cgeldmacher
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How is this any different than years past?
People from Illinois, Memphis & Texas commit to tons of D1 schools every year. I doubt us landing one of them is going to change our view in a lot of future recruits.
The only real important factor is that we've made the tournament the last three years. We've gotten our name on the map. That's what it all comes down to.
I think all factors come into the equation. Certainly success and making the tournament drives recruiting the most. However, when kids from high profile high schools in Memphis and Chicago come to SLU, it cannot help but grease the wheels a bit for more players from those high schools and those towns.
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@NashSkyler: Heading down to SLU June first! #BillikenNation Whitney Young connection? @MilesReyRey3
@MilesReyRey3 Building that pipeline bro
Nash is a 2016 recruit that was hurt most of the season. Getting interest from a lot of BCS schools. Would be a hell of a pipeline
In addition to really liking the guys coming in next year, I also love where they are from. Recruits in Chicago, Peoria, Memphis, and Texas are seeing that guys from their town or state are choosing SLU. That's gotta help recruiting in the future.
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I seriously doubt what the BCS conferences want is all out spending wars with unlimited payouts to players. What they want is to pay the players a nominal amount; think $5-$20k a year to cover the expenses of college. Once they do that they are hopeful that some of the outcry about kids not being paid, legal lawsuits like Obannon, under-the-table payments, etc. will be diminished.
So, let's assume the dollar amount they want to pay players is $10k a year. For a basketball team that means $130k a year. Even if Title 9 forces schools to also pay the women's team, that means only $260k a year.
SLU doesn't have unlimited funds but we can certainly swing that if necessary to keep up. It equates to 1/5 of a single NCAA tourney game's payout.
Two things: 1) The stipend does worry me if the big schools are allowed to pay players $20,000.00 per year, then SLU would have to also pay the same to compete. Under your calculations, that comes to over half a million a year. We already have issues about paying our assistant coaches. What would having to shell out $520,000.00 extra per year do to that issue.
2) The proposal discussed schools being allowed to pay for parents travel to games. If Kentucky said to the Tatums, "we'll fly you round trip to any game you want to go to, including tournaments in Hawaii, the Carribean, etc., and put you up in the nicest hotels," are the Tatums going to find that more appealing than driving down to SLU for home games and walking from the parking garage to Chaifetz when its 10 degrees? I tend to think they would. The result would be us having zero chance at landing the top guys.
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I have to comment about all things related to this thread at once to save multiple postings.
1. I am not a fan of TMZ or tabloid media. However, can any of the guys bashing the media or TMZ in particular explain what is inaccurate about the article that was posted? Larry was seen going to the hotel. Later he was accused of something. He was brought in for questioning. It's lazy to bash an article or the media in general.
2. Larry is and will always be a Billiken. If one-and-done's aren't really Billikens, then we should stop our recruitment of them right now. Let's tell Justin Tatum no thanks, go somewhere else. One-and-dones are part of the college basketball landscape, whether we like it or not. I, for one, would be happy to have more Larry Hughes's come to SLU even if it was only for one year. I don't want a Kentucky situation, but none of us would turn down one or two every few years. Plus, I'm willing to bet the guys saying Larry is not really a Billiken are the same ones that are posting that Justin Tatum should come to SLU because his godfather is a former Billiken that is the perfect example of how you can go to SLU for a year and not cost yourself draft status in the NBA.
3. Let's wait to see what happens before we start planning prison yard games. We're supposed to be the ones who are unreasonably in Larry's corner on this sort of thing. Along those lines, I have to believe that the alleged victim, who voluntarily went with Larry to a hotel, is out for a quick payoff. That's my position until I hear any additional evidence to the contrary.
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On the Illinois State board they were speculating why MY didn't get around to taking an official visit there - MY's dad was a good player there back in the day. Some speculation/excuses like maybe he didn't want to compete for playing time (at Ill State???) or he didn't want to play in his dad's shadow. Finally, a guy chimed in with an answer which I used to give on this board when we would miss recruits - "Maybe he wants to play for a program that has been to the NCAA Tournament within the last 15 years." It's nice that we are now a program that has that to sell. It seems like the staff has done a good job capitalizing on our recent success. Recruits commit very quickly after visiting. DR, AB, MR and now MY all recent examples. The recruiting process is not dragging on like it used to and we are not regarded as a back-up option for recruits.
DR commits to us early rather than continuing to explore SEC options. MB commits shortly after his visit and cancels his planned visit to Creighton (where his parents attended), MR commits after his visit to LSU. MY commits after an offer from UNLV. In the past, it would seeme we were almost always on the losing end of those recruiting situations. Great job by JC and staff.
I don't think we're going to be complaining about not having big guards and wings for a long time. We'll find new things to complain about.
I was going to make the point about recruiting visits, but you beat me to it. It sure seems like getting a recruit to visit campus is the key. Whatever they are doing over there is working. I don't want to know what it is. I hope they keep their secret formula for recruiting visits secret. Just seems like several guys sign quickly after visiting. Hope they keep it up.
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Saying we only have the 1 scholarship for next season, what should be the focus position wise?
Power forward. We're set on guard and Center. Second choice would be another 3.
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Mark Lamping (M.B.A.) - Former President of the St. Louis Cardinals
Currently, President of the Jacksonville Jaguars
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I also hope that we schedule a few non-conference opponents for Saturday games on the road in big cities that are close enought to travel to. Some suggestions are: DePaul, Loyola Chigago, IUPUI, Butler, Memphis, and UMKC. I didn't include the obvious "we're too big to play you schools" on the list like Illinois, Purdue, Notre Dame, Indiana, Kentucky, or Louisville, although any of those would be fine as well.
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I am going to continue to say it ......
Embrace the experience.
Next year has the makings of a "situation"-type year. The year was when the current crop of seniors were freshmen. Majerus' ONLY losing season ever. I think it's going to be a developmental year complete with unexpected highs and unexpected lows. We'll win some games we should not,and we will lose some games we expected to win. Two reasons:
1) Five or six freshmen (with two or three of those being big men "projects" in Gillmann, Jolley and maybe Welmer) coupled with three relatively unknown sophomores (Lancona, Agbeko and Crawford), one kid coming off a sit-out year (Yacoubou),and two seniors (Manning and Glaze) with questionable (at best) productivity records to date,and
2) if you believe the pundits and accept that college is a guards' game, a large lack of experience and depth in our backcourt.
I embrace the experience because it will be fun just watching the kids develop.
+1 The joy in being a Billiken fan next year will come from seeing what these guys may become in a year or two. It will not come from seeing anything close to what we had last year.
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It appears from looking at the list that Chaifetz would have ranked much higher if it had (1) been dirtier, (2) contained more bench style seating, (3) had 1 or 2 misplaced balconies/terraces overlooking the floor for no particular reason, or (4) been used for a program no one has heard of (i.e. # 50 Grand Canyon University Arena).
This was actually the quote used to justify Missouri State's arena being placed at #48 "You will get a great seat with a cup holder, the scoreboard will give you all the relevant information you need, the food you purchase will be good and after the game you can walk to a sports bar to catch another game or two." If this doesn't describe your school's arena/gym, it should be torn down.
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As much as we may not want to believe this, it is quite possible that the BE just doesn't really want to or feel the need to expand anytime soon. Everyone on this board starts these conversations with the assumption that the BE wants to expand, and then tries to figure out why SLU hasn't been invited yet. I know this is not what everyone wants to hear, but there may never be an expansion of the BE.
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I guess if you ignore level of competition, field goal attempts, 3pt %, scouts' opinions of how a player would project against D1 competion, and focus only on points per game and ranking in a local publications all-metro HS team, then yeah...it's a bit of a mystery why we didn't offer the kid...but fortunately SLU's recruiting process is more sophisticated than yours.
Josh Robinson played for a St Mary's team that went 11-14 (4-4 in conference). He averaged 35 PPG, but he also averaged 25 (!) shots per game. To give you some perspective on how many shots that is, Michael Jordan averaged 25 shot attempts per game only twice in his NBA career - and keep in mind NBA games are 50% longer than HS games. Robinson took 48.5% of his teams shots on the year. He was playing against mostly lightweight and middleweight schools. He only shot 32% from 3. He committed to Austin Peay, with offers from SIUE, SEMO and Eastern Illinois.
Why not take a chance on him? That's why.
Gillman is 6'11 and had a nice season (averaging over 16 points and 9 rebounds and 3 blocks) for an Oakville team that went 19-8 (7-1 in conference) against mostly large schools.
Moreover, there is a scarcity of big men in college basketball. There are a handful of polished centers, and they are the easiest blue chip recruits for the Elite programs to key on. Every one else must recruit unpolished projects and develop them over several years in the program.
Bottom line: You only have 13 scholarships. You take chances on big men who you hope to develop. With guards you can be more selective.
+1. I was preparing to make the exact same argument you just made. Thank you for saving my time.
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What about a werewolf? WE NEED A GOTDAMN WEREWOLF ON THIS TEAM! And i'm more than a little pissed about the lack of discussion involving a werewolf recruit.
I don't know if this is racist or not, but no werewolves, please. They always seem to contribute early on, but then they get a big head and start taking all the shots. Next thing you know, the other guys on the team are getting upset at him, even though they used to be friends. Then one day, you're driving down Grand and you see the werewolf surfing the top of an old conversion van going the other direction.
Coach Crews, please do not recruit any werewolves. You're just asking for trouble with team chemistry.
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I walked into the new Dick's Sporting Goods near South County Mall just before the A-10 tournament to buy my kids some new baseball gloves. Right as we walked in, there was a big display (you had to walk around it to get into the store) that was completely made up of Billiken shirts and products. No Missouri or Illinois. It was not a display with half Billiken stuff and then some Duke and Kansas mixed in. It was 100% Billikens stuff. I about hit the floor.
In the past, I have been rather upset at other stores (Sports Authority and any others) that have poor Billiken selection mixed in with other, non-local schools as if they are saying that their confident that there are just as many Georgetown or Kentucky fans in town as SLU fans, so they better diversify.
Needless to say, I will be patronizing Dick's SPORTING GOODS (before anyone tries to make a joke) in the future.
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I have lived in the SF Bay Area since graduating from SLU Law School in 1985. The Bay Area has 2 Pac-12 schools (Stanford and Cal) and 3 WCC schools (USF, Santa Clara, and St. Mary's), with a new 4th school (UOP aka Pacific) in nearby Stockton.
When I first moved here, Gonzaga was little more than a WCC middler. There is no way, in my opinion, that Gonzaga, even now, located in Spokane, Washington, on the Other Side of Washington State, opposite Seattle, would be a consistently successful member of the Pac-12 Conference.
Eventually, the Football money going to the other schools would make it very difficult for Gonzaga to be a consistent winner in the Pac-12.
And it would never happen anyway. Led by Cal, the Pac-12 has no interest in being affiliated with a religious based school. That is the primary reason that BYU is not in the Pac-12 right now.
It also amuses me when I read the proclamations from On High at that NBE www.holylandofhoops.net website about the merits of the inclusion of Gonzaga in the New Big East. The logistics of getting to Spokane, Washington would be nightmarish for the Olympic sports, and a virtual impossibility for Gonzaga sports other than Men's Basketball, traveling both eastward and southward across 2 or 3 time zones. Gonzaga is better than Butler overall and over time, and the WCC is a better league overall than Butler's old Horizon League, but the two are very similar. Those people don't seem to realize that even Gonzaga's new Kennel, still seats only 6,000.
There was a time in the recent conference dominos that Texas and Oklahoma, along possibly with their appendages, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech (if Texas and OU had their way over the Pac-12 wants) were thought to be Pac-12 bound. But someone in Austin finally figured out how many Texas teams would be playing games 2 time zones, meaning 2 hour time difference, away in the Pacific Time Zone. There is a big land expanse East of Reno and West of Salt Lake City or Denver, take your pick.
I agree/am willing to concede the idea that academics have appeared to play a role in conference affiliation in the past. I certainly can't deny it. If we can agree that this has been a consideration, then I would have to agree that it may play into the decision making process for SLU both on SLU's part and on the BE's part.
However, I don't see why it has been such a big deal to schools in the past. This year, we almost beat Wisconsin on a neutral site. Did it matter what their academic philosophies were compared to ours? Did it matter, when we played them, that they are a big state school and we were a smaller private school? If we were in a conference with them, would any of those things matter? Had we won the Wisconsin game, these factors wouldn't have made any difference to how folks viewed that win and what it did for our tournament resume.
I totally agree with KShoe, if you are a college basketball program of any relevance, the NCAA tournament is what matters, not whether you are alligned with similar schools in your conference. If you can put yourself in a league of completely different schools than yours from the standpoint of academics, athletic budgets, facilities, etc., and you compete in that conference and being in that conference puts you in the best position to participate in and do well in the NCAA tournament, you would value being in that conference much more than you would being in a conference of like-minded institutions that don't give you the same competition.
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I don't question that SLU getting into the Big 10 or ACC is completely unrealistic. However, I still cannot see any reason that if it did happen, we wouldn't be able to be a successful member of either league, simply because we are a different type of school from their schools.
Here's an example: Does anyone think Gonzaga wouldn't be a successful member of the Pac-12 simply because the rest of the league would be big state schools and the Zags are from a smaller Jesuit school? I don't.
I guarantee that Georgetown would accept an invitation to join the ACC as a non-football member. I promise you that Marquette would join the Big 10 as a non-football member. None of the alumni at those schools would entertain any sort of debate about whether or not to join, if invited, over a concern that they are leaving a conference with similar programs for one with dissimilar programs.
So the question is, why do so many people on this board have the opinion that this is a terribly important consideration?
Also, SLUDevil, I just don't buy your argument that Division 1 college athletic conferences have any concern about academic collaboration or sharing of ideas. It has been proven over and over again that college athletic conferences only concern is making money for and bringing prestige to its member institutions. The academic collaboration and sharing of ideas concept is the biggest lie told by the Big 10 Conference for the past several decades.
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Straight up, who would you take:
Archie or Jim Crews?
What would the answer have been three weeks ago? Should three wins from a team that got hot at the right time make a difference? I actually think it should have some effect, but I would still take Crews' track record over the last two years over falling in love with what Miller has done in the last 10 days.
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I agree with everyone's comments about the BE, and realizing that Louisville and Rutgers are already gone, and that UConn & Cinci want out, I have to agree that the BE is the best fit, with A-10 being a close second. The only reason A-10 is a close second is because of how bad the BE was this year, and the potential to become even worse (Villanova regresses to its mean, Creighton falls due to its losses, and rest of league stays the same).
Now to stir things up more: WHY DOES IT MATTER THAT SLU IS IN A LEAGUE WITH SIMILAR SCHOOLS???? I have heard this a lot and cannot for the life of me figure out why this matters. Would we turn down an invitation to the ACC or the Big 10 because they are all big state schools and we are a smaller sized Jesuit school? I seriously doubt it. Please don't argue the football schools vs. non-football schools issue. I know that football has driven the recent conference allignment frenzy, but that's going to happen regardless.
My opinion is that if we find a league that has the best prestige, allows SLU to optimize recruiting, and funnels the most money into athletic department/general fund, I could care less if the league is composed of mid-sized, urban, Jesuit institutions. If that optimal league happens to be made of mid-sized, urban, Jesuit institutions, fine. But someone please explain to me why that matters and why people keep raising that flag as part of our consideration.
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Is that any better than X, Marquette, Creighton, and Butler? I don't think so.
I don't disagree, but CIncinnati and Memphis will be better than all four of the teams you just mentioned for the foreseeable future. Creighton will suffer a huge drop off next season and the other three aren't showing many signs of improvement. You should have left Butler off the list in the same way you left off DePaul, because that program has dropped into the same level of irrelevenancy.
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In terms of common interests and similarity of mission the NBE schools are a perfect match for SLU. The AAC has no schools like us and we would be a terrible fit.
I agree completely. I guess I'm still pissed off that we're not already in the BE.
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I had forgotten about Louisville leaving when I started this thread. So I guess we'd be talking about Memphis and Cincinnati as the regional rivals.
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I'm not saying this would happen, but what if SLU and Dayton got invitations to join the AAC as non-football members. Would that be a better conference for us than the BE?
It was clear that he BE wasn't anything special this year. The big boys in the AAC seem better positioned and respected than the top teams in the BE right now. We could satisfy our need for closer regional rivals with Memphis, Louisville, and Cincinnati. It'd be great to reestablish some of those rivalries. Can anyone argue that we would have stronger rivalries with Marquette, DePaul, Butler and Xavier than we would with Memphis, Louisville and Cincinnati. On top of that, add games with Uconn to the mix.
You could argue that we could make a slightly positive impact on recruiting by having conference road games in Florida (USF & UCF) and Texas (Houston & SMU) simply by allowing our coaches to be down in those areas a few times a year. Also, wouldn't there be some recruits that would be happier knowing that not all of their conference games will be played in the cold-ass northeast every January, February and March.
Again, I'm not saying its likely or that I would be in favor of it, but what does everyone think?
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As we look towards next season we have to speculate on how good of a team we will have. I was thinking about Ash and how much he will contribute next year. I like to look at player production based on the actual production from when that player played. Here are Ash's stats from last year at Villanova based on 40 minutes of play versus some of the Billikens this year and their stats based on 40 minutes of play.
2012 - 2013 (40 minutes)
Ash – 9.8 points, 2.9 Turnovers, 0.1 Block, 1.1 Steals, 1.8 Assists, 8.7 Rebounds, 3P% .396, 2P% .462, FT .500
2013 - 2014 (40 minutes)
Crawford – 10.7 points, TO 2.4, Block 0.0, Steals .9, Assists 2.2, RB 3.1, 3P% . 429, 2P% - .364, FT% .714
Jett – 17.6 points, TO 3.6, Block 0.7, Steals 1.9, Assists 6.1, Rebound 5.1, 3P% .189, 2P% .526, FT .600
McBroom – 13.6 points, TO 2.5, Block 0.1, Steals 1.3, Assists, 3.1, RB 3.6, 3P% .349, 2P% .357, FT .903
McCall – 13.1 points, TO 1.7, Block 0.1, Steals 1.8, Assists 3.1, RB 5.1, 3P% .321, 2P% .471, FT .756
Barnett – 7.8 points, TO 1.7, Block 0.4, STL 1.4, AST 1.8, RB 4.7, 3P% .312, 2P% .407, FT .583
Ash was a sophomore last year, so if we compare his sophomore stats to those of Jett, McCall, and McBroom and their sophomore seasons you get:
Sophomore Seasons (40 minutes)
Ash – 9.8 points, 2.9 Turnovers, 0.1 Block, 1.1 Steals, 1.8 Assists, 8.7 Rebounds, 3P% .396, 2P% .462, FT .500
McBroom – 13.6 points, TO 2.5, Block 0.1, Steals 1.3, Assists, 3.1, RB 3.6, 3P% .349, 2P% .357, FT .903
McCall – 12.2 points, TO 2.1, Block 0.1, Steals 2.2, Assists 3.8, RB 3.2, 3P% .348, 2P% .490, FT .755
Jett – 11.7 points, TO 2.4, Block 0.4, Steals 2.1, Assists 3.8, Rebound 5.0, 3P% .333, 2P% .477, FT .625
For whatever reason, I had thought his stats were a little better than this. He averaged 12 minutes a game last season and played in 31 games. He is a big 6'4" guard which is great. He will be a fourth year Junior and will probably see significant time next season.
Great information. I actually expect Ash's number to be better, because I believe he will be one of the focal points of our offense. When he got his limited minutes at Villanova, I suspect that the situation didn't give him the confidence to make full use of his offensive talents. Next season, I believe that Crews and the staff will put a lot of faith in Ash, giving him the confidence to show everyone what he really can do. It seems to me that he never had that at Villanova.
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Why should it be?
The lying on resume part I get. I don't get why him having a degree is so important. His college experience obviously prepared him to be successful in his chosen profession without the degree. Is getting the degree going to make him somehow more qualified?
Most programs have a requirement that the head coach be a college graduate. The purpose behind it is to show that they are serious about their athletes obtaining a degree. Having a coach who didn't think getting a degree was important enough for himself sends a message to the kids he is coaching. Whether you agree with this prerequisite or not, that's the reasoning.
Recruiting - 2016
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There is no better authority on what SLU needs to do to recruit local high school talent than Justin Tatum. Think about it. He was a local high school recruit who went through the recruiting process and chose SLU. He is a high school coach of a very talented program full of Division 1 recruits. He is a parent of high level recruit that SLU is after.
Justin has experienced the recruiting process, and specifically SLU recruiting, from every pertinent angle. You could argue that he may be one of the best authorities on what players, parents, and high school coaches consider when going through recruitment. The coaching staff should take everything he says to heart. Heck, they should ask Justin to give the staff a seminar on local recruiting. If Justin says that our coaches are not attending enough practices and games, then they should attend more. I don't care if we don't think we have a shot at a kid. Show up and show his teammates and coach that we're fighting for that kid. Even if the kid goes to Florida or Kentucky, at least we send a message to other kids that we're in the game.
Also, if Justin, should he be made an assistant coach for the Billikens, would bring his son and several other very talented local players to SLU over the next few years, Coach Crews needs to make that move. We've had and have guys with connections in Australia, Wisconsin, Indiana, etc. Maybe its time to get someone with a recruiting connection in St. Louis.