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10 minutes ago, Spoon-Balls said:
This was sent out in an email to all of the students today apparently:
Somebody has got to post this survey on Billikens.com. Do we have any undergrads that would be willing to screen shot this thing?
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Again, I'm talking about the federal court issuing an injunction against SLU, on a motion made by Rosenblum, that states that SLU cannot enforce its suspensions until a federal appeal of this matter plays out. I'm not referring to the Title IX appeals process that is currently occurring. Someone above referenced that an injunction would have to wait until SLU's Title IX appeals process played out, and I agree with that. You have to exhaust all administrative remedies before filing a federal appeal and before requesting an injunction. However, if the judge thinks that an injunction is warranted, they typically rule on it the same day or the next day from when it is filed.
My point here is that if SLU botched the process, the federal court can tell SLU it cannot punish the players until their appeal in federal court is complete. Therefore, if the players and Rosenblum get an injunction, it may allow Goodwin to continue to play for possibly another season while the federal appeal plays out. The appeal in the case of the kid from Cincinnati, referenced in the article above, took over a year. Ford and the Athletic Dept. can tell Goodwin that they will give him the ability to transfer if the suspension is eventually upheld, but only if he continues to play in the meantime. I think that he may be comfortable with that arrangement, but only if the injunction happens.
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9 hours ago, Compton said:
Unfortunately, even if the underlying facts are similar, an appellate court decision in the Sixth Circuit doesn't carry much weigh in the Eighth Circuit (where St. Louis is).
The decision doesn't carry any precedential weight, but the idea that these Title IX decisions can be appealed is procedural. Although each circuit has its own rules, concepts such as what is appealable and what is not should be consistent across circuits.
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If Rosenblum got an injunction allowing them to play while the appeal was happening. It happens all the time. All you need to show is some chance of success on appeal and that the punishment would result in irreparable harm to the players.
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Does no one care that our players may be able to continue to play during a federal appeal filed by Rosenblum? Or are we just in full out lamenting mode? This is appealable in federal court.
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By the way, I was wrong in my first post. The appeal would have to be in Federal Court, since Title IX is federal law.
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Not true. Read this article. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit agreed with a lower court judge who overturned a University of Cincinnati Title IX decision which gave a male student a one year suspension.
It appears that the suspension was handed down in early 2016. The 6th Circuit appellate court overturned it in September of 2017. I can only assume that there was an injunction in that case saying that the student's suspension was not to be enforced until after the appeals. If not, the appeal was too late.
The players in our case should be allowed to play until the federal appeal filed by Rosenblum is exhausted.
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Agree. This story may have been boring for the PD prior to this point, but a botched and possibly biased finding is just the sort of investigative story that sells papers. Hopefully, they realize this and dig deep.
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I would like to see Rosenblum appeal this decision in court after the Title IX process has concluded. In the meantime, I truly hope he heads over to the courthouse, finds a judge who is a friend of Billiken athletics, and gets an injunction that states that the punishment handed out cannot begin until all possible court appeals have been exhausted.
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3 hours ago, rgbilliken said:
Millenial age woman here from academia just here to say I would be very surprised if this statistic is accurate. Maybe they surveyed womens' studies majors, not scientists, though...
https://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/11/daily-chart-14?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/
This study has been cited in many other articles. Yes, 1/3 of all millennial age women think that a compliment about their appearance is sexual harassment. The world we live in now sucks. Thanks feminists.
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On 1/16/2018 at 10:59 AM, GoBills73 said:
In my lifetime, I will never get to the point where watching this clip gets old.
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I agree with Old Guy that there may not be any announcement. The three may just show up and start playing. The administration may muzzle everyone and tell them not to talk.
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Sarachan is 63 years old. He better be a great coach if you're only going to get him for so many years. He was head coach of the Chicago Fire from 2002-2007.
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12 minutes ago, slufan13 said:
Question that was discussed about a month ago when we all thought any normal administration would have had this wrapped up.....If the initial ruling is in favor of the players, should the players be allowed to play during the appeal process? I would say yes but interested in other thoughts.
I think that the clear answer is "yes." The answer to the question, should they have been allowed to play all along is also "yes." The real question is whether Pesty and Krafty (I like when someone used that to describe them above) will allow them to play. My guess is "no."
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I would really like to know who is responsible for the delays. I know we are all assuming who it is, but the answer will have a lot to do with my ultimate opinion of this. Is it the University, the attorneys for the accusers, or the attorneys for the players? It could also be a combination. I doubt that any requests for continuances of the timeline have come for the attorneys from the players, but you never know. I would love if someone could ask the attorneys for the players if they have requested any extensions, and, if not, have they been fighting against any extensions asked for by the accusers or the hearing officer.
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I like the idea of sending a message to get this wrapped up. I just don't know if "Free the Three" is the chant you want to use. What happens if information comes out later that makes you think that they should have been punished somehow. In the very first post on this topic, Cowboy said that the purpose was "intended to get the U to make a decision, either let them play or expel them or advise them of the status, but make a decision." If that is the purpose, then "Free the Three" seems like a one sided chant to use.
I want a decision also, but I also want the right decision. I would feel bad about chanting something that suggests these guys should go free if I later found out that they shouldn't.
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Just now, Tilkowsky said:
Jayson Tatum NEVER seriously considered SLU.
As a matter of fact I don't think he even had an official visit at SLU.
Oh, Lord. Compared to you, STL Hoops Insider definitely doesn't seem to be a troll. You piping in did more than I ever could to help him in that regard.
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On 12/11/2017 at 1:17 PM, STL Hoops Insider said:
At first it did annoy me a little being called a troll because I legitimately wanted to be accepted here and was just posting about players I felt were legitimate Billiken level recruits or D1 players of interest. I didn’t think that was trolling. However, now being considered a troll no matter what I post and having a post limit that often spans multiple days, I stopped caring what people think. I post in the game threads as a fan and speak my mind. Many of you are way too sensitive. We live in St. Louis where people are murdered every day, but you’re up in arms in protest of once in a blue moon Mizzou mention. Life is a lot harder than that.
So, I've defended you before, but you make it hard. What the hell does "Billiken level recruits" mean? We've signed two guys in consecutive years that were at or near top 50 level. A few years ago, we had a one and done guy who was a Top 3 recruit strongly consider us. If you think that there is such a thing as a "Billiken level recruit" then you are not a fan of this program like the rest of us are and claiming that you are is just pandering to us. People who are Billiken fans and come to this board to discuss the Billikens and issues surrounding Billiken fandom don't think that any recruit is out of reach. If you do, and writing and believing that there is such thing as a "Billiken level recruit" tells me that you do, then at least don't claim that you are a Billiken fan. Just admit that you are a fan of the local basketball scene, that you want local players to have success, that you would prefer that they have that success at a local college, and that you think that the best players from the area should go to Mizzou or elsewhere. If you did, at least we'd all understand where you are coming from instead of this continuous, strange argument over whether or not you are truly a Billiken fan or a troll.
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On 12/15/2017 at 1:53 PM, brianstl said:
I am not sure what Catholic institutions you have been to, but drinking is definitely not frowned upon. It is only used when administrators want to get a student on something else, but can't. The school serves beer on campus. Catholic churches have grade school basketball tournaments where you can buy beer. Catholic orders have their own wineries and distilleries. Binge drinking? Sure they have a problem with that. Just having some drinks? They don't care as long as you don't do anything that can embarrass the institution or harm someone.
It isn't the drinking itself they are really going after. They use it to add to your punishment or as way to punish you for something they can't get you on.
Don't know how long it's been since you've been to a youth sporting event at a catholic church in St. Louis, but alcohol has been banned at all St. Louis Archdiocese youth sports events for a few years now.
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1 hour ago, JMM28 said:
Suspended from what though?
Suspended from activities. If that averages student is in a fraternity or sorority, they cannot participate in the fraternity or sorority functions during the suspension. If the student is in student government, they cannot participate in student government during the suspension. If the student is the a play, or a choir, or a speech planning committee, they cannot participate during their suspension. Seems logical that a sports team is the same.
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1 hour ago, kshoe said:
So drinking and having consensual sex means automatically kicked off campus if caught?
Seems like the punishment doesn't fit the crime, hence my speeding analogy. Especially considering EVERY other student at SLU is doing the same.
Yes. That's part of going to a catholic institution. I don't necessarily agree that it should happen this way, but that is exactly how it was enforced when I was at SLU and how, I assume, it is enforced now.
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Moving to the American is not giving up on the Big East. It just puts us in a better conference, geographically and as far as quality of opponents, until the Big East decides whatever it decides. If the Big East never calls, we're better in the American. If they do, there's no reason would couldn't move again to get into our dream conference.
If the A-10 is a sinking ship (Temple, Xavier, Butler, Charlotte have all left in recent years), then we don't want to be the ones who wait too long before getting on a lifeboat.
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Question for true SLU fans.
in Billikens.com Main Board
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I'm a fan of both. My father was a big Mizzou fan and I have lived in Missouri my whole life. I went to SLU, am a season ticket holder for about 10 years, and have been to a road game each of the last 6 years. I cheer for both, but bleed Billiken blue.