Clock_Tower
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4 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said:
Thanks. Close to what I had thought.
$7.4 million for SLU
4.3 million for Loyola
2.1 million for Indiana State
And I just looked up, Duquesne spends $3.9 million
Obviously, the figures will fluctuate over time but here are some figures for the A10 by comparison
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Apples to apples... how much do we at SLU spend on basketball?
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If ticky tacks fouls is the norm, Yuri is bumped every series
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Tre still have 3 fouls then?
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Terrible call. Why play defense?
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Noon Central time, right.?
Short delay you say?
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19 minutes ago, wgstl said:
What about Evansville game against us? Or I guess this would mean they made that game up with someone else.
If we were to play Evansville, I know he won’t appear in person, but would someone make a cardboard cut out of Jim Crews and make sure he is wearing Evansville purple and not Billiken Blue!
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5 hours ago, tarheelbilliken said:
Majerus seemed pretty high on Whitsell. Little mention of Crews (of course he's not going to knock him) by Majerus.
Tarheel
Wish I could solve and end the contested debate once and for all but I cannot. Here's what we know:
1. RM had 2 older, former head coaches on his staff in Crews and Whitells
2. RM thought highly of both
3. Some key Billiken insiders have reported that RM gave his preference for Crews over Whitesell (and I believe this story though not all do)
4. AD May chose Crews as Interim HC over Whitesell and Whitesell left
Now to me, assuming the above preference of Crews over Whitesell was made, what did the preference mean? RM wanted Crews as the caretaker and public face of the program until RM returned or that RM wanted Crews as our full-time next, permanent head coach. I believe the former and your article supports my theory.
RM was not some long-time Billiken loyalist or separated from the program. Should a non-head coach loyalist like Dr. C give his wishes on his death bed, that's one thing. But RM already was the head coach and most likely did not think he would die "so quickly" even though he had been dying for years and years with heart disease. To me, even as bad as it was for him then, and no doubt RM knew things were bad and that his disease became worse and the doctors' option became fewer each time, RM always survived I believe he thought he would would somehow survive yet again. And the article is typcial RM: praise for those around him... but to me, the key is that he found Whitesell to be a balance to him. He stopped reading Whitesell's reports until RM watched them first and RM made his one determination. RM did not delegate. It was not in his DNA. RM did everything himself - he was a perfectionist. Those who wanted responsibility delegated to them either left RM to get it elsewhere or never coached with him to start. RM's coaching tree legacy is not much -- b/c IMO RM hired guys not to replace him but to complement him - to be a balance. And Crews was no different. IMO, RM clearly knew that neither could or should replace him but both were key balances to him. As I (and several others) said at the time, neither Crews nor Whitesell were good enough to be our next head coach. We had hired sucessful veterans in Spoon and RM and then we took a chance on an up and coming young coach in Romar ... but hiring older guys who previously failed in the Valley/MCC (Loyola, Evansville), Indiana State (Porter) and average years at SD State and Loras (Brad) is not the way for us to go.
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On 2/28/2021 at 7:02 PM, willie said:
You are a very good Monday morning quarterback. If you were saying all this back then I would like to see it. My memory was what’s taking May so long to name Crews.
Monday morning quarterback implies I was silent and said nothing on Sunday. Wrong. And I have proved it several times and not interested in yet again. Ask BRoy - he said the same. And ask Thinks and Steve - they both recall me proving old posts by posting new on old posts and upsetting the Board. Not doing that again. Several others all said the same thing. Nothing all that unusual. Surprised you were not one of them.
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JGood’s first year was part of our complete rebuild before SLU suspended him for the balance of the year.
JGood’s second year ended w NCAA TournamentJGood’s third year also to be an NCAA Tournament bid until COVID shut the Tournament down for everyone
JGood’s fourth year is not over and we are still in the running for another NCAA bid despite COVID.
And if things don’t turn out that way, and if the Tournament is important to JGood, then he can join Perkins next year for a COVID free normal year
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4 minutes ago, Billboy1 said:
Weak conference helps
We were in the MCC and came in second nearly every year to Xavier. We have been in the A10 and haven’t won in the A10 like we should have.
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Did not intend for another Jim Crews discussion. Instead, I am curious to hear from the rest of you who truly do follow 1 or more of our non- revenue sports as to how long we stick with same coaches. Paying the bills, keeping the lights on, offering scholarships, good GPAs and not bringing negative attention to the University are noble goals ... but shouldn’t SLU try to win as well??
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55 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said:
Clock, I totally agree with you in that the crews hire was fire worthy. But in some respect I’m a little more forgiving with Jim Crews being named head coach. He would have been roasted by the media for sending Crews packing after his interim season, the media would have been wrong.
McGinty had some really good years and a couple NCAA apps, but I think he was probably held on to too long. McGinty shouldn’t be put anywhere near Miller IMO
Postscript: Love McGinty, a great guy.
Good leaders lead and bad leaders get led or don’t lead at all. Often times they do nothing. That was the case with Chris May and Jim Crews. Waiting until Jim Crews won the national coach of the year was too late. From the beginning, Chris may should have controlled the narrative, said he would not be hiring any of our assistant coaches, said our new coach would a younger coach.... None of our assistants were up to the job. AD May knew what he had: an out of touch fossil - who I would have taken in the 1980’s - but not following RM in 2010’s. The game passed him by. You don’t think the players liked him and related to him as an assistant coach and that things suddenly changed once he became the head coach do you? And you know how he (and Jim Platt) were run out of Westpoint bc of his personality and how he treated even the most accepting of his old school discipline, right? What indication did he show while on Frost campus that he was up for our head coaching job? Hints could have been dropped the whole year. A coach could have been indirectly and secretly contacted and all but hired behind the scenes.
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1 hour ago, billikenfan05 said:
May has been a fairly good AD and has put SLU as a whole in a better position than he found it IMO. Not a whole lot better but better. He’s been here awhile and I while I don’t think he should be fired at all I do think new blood at the top of the department would be a good thing.
After watching Donigan, what did Chris may see to make him want to extend his contract?
Same question with McGinty and Kent Miller. I get hires which don’t turn out well but extensions after they work for you for years?
Within 6 months, everyone saw what Bob Warming, Kordes, Majerus, Ford, Hendrickson, Kalisch did and was doing.
And yes, no one knew Jim Crews better than AD May and I would have fired him for that hire alone. -
7 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said:
Roy, stop it. You know I don’t have an answer as to why he hasn’t been let go. Here’s the long and the short of it:
Chris May is at fault for hiring him
Chris May is at fault for extending him
Its Chris May’s fault if he does not let him go at the end of this contract.
It’s not Chris May’s fault SLU can’t or won’t afford to be able to fire Miller before his contract is up.
Wether or not SLU/Chris May can afford to pay a coach more is not an issue. SLU/Chris May can find someone younger, better, hungrier and more charismatic than Kent Fuoking Miller at the same pay rate. That I’m sure of.
AD May makes mistakes like other Athletic directors. In fact, his track record of making mistakes may be greater than other athletic directors but he also lacks the funds to fix his mistakes. Making a bad hire is understandable. Making a bad extension is not. I would clean house and look for a new AD
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SLU made a great hire and retention for baseball and recently for soccer with Kalisch. Before that Donegan and McGinty were both bad and should have been let go. Neither were fired and both were extended. Why?? Whose decision other than AD May is it to extend head coaches like them and Kent Miller? What coach has AD May and SLU bought out? SLU didn’t care about soccer anymore either? Or SLU lacked the money and balls to rectify its mistakes? Thank God for soccer that Kalisch is the real deal.
And if not for Dr C writing another check to Jim Crews, would the B of T stepped in and bought Crews out for the good of the basketball program?
I say hell no. Even Crews would have finished his contract. -
I agree. New blood is needed. Somehow SLU hired Nolan and she made us a Top 10 program. She fell in our lap like Majerus did. Once in a lifetime. She was a HOF coach at the end of her career.
Kordes made us us Top 25 and relevant and should be the model. With all the local talent, and hot spots in Kansas City and Indianapolis, we should be hiring young energetic coaches like Kordes and be a successful stepping stone for the same budget. AD May retaining him was a mistake. Then again, AD May has made alot of mistake and no repercussions. -
2 hours ago, Taj79 said:
St. Joes would be a nightmare for us. Think about it ..... they have a 6'8" point forward in Jordan Hall. Does Yuri match up with that? Or is it Goodwin? It doesn't seem to fit for Perkins who can't seem to avoid foul trouble lately the way it is. Then you've got two guys who basically shoot the three in Funk and Brown. Given our current inability to cover the three. who gets them? And Funk is essentially their starting 4/5 so in direct correspondence, that means French or Linssen goes out on him? Not a good matchup for us either. Brown is then left to Collins and he's 6'5". Jimerson? Thatch? Jacobs? All the while knowing just how suspect our defense of the three is. Don't like it.
Then there is Daly. At 6'5", he's too big for Collins, Thatch, and Jacobs. Goodwin? What if Goodwin is on Hall? Perkins? Uggh. And Daly can shoot the three or use his bulk to drive for the basket as he did against us last year. Plus he's hungry. Nope --- don't like that at all.
What team are you talking about? st Joe from the A10 who is 2-9? A nightmare?
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My daughter is a high school Junior and select volleyball player who has the skills to play D1. She has reached her limit though, is backing off and no longer wishes to play competitive volleyball or college volleyball. With that said, DOC is absolutely correct. St. Louis is a huge hotbed for volleyball. A top 25 team could be reached every year with St. Louis girls alone. The better girls go to the Big Ten and SEC and are not interested in playing for SLU in the A10. Last year, though, we lost to SEMO which had landed a very good Libero from St Joseph Academy. SEMO over SLU?
And 05 is also correct. Kent Miller must go. What has he done? Either assistant coach would be an improvement. Major failure by SLU and AD May. Either Chris May is incompetent or his hands are financially tied. I go with the latter.
With all that said, no one has answered Roy’s question. Why is Kent Miller still here? Third or fourth place in the A10 is good enough for SLU now? OK, we are in the top tier of volleyball budgets for the A10 - why is Roy wrong about the B of T not wanting to pay two salaries? Can we not be in the top tier of the A10 and also refuse to pay two salaries?
Other than Dr C and Novelly, is there anyone else at SLU who gives a damn about SLU athletics?
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Another good game by French who is looking more like he did last year.
Improved health makes a difference for Yuri.
Love the first half game plan and execution. A definite and concerted effort to pound the ball inside. And guess what, it worked. And no, I don’t expect the Travis Ford haters to notice it much less mention it.
No shooting opportunities for our best outside shooter Still work to be done and improvementMore poor defense by Perkins, Hargrove and Thatch but Fred redeemed that and his missed shots with a huge 3 pointer after being left alone in the corner.
Game should not have been so close ... .but we are back on a rollBig game Monday !!
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I mentioned in another thread about point guards the name Larry Hughes. We all know Larry Hughes was not a point guard for the Billikens; however, I included him because when the game was on the line or when a point was needed at a crucial time of any game, and often even at a non-crucial time, Larry had the ball out top and in my opinion was the point guard. He was not looking to be a playmaker and was not a pass first guy but instead to shoot, drive and do whatever it took to score. If this included a pass to an open big or teammate - he did it.
Against VCU, French and Linssen had already fouled out and the ball was NOT in Yuri’s hands. The Seniors - JGood and Perkins - had the ball. Our best 2 players but they are not Michael Jordan and Reggie Miller. Often this is the case - the offense not being run. I am sure the non-Seniors can and would get them the ball - but I see too much 1 against 5 and not enough running of the offense. And I will withhold judgment on why the offense is not being run even with Yuri in the game. If, as some indicate, it is solely because Yuri is injured (as he was last year and this year) as opposed to Covid, or game planning by the other side, or the need to be less predictable, then even more and so the need to bring in another quality PG next year. -
34 minutes ago, Basketbill said:
sprained his against Rhode Island near the end of the game when he went in for a dunk. Made the two free throws and then came out, seemed bother by it the rest of the game on the sidelines. If I recall correctly he was hampered by an ankle injury previously years to and it really impacted his play. I thought in the first half of the VCU games he had one drive and layup, then go body slammed going in for another layup. It seemed like an awkward foul, contact made to his body did not seem to be a play on the ball. I do not know if that impacted him the rest of the way.
Because it’s easier and apparently more fun to sit on the sidelines and speculate. Our coach is a bad in game game coach, he may leave, his house wasnon the market, players may transfer, players will be unhappy, how long will good players will sit on the bench, playing eight does not work, playing 10 does not work so playing even more will work. Some topics and players are off limits and others are free to be trashed. And note: no one has suggested who sits - just who should play. And is Jacob‘s really injured or is he still suffering from Covid? Now if you’re referring to Jacob‘s injuries as a freshman, I suggest that they prevented him from learning how to play college basketball - far different from today. He now knows how to play college basketball, he has played well in the past, and yes, something is preventing him from having success now.
Maybe our head coach does know more than the rest of us. As I have said all along,, our roster is full of guys who are very good and talented but who are excellent at this but not very good at that. And yet when their weaknesses are exposed, whether due to good scouting/play of our opponents, Covid sickness or injury, there is no recognition of them and their limitations towards their struggles, blame has to go elsewhere. As to further details, maybe after the season. We have a Tourney to win now.
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2 hours ago, billiken_roy said:
all the more reason we should be playing our bench more. instead it seems the rotation has been tightened.
I remember a time, long long ago, when players earned their playing time. When matchups mattered. Now, it appears to be a coaching style to play eight, 10 or whatever regardless of what the players do. And VCU on the road is a good time to see what Strickland can do? Hargrove git minutes last game and went 3 of 9. No, we can’t just lose a tough game on the road with bad reffinging calls and unlucky breaks but we also must tear down our players, our coach and then invent rumors of transfers and coaching changes. SLU’s medical school should open the doors and hand out valium to many on this Board.
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2 hours ago, Coach314 said:
Just going off my observation of last night's game..it seems like the role players come in to perform one job and if they don't do it, they get pulled. I think at certain points of the game they should have ramped up the pressure. VCU struggled with it against GM. VCU was able to win last night with a freshman pg playing 40 minutes...another freshman playing 29 mins going 2-12 and another seldom used freshman playing 19mins. Even Medley-Bacon got 6 mins. VCU's defense and style of play allowed them to come in and contribute. When I found out Hyland and Curry were out I thought SLU would win easily.
You mean - COULD have ramped up pressure. Maybe. Or maybe not if conditioning was still a problem, if Yuri’s ankle was not up to it, and if foul problems did not exist. I believe all 3 were an issue last night.
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I found the figure of nearly $5 million of our $7.5 million as being salary to be rather high. Or higher than I expected in that I assume Coach Ford is making around $2 million or so? Even $3 million? Who makes the other $2 million?
And yes,figures can fluctuate from year to year and some programs will include expenses which others do not but we are spending nearly double that of the highest spending program from the Valley which is closer to Duquesne than us.
Davidson had their nice run in the tourney as did George Mason and recently Loyola, we waited 50 years for the Blues to win the Stanley Cup and may have to wait awhile longer for our Billikens but I would rather compare ourselves to Marquette and the $11.8 million they are spending.
https://marquettewire.org/3992372/tv/increased-mens-basketball-spending-a-product-of-travel-lease-agreements/