Discussing Possible Coaching Candidates Majerus, Gillen

[Band Legend]

You fear Gillen being like Spoon? That means you fear sold out crowds and interest in the Billikens that goes beyond the bunch of dorks (myself included) that post on Billikens.com. The coach that replaced him also took us to a big dance. I really, really liked Brad and hoped he would succeed here, but I feel a strange sense of calm right now. That's even with the bull in a china shop feel of the firing. I'm willing to let this thing play out, as long as they get it done fast. If Gillen would be like Spoon there would be a national coach of the year trophy on his mantel.

[Archy McNally]

"He won the first time around with Grawer's players."

All two of them. Same guys that went 4-25 the year before. One of them did not start on that team. Which is weird since they only had what, 6 players?

"And then won with Larry."

Your point? Still had to coach them with the best player being a freshman, which makes it more impressive. Do you think Lorenzo or Brad would have done that? I don't.

"His recruiting overall was extremely inconsistent and as time went on at SLU he lost interest in doing things as a coach like recruiting a talent evaluation that it takes to win."

Actually it got a lot better after he solidified his team as a post season threat. Larry Hughes, Baniak, Tatum, Love, Jeffers (a top 25 juco according to sporting news) and Perry (another top 100 player). Romar's and Brad's best players were Spoon's recruits.

He coached here for 7 years, a fairly long time for a college like St. Louis. If Gillen could do that, I say go for it.

If you discount Gillen, are you discounting Knight at Texas Tech, Altman at Creighton, Willard at Holy Cross, Bennett at Wash St and Wisconsin, Coles at Miami (OH), etc.

[hoops]

>He won the first time around with Grawer's players. And

>then won with Larry.

It is beyond me how you refuse to give Charlie credit for his success.

"The first year with Grawer's Players"--- How did Grawer do with Grawers players?

"The rest with Larry"--- I thought he didn't recruit?

You can't have it both ways. Whats wrong with giving him credit for being a good coach and recruiter? Maybe you don't remember that SLU is tough school to recruit for.

Charlie went to the NCAA tournament 3 years and the NIT once. How has it been done better at SLU?

[hoops]

>"He won the first time around with Grawer's players."

>

>All two of them. Same guys that went 4-25 the year before.

>One of them did not start on that team. Which is weird

>since they only had what, 6 players?

>

>"And then won with Larry."

>

>Your point? Still had to coach them with the best player

>being a freshman, which makes it more impressive. Do you

>think Lorenzo or Brad would have done that? I don't.

>

>"His recruiting overall was extremely inconsistent and as

>time went on at SLU he lost interest in doing things as a

>coach like recruiting a talent evaluation that it takes to

>win."

>

>Actually it got a lot better after he solidified his team as

>a post season threat. Larry Hughes, Baniak, Tatum, Love,

>Jeffers (a top 25 juco according to sporting news) and Perry

>(another top 100 player). Romar's and Brad's best players

>were Spoon's recruits.

>

>He coached here for 7 years, a fairly long time for a

>college like St. Louis. If Gillen could do that, I say go

>for it.

>

>If you discount Gillen, are you discounting Knight at Texas

>Tech, Altman at Creighton, Willard at Holy Cross, Bennett at

>Wash St and Wisconsin, Coles at Miami (OH), etc.

FINALLY! Someone with an accurate view of SLU history.

[thetorch]

You guys are right

Lets hire Charlie back.

That 11-18 year was real fun. So was the 15-16 year.

Charlie was fine. Most successful coach since Bennington and better than the two that proceeded him. Still I want to do better than what Charlie gave us. Been there done that.

[hoops]

I don't think anyone is advocating hiring Charlie back. He's smarter than that.

But I think your disrespect is unfounded.

[thetorch]

>I don't think anyone is advocating hiring Charlie back.

>He's smarter than that.

>

>But I think your disrespect is unfounded.

Ok Jay sorry i talked bad about your daddy.

[MU88]

>>Huh? No the rule should be taking everyone at face value

>>for their own merits. JT-3 is doing just fine, thanks.

>

>JT III went elsewhere to prove his meddle first before

>taking over at GT (success at Princeton), unlike Joey and

>Murray, who were handed their jobs without prior head

>coaching experience. Of course, there's Tony Bennett who in

>his first season inheriting a program from his dad was

>incredibly successful, so there isn't really a hard and fast

>rule regarding this.

I would not have hired JT III or Bennett. JT III still has some proving to do. He did not recruit Hibbard or Green. Joey Meyer had some initial success when taking over the program too. Longterm, Depaul took a major slide.

Look, there are some kids that do okay. Drew at Baylor appears to be a decent coach. Bennett comes from a family of coaches and I think he is the real deal. One Sutton has done well, while the other had major struggles in his first season. However, as a whole, don't think hiring sons of famous coaches is a good idea.

There are some retreads that have done okay too. Ronnie Arrow just got rehired at USA. But, I don't like the odds.

[courtside]

>>>Huh? No the rule should be taking everyone at face value

>>>for their own merits. JT-3 is doing just fine, thanks.

>>

>>JT III went elsewhere to prove his meddle first before

>>taking over at GT (success at Princeton), unlike Joey and

>>Murray, who were handed their jobs without prior head

>>coaching experience. Of course, there's Tony Bennett who in

>>his first season inheriting a program from his dad was

>>incredibly successful, so there isn't really a hard and fast

>>rule regarding this.

>

>I would not have hired JT III or Bennett. JT III still has

>some proving to do. He did not recruit Hibbard or Green.

>Joey Meyer had some initial success when taking over the

>program too. Longterm, Depaul took a major slide.

>

>Look, there are some kids that do okay. Drew at Baylor

>appears to be a decent coach. Bennett comes from a family

>of coaches and I think he is the real deal. One Sutton has

>done well, while the other had major struggles in his first

>season. However, as a whole, don't think hiring sons of

>famous coaches is a good idea.

>

>There are some retreads that have done okay too. Ronnie

>Arrow just got rehired at USA. But, I don't like the odds.

You said "As a rule, never ever,"

[billiken_roy]

arch said,

"I would do backflips to see Pete Gillen. I remember him taking Xavier to the NCAA tournament every year for say 10 years straight. I remember a great coach and recruiter."

and john wooden did better than that. but john is pretty old and gillen may be just as tired. gillen showed at virginia he was tired and done. why in the world do you want to try to recapture success he had 15-20 years ago? if he couldnt succeed at the likes of virginia anymore, he aint gonna do it at the school with the 280th athletic budget.

[billiken_roy]

how in the world does anyone think biondi and a son of spoon could co-exist?

"ah, jay, i know i f'd your dad over, but that was years ago. now go out and win the national championship. just dont bring us any receipts for ice cream."

[billiken_roy]

charlie also had 3 horrible under 500 seasons and one mediocre 16-14 year. he was the definition of a roller coaster.

i would hope we are striving for more consistency than that.