't matter what then numbers are. If you say 500K should by an A10 championship team every year, that's just not true if we cannot get guys to come here because Power 5 schools all have a million to spend. It's all relative to what they other guys have.
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3 hours ago, willie said:
Where did you come up with any of those numbers? You or somebody is just making them up. Unfortunately now that you put them out there they will now become gospel. My SPECULATION is that if we had 500k to spend you could do quite well.
Again, I heard it somewhere. It might have been the golf tournament. Also, based on the numbers shown in the text about how players are costing under NIL, $500k would not build you much of a team. This is probably because power conference teams have much more to spend.
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3 hours ago, JMM28 said:
This is a pretty good look at what the competition is doing. It isn't perfect data by any stretch, but it is getting to be useful.
SLU should have the ability to compete, with these numbers, at a P5/Big East level. Whether they do or not right now is a different story.
Didn't someone say that the BVF was anticipating having $450,000 to spread around. If that is the case, these numbers explain the downfall of the A-10 and, sadly, SLU. If it costs $50,000 to get a top 100-150 transfer, how does SLU make a competitive team on that? Also, how do we keep good players based on those numbers?
Where would GJ have fallen on that list? Would he have been a top 50 transfer? Maybe. That means it may have cost us $250,000 to keep him.
These numbers don't bode well for us.
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21 hours ago, TheChosenOne said:
I feel terrible for Perkins. The coaches selling him on returning to college and taking advantage of the free COVID year has ruined his professional opportunities and earnings potential. Really sad to see, but hard for me to let the coaches use him not returning to 100% as an excuse. With a straight face they sold him on the idea that taking advantage of his COVID year and playing a 5th season of college basketball at the age of 23 would somehow improve his draft stock. Now he is soon to be 25 still recovering from a knee injury. I really hope he gets fully healthy and is able to salvage a successful professional playing career overseas. Apparently Team Blue does not include the coaches giving honest advice that is in the best interest of their players, unfortunate their selfishness has had such a negative impact on the kid’s future. And then Yuri’s junior season we saw Ford regularly blame him for losses just completely throwing him under the bus. I didn’t get the sense he did that as much this season, but certainly not commentary you expect from a guy sold as a players coach.
But please, blame the message board for recruits not wanting to play for these coaches. Do right by the players and produce on the court and you won’t have to worry about this message board.
Hot takes on a Sunday.
The idea that he should come back one more year to (try to) improve draft stock was not incorrect. Do you think it was? Do you think he was going to be drafted into the NBA if he did not come back? The concept was correct. He just didn't excute. If he didn't execute because of his injury, that's just what it was, but don't blame the coaches for somehow ruining his pro career.
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15 minutes ago, cheeseman said:
I understand your point and do not necessarily disagree with it but the problem is that people are wanting everyone to donate to the BVF so Ford can have the money to buy who he wants and they want people to continue buying their season tix and they want people to still donate to the athletic department. SLU wants that also but they want to not have to listen to those who are not satisfied by simply saying everything is fine when it really may not be. My issue is why would I give money to the BVF fund when I may not have much confidence that Ford will use it effectively, I probably will continue to buy my season tix but not because I am happy with where we are but because I don't want to lose my place in line when the team does turn around a couple of years down the road. Will I continue to give to the athletic department, well that is a tougher call because once again I am not sure I want to give money to a group who may not use it properly but then again I still want to support the overall athletic program. As you can see keeping Ford for one more year to give him one more chance does make it a bit more complicated for some us.
I get it. My take is that I think we should all continue to support the program in whatever way we have and let the chips fall where they may. Whether that money helps Ford get us where we want to be or the next coach, it still helps the program overall.
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6 hours ago, NoCoBillsFan said:
Thank you for the kind words. The Ford debate has gotten so convoluted, I felt like we needed to get back to the roots of why there is so much criticism of Ford. Anytime I hear “bUt 20 wiNs” from now on, I’m just gonna point back to this post
You see how much I’ve disassociated from that game? Can’t even get the correct OVC school. Edited my post accordingly.
In an ideal world, I’d love for Thames to be a lockdown defender. He would be exactly what this team is missing. But since the beginning of the Ford era, how many guys went from only getting garbage time minutes on season to eventually contributing the next? The only guy I can think of is Demarius Jacobs. Would love for it happen, but it seems like a pipe dream imo.
The crazy thing about this argument that is happening is how insanely inaccurate both sides are in characterizing each other's opinions. As someone pointed out, no one who thinks Ford should be gone actually hates Ford. On the opposite side, it's getting very old hearing that people who think Ford should be retained (for now) are happy with 20 win seasons. We are not fine with 20 wins if that means not winning the A-10 and not making the tournament.
NoCoBillsFan's post was dead on. Neither side can disagree with anything he posted. I, personally, thought Ford should get one more chance. That doesn't mean I'm happy with the state of the team. I see everything NoCoBillsFan wrote and say "yes, we need to be better than that."
The team under Ford has not met the university's and fans' expectations. There have been some extenuating circumstances, but those cannot be used as excuses indefinitely. I think that most "Ford Supporters" will say its time for him to go if this season doesn't prove that we are on track with the expectations. Can't we just cheer for our team and know that we're all, nearly, in the same place about being upset with not being better right now, without the stupidity that has made this board nearly unreadable for several months?
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Just now, dlarry said:
I am all for athletes who work hard on the court and in the classroom. It’s great seeing guys stick around for four years and earn that diploma. I remember and respect those players more than anyone else.
With all that said I am ready for some hired guns. Lets use the NIL money to bring in some guys planning on going pro in basketball not in business.
But what if all of the power conference schools have three or four times as much money every year to use to hire their guns?
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5 minutes ago, ACE said:
I'm afraid there are major problems facing A-10 schools much more important than the commissioner, strength of schedule, etc. - The NET, free agent portal and NIL will unfortunately make the A-10 a one-bid league in most seasons going forward. Folks that were in favor of free agency were assuring us that the transferring between the A-10 and P6 would be neutral. That hasn't been the case the last few years and won't be going forward.
Couldn't, sadly, agree more. I really fear that free agency and NIL means that SLU is facing an uphill and maybe impossible battle. I've never been so worried about the future of our program and that has nothing to do with Ford or May. My concerns have to do with forces beyond anyone at SLU's control. Not sure how anyone can think that we can be the next Gonzaga when literally no one in the A-10 can keep its good players. The players A-10 teams are getting to replace the players leaving aren't replacing the quality of the players it is losing. I'm not sure that Gonzaga is going to be able to continue to be Gonzaga in a few years under the current rules.
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12 minutes ago, JMM28 said:
I was ready to post and say "Nah that isn't what they're doing it was just a picture of the dudes who graduated" but then saw that tweet. https://twitter.com/BillikenVFund/status/1655611453439717380?s=20
I get the thought process behind it - valuing an old roster/development/loyalty/etc while making it easier to recruit donors who say "we are going to pay Random PG 15k to come here what if he leaves after the year?"
But damn...that just...yeah...
That's not what the tweet says. Just because they say they are prioritizing returners on pace to graduate does not mean they are still paying former players. I would argue that their philosophy might be why GJ stuck around one more year.
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Inglorious Basterds - I know it's not historically accurate and alters history at the the end, but it's still fantastic.
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Wow. 23-7.
Fogarty is 5 for 5 with 6 runs scored. Has a walk, three singles, a double, and a home run. Also, throw in a stolen base. That's a heck of a day.
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1 minute ago, billikenfan05 said:
I'll feel comfortable after the 27th out.
20-7. Does that move the comfort meter?
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Walsh is a pure shooter. He will have high percentages in all categories.
When my daughter was in 7th grade, Luke was in 6th grade and they both participated in this free throw shooting competition that the Knights of Columbus run throughout the State of Missouri. I think it is for kids in 5th through 8th grades. They start at their school, then go to a district competition, then a regional competition, and then to the State finals in Columbia. Both Luke and my daughter made it to State that year. They ask for volunteers to shag the balls for kids as they take their shots. I was randomly assigned to help the 6th grade boys, so myself and another dad ended up collecting the basketballs when Luke was shooting. They get three warm up tosses and then take 25 shots. When it was his turn, he made all three warm-ups and then made 24 out of 25 of his official shots. So, basically, he made 27 out of 28 shots as a 6th grader with the pressure of competition and a championship on the line.