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I wouldn't dismiss Jimmie just yet. He has certainly not been the impact player he was billed to be, but I think he still is progressing and could be very good still as a junior and senior. I hope he stays at MU, but I would think SLU would be interested in him. I've never heard anything legitimate (other than a BRoy rumor) about him being anything but a good kid. He's just not as good on the court as he was built up to be.

I've heard that rumor and don't know if there is any truth to it, but I think it's innacurate to say McKinney has been getting less minutes. He was taken out early in the UNLV game due to foul problems. I think the coach kept him out b/c the team was playing insane with Conley and Gardner at guard. Now, I don't know what the coach is going to do down the stretch. I frankly hope that Conley and Gardner continue to get more minutes, especially at Kronke's expense, but that would probably mean that McKinney will get fewer minutes, too. That might upset McKinney and especially Floyd Irons and DJ, so that might become an issue. Time will tell. But it seems to me performance on the court should dictate playing time, and after Sunday, Conley and Gardner should get more.

on the Mizzou board on Stltoday.com? This sounds like you masquerading as Sofa: Post subject: New Info On Kroenke!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please know that just telling you this may very well jeopardize my own well being. However, the information I'm about to share is too important to keep bottled up. My personal safety pales in comparison to our future. For a long time posters on this board have insinuated a link between the wealth of Stan Kroenke/Bill Laurie and Josh Kroenke's playing time. Indeed that would be the easy assumption to make. It seems so plausible. Friends that is what they want you to think. Who are "they"? Ah, now we are getting some where. "They" are the Masons. Please, don't act surprised. Since this nation's birth the Masons have controlled almost every nook and cranny of our being. They've elected every president and even assassinated a few. You think they're incapable of something as simple as this? Wake up and smell the stench of truth! Crazy you say? Again, that's what they want you to think. You see the Masons have corrupted people on every level. From presidents to janitors to cashiers at toll roads----all of them are working together. So when someone like me stands up and screams the truth, they swarm in, and create distration and confusion. That's how they do it. When you can make truth bearers seem insane, you've won 90% of the battle. Want proof? How many letters are there in "Kroenke"? Seven. How many letters are in "Masonic"? That's right...seven. See? It's so obvious, but the masses walk in lock-step like lambs being led to slaughter. I could tell you more, but it would not be safe. Any more information will lead to a string people mysteriously dying in plane crashes, automobile wrecks, falls down stairs, odd suicides and unexplained gardening mishaps quicker than you can say "J. Edgar's Boy Toy Dance Party." The information is out there. You just have to be brave enough to accpet it. Wheels within wheels, my friends. Wheels within wheels.....

Technically, I think that's the unknown Kitty.

I knew you'd have a theory about that. Outstanding. Your psychosis is progressing nicely. Before you start on me, this sums up my feelings adequately: http://missouritigers.com/

Ok Thicks, I'll respond. I'm not claiming superiority. I am convinced that if MU and SLU played this season, SLU would win, perhaps even handily--probably even at Hearnes. Your coach can obviously coach circles around our "coach," and I use that term loosely. I am a big admirer of coach Soderberg, and have said so in the past. If the rather measely sum I give each year to the tiger scholar ship fund along with my purchase of season football tickets was enough to cause Mike Alden to be concerned with what I thought, I would tell him it's time to cut ties with Quin Snyder and try to get the program back on the right path. And I would tell him that Soderberg would be a guy I would at least talk to about replacing Snyder. Unfortunately, my few dollars does not give me that type of influence. I'm also not living vicariously through your team. Frankly, it is that much more difficult facing that my team stinks when SMLU is playing well when I live in St. Louis, given the local media's habit of playing the two off of each other and of fawning over SMLU for any success it might have. I have no interest in usurping this board. I'm simply reading posts about college basketball, and occassionaly responding when the subject is the team I happen to follow more closely than any other, which is Mizzou. Why you all find that so threatening, I have no idea. This is essentially a public forum, subject only to whatever restrictions the moderator places on participation here. Given the prevailing attitudes on this forum, perhaps you should simply start a private email chain so that you can discuss Mizzou or whatever you want without any interruptions from "outsiders." Given the current format, I will continue to post when the topic is MU if I feel fit to do so. If that bothers you, I suggest you just ignore me.

I expected this sort of response from a SMLU fan. Nobody here is interested in MU, but yet it's basically a constant topic of conversation. But go ahead, talk amongst yourselves..

You say goodbye, but I say hello. Hello, hello, hello...

This is now tigerboard-east. Despite their team getting off to their best start in years, SMLU fans are more interested in Mizzou. I can't even get away from MU talk when I want to forget about MU.

No, the catch is you want all of them with someone else coaching them.

Your hatred of Mizzou has reached biblical proportions. All kidding aside, congrats on a very good year so far. Soderberg is one heckuva coach. At least with Mizzou's implosion, I have found more time for other, less frustrating diversions.

I think he still might if (1) Mu doesn't make the tournament this year; and (2) the NCAA takes harsher action towards MU than is anticipated by the administration.

I haven't perused this board in some time. It's nice to see that Mizzou is still a hot topic of conversation among SLU fans. As usual, the topic is started by a SLU fan. The Missouri obsession never ends. One possible positive of SLU doing relatively well and Quin Snyder going down in flames, is maybe Soderberg will be a candidate to replace Snyder if SLU keeps winning. I haven't seen a Mizzou team play solid defense since Stewart left.

Roy, I hope you have good mental health benefits. You have more conspiracy theories than most Iowa and New Hampshire Deaniacs.

I agree, you guys have huge stones. You keep playing them, and you keep losing to them, yet you continue to say their conference isn't good enough for you. Huge stones! And you say their recruits aren't good enough for you. Huge stones! Then you demand that MU schedule you every year. Huge stones! You guys are all about stones.

I'm a simple person. After all, I am an MU graduate. I just think those that have strong opinions should be consistent, don't you?

I think the best idea Cheeseman would be to drop the current conference configuration, and just have every college team in a given state be in the same conference. That way MU, SLU, SMS, SEMO, Truman, UMKC, et al, could just be in one big conference. You could call every conference the braggin' rights conference, and then specify the state. We would be in the braggin rights, Missouri, conference. It would be great. Then MU and SLU could play, like, 4 times a year. We could play once in Columbia, once in St. Louis, maybe once in Wentzville, once in Warrenton. The bad thing for us is that SMS would probably win the damn thing every year. Then at the end of the year, you have the champion of each state play in the NCAA tournament.

True enough Roy. Although I disagree with most of your opinions about MU (not all), you are if nothing else consistent. I posed the question directly to Steve for a reason, knowing he was much younger than you and I. I was trying to determine if this MU hatred thing is a nurture or nature thing. Plus, I understand Steve and I graduated from the same high school--a public high school, so I thought that Steve probably didn't have the anti-public school bias that many catholic school kids seem to have.

"Unfortunately, we never seem to get up for the Bears while SMS have this game circled every year and come to play." That sounds familiar. I hope you're not looking down on poor SMS.

I never said it wasn't worthwhile. I simply asked, because I was curious, where all this bizarre hatred of MU came from. I don't think the game generates that much interest among the MU faithfull as a whole, at least outside of St. Louis. I also don't really know when they became such big "rivals." Back when I was in school at MU, and SLU was winning a lot of games with Bonner & company, I don't remember any MU fans saying it would be great if we played SLU, or saying that SLU was a rival. The first I heard about SLU/MU even being an issue was a few years later when I was looking at cars at Lou Fusz Toyota and I struck up a conversation with Anthony Jones (I think that's the right name, the Billiken player who graduated from Vashon), who was a salesman there at the time, and he told me that MU was "scared" of playing SLU. That was news to me. I'd never heard the two mentioned together. The MU/SLU talk did pick up when Spoonhour had his big years, and suddenly the average St. Louis sports fan suddenly jumped on the Spoonhour bandwagon. But my original question remains, how in the world did MU become SLU's big rival, and where did all this hatred come from. Despite all of the drawn out posts, basically all it boils down to is that you don't like MU because some MU fans have looked down on mighty SLU. Whaaaaaa. With all of your superior intellect and education (not to mention moral bearing), I expected a little more substance to it then that.

That's what I love about SLU fans. They are so hypocritical. Here you have someone from Florissant ripping on Boone County. Look around your quaint little burg sometime before popping off.

Just curious, Steve, but what exactly is your big beef with MU? Do you have some personal issues with MU yourself, or are you just picking up on the sentiments of others like B-Roy?? There's kind of a strange, almost psychotic hatred among Billikens fans towards MU, which is odd because we've never really been rivals on any meaningful level. Among some of you, it seems even nastier than the MU/KU rivalry, but at least that rivalry has some historical significance both on the field/court and off of it, stretching back to the pre-civil war days. Has all this hatred really been built up because Norm didn't want to play Slu?

Have you heard the rumors about the second air brusher? Do you think they acted alone, or was it a cia plot, or maybe the mafia, or maybe even Castro?

My guess is that at this point, Pulley's transcripts have been looked more closely by more people from more different organizations than any other division 1 athlete currently attending any NCAA institution. Same goes for Clemmons. Although I was highly suspicious of the circumstances surrounding Clemmons' becoming eligible at MU, if the NCAA spends months looking at it and if in fact they conclude there was no improper conduct, that's good enough for me.

That sounds more like what you hope will occur rather than what probably will occur. While I personally expect some sort of action from the NCAA, I'm starting to believe it won't be as severe as all of you are hoping for. MU: Academics no longer in probe By MIKE DeARMOND The Kansas City Star Missouri officials were told Thursday that allegations of academic fraud on the MU campus involving former basketball player Ricky Clemons are no longer a part of an NCAA probe. A source within the MU athletic department told The Star that the NCAA is still investigating allegations that Clemons received improper benefits — including cash and clothing — while he was a member of the men's basketball team during the 2002-03 school year. MU systems president Elson Floyd and four other school officials met with NCAA staffers for two hours in Indianapolis. Late Thursday night, Floyd told the Associated Press he was relieved by the turn of events. “Personally, I feel much better about there not being a possibility of any academic violations having occurred, but we need to wait and see what the NCAA says,†Floyd said. http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/s...souri/7417572.h