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True, but at least we won something, the Big 12 tournament. SLU, not so much. I do congratulate you on having a more successful NCAA tournament than Mizzou, though. Congrats!

No, I'm just a Tiger fan talking realistically about SLU basketball.

Did Lance Allred cry like Conklin did about finishing his time with Majerus? Oh, probably not:

And what exactly did SLU get for its one win and one loss? A t-shirt maybe? You got a lot of adda-boys, but little SLU always gets those, doesn't it. You guys just have to try hard and that's success enough.

It was 7 scholarship players, not 7 returning seniors. I'm just glad Haith came in and made the Anderson's players "his guys." That was a stark difference from Majerus, who came in and immediately threw Soderburg's guys under the bus: "I didn't choose them and they didn't choose me." No wonder it took 5 years for him to make the NCAA tournament at SLU.

He got Anderson's players to play better than Anderson did. Well, at least till, you know. I could care less about national COY awards. I'm glad Majerus is relevant again, I know his obscurity had been eating at his large ego like he goes after the buffet line. I'm just curious, but how bad a program is SLU if it took such a coaching legend 5 years to even get you in the tournament? I'm glad you guys think the future is bright. How many years does Majerus have left?

Players don't normally improve that much from junior to senior seasons. And Anderson had Bowers, which was a huge advantage over not having Bowers. No way Anderson would have accomplished the same thing.

Time will tell about Haith, but Anderson did much less with essentially the same roster plus Bowers last year. What Haith and staff (his staff should get a lot of credit) is quite remarkable.

Allegedly.

I'm pretty sure Gordon is the only one, at least that writes about Mizzou, and he loves to stick his finger in the eye of Mizzou when it suits him. For those who've been around, it was Gordon who dug up dirt on Norm's Detroit connections that landed Norm in NCAA trouble in the late '80s. Gregorian similary dug through Quin's phone records to get dirt on him. Bottom line, I don't think there is any particular love for MU at the post historically. As we've learned, the post is nothing if not bandwagon jumpers. Missouri has been been getting favorable press but they are 30-4 and are a pretty compelling story. I recall when the post was singing the praises of Bruce Weber and Illinois and Chris Lowry and SIUC as well not that many hears ago - it used to drive me crazy and I know it bothered some on this board. Burwell seems to be the biggest MU supporter right now, but I attribute that to Mizzou being 30-4 and having a black coach. If Mizzou stinks next year some of the Miami dirt sticks to Haith, they will jump off the bandwagon so fast it will make your head spin. Or course, the post, like all papers, is becoming less and less relevant. I don't know that they have the budgets anymore to send hacks like Gordon or Gregorian out to do investigative journalism (I wish someone would dig through Bill Self's phone records, but it won't happen). I grew up on a house that received both the post and globe democrat on a daily basis (plus the wall street journal). Now I get the post on the weekend and I'm probably one of the few who does that. Sometimes I don't even read it then.

Well that's interesting news. Hope you don't mind me commenting since I am a SLU Law Alum. I actually like what the law school had done with its space and the older building, but it certainly was limited. I kind of enjoyed the law school being attached to the campus, but this location no doubt will have some advantages as well. I wonder if this building though will help SLU recruit versus Wash U and Mizzou, both of which have very good law schools and both have good buildings on campus? Be curious what current and prospective students will have to say about that.

I'm not worried. Wins on the road against the top teams in the big 12 are hard to come by. You hope to hold serve at home and win the ones you should on the road amd upi will be in good shape. . What you are saying still makes no sense. Yeah, Mizzou is 14-0 without Bowers, but it would be helluva lot better team with him. I'm guessing the Dayton people would say the same about Benson.

Let me extend an olive branch and help out here. You guys will be fine. Losing on the road to Dayton is not a huge deal. It would have been a big win but it's not a big loss. You guys are still likely the best team in your league and will likely make the NCAA. MU is finally going on the road and will likely get its first L on Saturday at K-State, so it should be a good week from here on out for your guys both for your team and your hated non-rival. And I'm here to support you anyway I can.

I like seeing the black and gold MU. It stands out among all the powder blue. Strong colors.

How does losing one of your key players not have any effect? This makes no sense.

I've ignored them for months but Roy's comments deserved a friendly poke back.

I'm guessing nothing will come of it as far as Mizzou and Haith are concerned. Miami reinstated the kid who Shapiro allegedly paid the $10,000 with Haith's knowledge after consulting with the NCAA. You can always dream, though.

Are you second-billed? I'd say until this year at least Missouri State has been the second-billed team. These conversations haven't come up as much, at least in the media, until you finally have shown the possibility of making the NCAA for the first time in what, 12 years? You might be surprised to learn this, but I don't control who Mizzou schedules. But, like I said, it's kind of amusing to simply ignore the billikens.

I used to think we should but with Majerus running his mouth all the time crying about it I kind of think Mizzou has the right approach. Just ignore him. It seems to drive him crazy and your little billiken boosters in the local sports media crazy (not to mention several of the regulars on this board).

True, but he's obsessed enough to post incessantly about his hatred for a school that is not a rival of $LU and does not play $LU. Your coach talks about Mizzou fairly often too. It must really drive him crazy around Christmas when the Mizzou/Illinois game gets top billing and $LU is not even the top dog in your home town. That must be what gets all of you fired up. Mizzou is always the biggest game in Missouri, so we don't have that problem.

But you're from Belleville, so you must take that into account. That little arm-pit of a town is pretty "slow" in general. I'm glad to see your obsession with Missouri continues unabated. It has spread to your coach, as well. It's amazing how a program can get into your collective heads without even playing you. I doubt Mizzou will ever agree to play SLU with Majerus out there running his mouth at every opportunity. It's kind of sad, really. He is trying so hard to be relevant again.

This year is misleading, because Beal is a once a decade if not a once a generation player (Hughes being the last, Stipo before?) out of St. Louis. McLemore, SLU wouldn't touch him academically and I don't think MU could get him eligible (think Tony Mitchell). Bill Self can get these kids eligible. BJ Young sounds like a decent D1 player but I thought there were some issues with him as well? As much as we might love to hate each other, SLU and Mizzou have similar issues, for different reasons, in that the media and casual basketball fan thinks we should focus all our efforts on STL and we can't win if we do. If Majerus or, now Haith, runs out a starting lineup with 2 or 3 STL kids and fails to make the NCAA tournament or finishes in the bottom half of our respective conferences for a couple of years in a row, they will likely lose their jobs.

The morals of a fine catholic institution that "allegedly" defrauded the federal government. I know, I know, the suit was frivilous, I'm sure. St. Louis University Settles Suit Over Billing on stltoday.com 7/10/2008 St. Louis University has agreed to pay $1 million to settle a whistle-blower lawsuit that alleged that the university's School of Public Health overbilled and defrauded the federal government by inflating the number of hours its faculty members worked on research grants and contracts. In a statement released Tuesday, SLU denied that it cheated the government and said it was only settling to avoid legal costs. SLU said the issue is not about researchers being paid for work they didn't do, but rather about how to pay them for extra time worked on grants. SLU said this was a "good-faith dispute" over "how to apply highly complicated, cost-accounting principles governed by regulations that are hundreds of pages long." The federal lawsuit was first filed in May of 2005 by Dr. E. Andrew Balas, the former dean of the SLU School of Public Health. He raised questions about grants the school had with the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The casual basketball fan in STL thinks all SLU and Mizzou need to do to be top 15 programs is recruit St. Louis. There just isn't enough talent coming out and truly elite talent (sans Larry Hughes) seems to want to get the heck outta dodge. Even if Mizzou gets Painter (still have no idea), I'm sure he'll pay lip service to recruiting St. Louis but he'll be looking all over for talent, just like Majerus.