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4 hours ago, VeniceMenace said:
But BR, JS just said they'll play fast, no more TF weave!
UConn did some weaving last night. It ran some clock and got a backdoor layup.
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1 minute ago, 3star_recruit said:
But this isn't how we operated when we were kids. We didn't know enough about how the world worked to care about the fine details. (Well ABomb did but maybe he was precocious). I'm not saying it's all bad, but it's certainly more stressful being an adult sports fan. And often more mean-spirited.
I disagree with it being more stressful being an adult sports fan. An adult understands that life is long and your team, most probably, will get another shot at a title. If you are ten years old, your frame of reference is all off. You are only in college four years and there are 'lasts' being that kind of fan, too.
An adult can remember Bonner, or Lisch, or Hughes with perspective and know that tomorrow is another day. Hope springs eternal!
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3 hours ago, OkieBilliken said:
Ford has to go immediately after the season ends. No other acceptable path. But anyone else uncomfortable with posting his address and tax assessments??? This kind of doxxing doesn’t seem very helpful and kind of makes us look like a**holes.
It makes it unnecessarily personal. I have no problem with Travis Ford the person. I believe he tries his hardest; that's all you can ask. That doesn't mean he should keep his job.
Why not post referee information next? Hey, it's public. That's sarcasm, in case you didn't know.
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Just now, DOC said:
I doubt there’s a plan, but if there really is one it just might be Ford investing a chunk of his salary into NIL. Then you have to cull the herd. Who stays and who goes if Ford is here would be very interesting.
I would find that very surprising, a coach taking a pay cut to get better players.
Depending on how much he saved/invested, TF may not have to work again, but I still don't see it happening. It would create a precedent that his fellow coaches would be pressured to follow.
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4 minutes ago, thunderdan said:
Same with Nick Sabin retiring. I'm sure he's not a fan of (the presently-constructed) NIL.
And Jay Wright.
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10 minutes ago, willie said:
Didn't this all start with a UCLA basketball player [Tyus Edney]? who sued when his image was used in a video game. He sued and won in the courts and that opened up the can. I am sure someone out there has a better recollection.
I think it was Ed O'Bannon.
Once colleges woke up and determined what a gold mine a good college athletics department was for literal gold, and reputation, coaches were better paid, facilities were better etc. Everyone got rich off it but the players. I don't think $500 per month keeps the troops in line with Jimbo Fischer getting $75? MM.
Remember the Flutie effect? I toured Villanova in the late 80s and the tourguide openly said that their applicant pool got better since winning the national title.
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11 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said:
I think we should be in the Valley.....
This win puts us in the Big East conversation, perhaps as their number one target.
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On 11/3/2023 at 2:23 PM, RUBillsFan said:
There were so many reasons to hate him before this season. Now that is essentially robbing the only Billiken in the NBA of minutes, it is personal.
Is it any shocker that the most hated man in the NBA has a slight resemblance to the most hated man in the US Senate, Ted Cruz?
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1 minute ago, courtside said:
Understanding NCAA Selection:
Last year as an 8 RPI team, SLU played a 30’s RPI team in the 1st round. This year, the 8 RPI team is playing the 90 RPI team in the 1st round.
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5 of the top 7 RPI teams are playing teams that are 100 RPI or much worse. 2 are not. They have more challenging 1st round RPI games.
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The 10, 11, 12 RPI teams ahead of SLU, are all playing teams 196, 85, 146.
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There is 1 team in the RPI top 15 that is playing a better RPI team than SLU. Most are playing mid 100’s RPI teams.
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The 16 and 17 RPI teams after SLU are both playing worse RPI teams than SLU. In fact, there are at least 13 teams with a worse RPI than SLU that are playing worse RPI opponents than SLU in the 1st round of the NCAA Tourney. Some are pretty extreme. 26 RPI hosting 154 RPI Ohio etc….
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Arkansas for example has a great program. But they haven’t had as challenging of a first game lately. Last year as a 3 seed, they hosted Missouri State, a team SLU defeated 7-0 that season. This season as a 2 seed they will host Grambling, a 196 RPI team.
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Regionally, Morehead State was sent to top seed Florida State. But 21 RPI Wisconsin will host 33 RPI Milwaukee.
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31 RPI and 8 seed Gonzaga gets to host 157 RPI Idaho.
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And this doesn’t include teams that are under or over seeded which also happens.
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Some teams some years will have much tougher or much easier 1st round games than others. Teams are still evaluated based on results. But some context helps. And upsets can and do happen incrementally more frequently annually. Two seasons ago 2 seed UCLA lost to UC Irvine in a big 1st round upset. The very next season UCLA won the National Championship.
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Some worthy teams were left out of the tourney entirely. South Alabama had an RPI of 27 but the committee didn’t want to take 3 teams from the Sun Belt.
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Big Ten has 9. SEC has 7. ACC has 5. Pac 12 has 5. Ivy has 4. Big 12 has 3. Big East has 3. WCC has 3. Sun Belt has 2.
4 of those 9 Big 10 teams are in SLU’s Region.
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So there is quite a variety and randomness to NCAA matchups.
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A partial solution to the bracket inconsistency, is to seed all 64 teams, and, to play each round on campus of one of the two schools playing the game.
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One way to get better seeding and better earlier matchups more often, is to win more high profile games.
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There’s no reason why SLU can’t be successful in this year’s NCAA Tourney, and go far in this year’s tournament. And that all begins with the first game.
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Does geography explain some discrepancies in pairings? Like Gonzaga being relatively close to Idaho?
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14 hours ago, almaman said:
2 balls or no goalie in OT
2 balls with a large bumper at the penalty spot. Henceforth called the 'pinball variation.'
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Memorial Day being about dead soldiers, I would think the best Memorial Day movies would have to have some dead characters/soldiers.
Saving Private Ryan, Dirty Dozen, Apocalypse Now are up there for me.
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12 minutes ago, Cowboy II said:
-'do not contact' a level of the portal I didn't know existed
I guess it's the equivalent of the do not call list, which means people will call him anyway.
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16 hours ago, HoosierPal said:
@TJ_Cavanagh
BREAKING: Nazareth guard Jesus Christ has entered his name into the transfer portal.
@Sam_Federman
Jesus Christ tells me that Notre Dame, Holy Cross, Liberty, Georgetown, and Boston College have reached out. He also told me that Arkansas contacted him.
Replying toSt Peter’s was also rumored to have interest but the school denied it 3 timesSome people can jump out of the gym, this guy can jump to the heavens. He's fed a lot of people (inside). He known as a bit of a nepo-baby; he gets his greatness from his Dad.
He's had a friend betray him, so he's being careful.
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Friend reposted on FB that the Athletic department posted that he is officially staying.
Maybe he and Fred can be practicing Drs. together.
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There are two spring football leagues. I could see them morphing into a minor league.
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4 hours ago, BIG BILL FAN said:
That makes no sense at all. Regardless of NIL, players are still going to need to be recruited, in fact it’s going to be more imperative to excel at this, as literally every player has got to be recruited every year. Other schools will have NIL money as well, relationships will always be important. Fortunately, our so called majority will be striving to let all these potential recruits know exactly what they think of our coach, right Ford haters?
I disagree. One place of employment offers X, one place offers 1.5X for the same job. The 1.5 is going to get the employee, nine times out of ten, regardless of Thai food Tuesdays. Building a program on paying less than your peers is a tough way to go.
What is going to be important is talent identification and development. Who can identify and develop the next Ja Morant/David West/Gordon Hayward/Jordan Goodwin? Those coaches will get an edge in getting a little better talent, with a slightly less pay scale.
I do agree that you will have to keep your team together every year, and that will have some recruiting-esque intangibles involved, but it will also come down to PT, winning and, I believe above all, money.
Edited to add, yes, all schools will have NIL money, but they won’t have the same amount. Will SLU have more or less than Dayton/VCU/St. Bonaventure? I have no idea and no way to reliably find out.
I think of it like a law firm, as that labor market has a tiered salary structure. National firms, like Bryan Cave pay one salary, regional firms pay a lower salary, local firms pay a lower salary than that. The national firms typically get to choose what law students they want first (because they pay more), then the regionals, then the locals.
Crudely extrapolating to the labor market for 18 year old college basketball players, Kansas, Duke etc. will be the national firms, SEMO, Lindenwood etc. will be the local firms with a whole lot of schools in between. So, who in the middle can identify the 18 year old basketball player who will become the best 21 year old basketball player and spend wisely to get/keep the 18 year old.
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4 minutes ago, slu72 said:
This might be the best post on here. Well done, sir, well done.!
Thank you. The needed skill set for HCs is changing/sharpening.
A friend went to Marquette in the 70s and said an assistant ran the practices with Al Maguire doing not much. That assistant should now be a head coach.
Just an anecdote that I use to support my thesis. Don’t take it too seriously.
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With NIL, Ford’s sizable recruiting prowess is devalued. Billiken Victory Fund is the recruiter, largely. Sure, you can’t be a jerk, but NIL does the recruiting work for you.
Therefore you need a coach who can teach players and strategize games. I don’t know who that is, but I’m confident it isn’t the present coach.
I appreciate all the work he has put in and definitely wish him well wherever his future endeavors lead him.
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16 minutes ago, Crewsorlose said:
Next year should be make or break for Ford. There's a lot to complain about, some things to like, but Ford acts like he can't play certain guys who can play. We're never going to have a great big unless we develop one from within. Lassina Traore was raw, but no doubt he's better than Jake F this year. He averaged 13 and 10 on a decent Long Beach team. All we remember is that he got yelled at for dancing. Is Cisse destined to transfer? Is Zhang destined to transfer in a year because he gets no run because we play a transfer from Arkansas St. 30 mpg so Ford can win 16 instead of 14 games?
Larry Hughes Jr. at the very least gave us a different look this year and showed he could be a disruptive force on defense. Why not play Yuri 30mpg and tell him to turn up the defense? Why not develop LHG? Likewise, why bury Parker game after game? There were 10 games he played less than 10 minutes. Like it or not, Sincere is probably your leading scorer next year. Give him confidence and reps.
We may stumble into another Javon Bess but the quality of our transfers (I'm not counting JUCO transfers) has been pretty uneven over the last 10-15 years (Pickett, Forrester, D Jones, Rashad Williams, Okoro, Linssen, Tay Weaver, Dion Wiley). The strategy needs to be both/and, but we can't let guys who can clearly be part of winning teams (Traore, D Jacobs) just transfer because Ford buries them.
Can he build a core to replace the French/Goodwin core of tough, winning players who play a style? We lost the toughness and just replaced it with shooting and fast break offense that was up and down.
You make valid points, but I believe this year was the make or break year. And he didn't make. If he can't make it with the team he assembled, he may not know how, or be able, to assemble/develop a bubble team. I'm just asking that we make the NCAA one in three-four years. Maybe that's too big of an ask.
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Thinking a few years ahead, and knowing nothing about labor law--Could basketball develop a transfer market similar to European soccer, where the 'original' school/collective gets a cut of future NIL monies to the player if player takes a job elsewhere? You probably couldn't 'sell' a player, but maybe get some of their NIL money.
Non-competes are illegal in CA and, I believe, other places. So that would help CA schools recruit players as it helped tech get started as employees could be easily, if expensively, poached.
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18 hours ago, BC1764 said:
No matter the money or the players they decide to pay, their pool of players is just not going to be the same as a program like Mizzou. SLU is a middling team in a low mid-major, a one bid conference. A conference where they are treated like a red-headed step child, a conference that has either the worst officiating EVER or officiating that is acting out a conference directive as to who wins. I think it is a combination of both. SLU is what it is and I can't figure out why they remain in the A-10. There must be a buyout or a contractual obligation they have to fulfill before leaving. They would do better to get together with other teams of their ilk, like Memphis, and Cincinnati , who are located in the midwest and forming a conference grouping in an already established conference, much like the team in the current Big East did when they changed the membership so drastically. SLU has come a long way from the West Pine Gym and Kiel era. Back then it was a revelation when Rich Grawer re-lit the fire for SLU basketball. He did it with the help of some local kids who wanted to play. Times have changed. I just wish SLU would get into a conference where some rivalries and regional competition could be reborn. The A-10 could not be a more BLAH home for the Bills.
No matter the money or the players they decide to pay, their pool of players is just not going to be the same as a program like Mizzou.
Money talks and BS walks. Sad, or not so sad, but true. Imagine a person who has one sack of money in from them to do one thing in one location away from home. Or two sacks of money in front of them to do the same thing, but in a different location, also away from home. I know what I would do.
18 year olds like money, and like more money even more. Not so different from fast food workers, doctors, salespeople.
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33 minutes ago, courtside said:
This is a high end example of money in the transfer portal:
$800,000 for two years. That gets your family out of any debt it may have and really start some intergenerational wealth. Let's hope players don't blow it all by the time they're 30. Some will, yes, but schools should make personal finance education at least available.
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36 minutes ago, wgstl said:
Yes that was our best chance, but not the only chance. Like I said, the BE will be adding again, who has more than us without argument? Just Gonzaga? And that comes with a 3k mile flight every game.
It has to be a mix of market and success. Belmont is the absolute strongest suiter along with WSU. People think I'm kidding, I would really look into Toronto. The more I think about it, the more I like it the most.
Toronto invites visa issues that arise from time to time. The Blue Jays in MLB had to play in Buffalo during pandemic. I hope that's not repeated, but it seems to be more trouble than it's worth. And, is Toronto even an NCAA member?
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Fordham Coach Urgo is buying one pre-game beer for all of the people in the student bar.
I don't think they sell beer AT the game, though.
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Posted · Edited by someoneelse
'cap' is needed for full meaning
A salary cap could come with a union agreeing to a salary cap.