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First of all....the IU sucks stuff isn't what I was hoping for ....for people involved in this new fan group. I have MUCH higher expectations for cleverness and class.
Second....any MLS team or future team with plans of new stadium would have to build a MINIMUM 20k seater....25-30k may even be more like it.
If STL received a team...they could play virtually anywhere for a very very brief 1-2 year period etc....while constructing a new stadium. Who cares where that would be??? What matters is building a stadium, for the long permanent home. I don't understand on all these forums etc...what about SLU? etc....The team would play at a temporary site for a very brief time. It isn't a big deal.
The ONLY long term solution is a soccer specific stadium 20-30k seats....end of story....and temproarily they could play in someon'e backyard(kidding of course) for all I care.
I have doubts they will get the 08 team...though very possible....and they may have to wait a few more years.....but it is only a matter of time for STL to get a team...will it be in two years or 5-6 ...? We'll see.
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Nobody said SLU was scum etc....blah blah ...all in your head...it is all psychologically in your head. And the head of a few. Most of the time when somebody comes here to flame from another school....I ignore them, and they go away.....occasionally and rarely I may challenege them, but usually prefer their quiet and quick exit. And ignoring is best way.
When people come for other means...I enjoy other fans from other schools when they come in peace. And you wil see that I usually engage them from time to time from many different schools.
You are obsessed over Marquette and Mizzou...in a negative way...and that is fine and that is your deal....but it isn't mine...
Look at all of the many many times a Mizzou thread comes up...most of the time it is childlike stuff with no substance...so I ignore...sometimes when it is more worthwhile about players, teams etc...I will chime in with thoughts. Unfortunately most are not high quality threads.
Notice how I posted about U of I's Sergio McClain....and the rercruiting region for SLU etc...the other day....No wild responses from anyone...but had I posted something regarding one of the other schools, it would have received at minimum...."This isn't the ...fill in your school" board.....or some sort of flame.
It's really too bad. (sigh.)
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>however, you NEVER fail to come to the rescue of good ole
>marquette.
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>you can claim all the objectivity in the world, but
>objectivity and marquette obviously doesnt work for you in
>the same breath. deny it all you want, but i am not the
>only one that has indeed pointed that out to you.
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>i enjoy your other posts tremendously though. and i still
>dont see how these other two guys showing up only on
>marquette issues (lawman and yourself excluded) isnt a
>little strange. i dont see most of us at other teams sites
>correcting regulars there about their opinions of the
>billikens.
I decided to re-read the thread Roy to see if my opinion would change...out of thouroughness and objectivity.....it hasn't. I found no need to post on this thread or many other Marquette threads. I only posted to point out to you something from a recent past issue. As far as posters coming over....that stuff happens all the time....on every message board. You have to be kidding me. My point is....you posted in this thread ripping these people and that negativity and lack of objectivity will carry with you to future posts, or to other posters...yeah all those (insert team name here) fans suck...I hate them, that school etc...arrogant bleeps....blah blah.....and I am wiling to bet there are good and bad fans at every school. ......point is...it isn't accurate in this case.
A guy comes, posts an article relevant to SLU fans as a courtesy....end of story....then a few posts occurred about that school etc...as I am sure some Marquette fans are lurking to read this board for Stemler info...and they respond....I recognize MU88 from many past posts on this board btw......now if they came as flame jerks like that one Flyerphan or whatever his name is...that would be another story and I wouldn't have posted one thing.
I cannot possibly understand how you could have made your first post in this thread in the manner you did considering the previous posts in this thread.
And you aren't the only fan on here with dislike for Marquette, Missouri and a few other schools...so I am sure some fans would feel the same as you....doesn't make them accurate or correct, or well informed. Most however don't have this issue.
I can guarantee you ...you have never nor will you see me post a blanket statement over a topic instead of examining individual parts...etc...and in this instance I saw no issues, or interest, or need to post...excpt when you did to point out an issue.
Actually it would have been better of me to actually post to thank the guy for dropping off the article.
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I can't remember if I posted this or not....but Indiana defeated the World Champion Under 17 Mexico team 2-0 in a wild raucous atmosphere spring game which was attended by almost 6000.
...btw...MLS Commissioner Garber said this week that he is still in talks with investors for an expansion St. Louis team, and it is very clear and understood that they would be building a new stadium in exchange for the rights to a team.
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These guys came n here because both Marquette and SLU have been recruiting the same player. It is off-season etc...so somebody stops by to probably read this board for info on Stemler, ....that person has a subscription article and posts it as a courtesy. Simple....end of discussion.
I post all the time on a wide arrange of topics....when I speak of other topics and other teams....it doesn't get the attention as would a Mizzou, Marquette etc....I still don't really get it nor care...I suppose because SLU and Marquette played in the same conference for a while and are both jesuit schools...that has sparked some sort of animosity....or perhaps it was some sort of personal experience.
Nobody respeonded to my post regarding Arkansas and Patrick Beverly yesterday....nobody respeonds to posts about Georgetown or BC or whomever.....only a few schools that some posters don't like for various reasons.
I posted some Philly stuff a while back, but only Taj was interested....etc...Only the Bay Area Billiken and Alameda Bob seem interested in the Bay area stuff....and so on.....there isn't an animosity.
Just because I don't bash Mizzou or Marquette or whoever else on this board it apparently bothers you. I speak objectively on here...in fact I didn't quite understand the Acker recruitment for Marquette when they need an inside player and an immeidate shooter....now with one spot left they can't have both. And I didn't understand when B-law thought Marquette would be well serviced with Amoroso as an inside player this year. .....
Nobody seemed interested in discussing Shan Foster or Carroll from Vanderbilt....this week....etc...so therefore the point is for you and for some other posters, objectivity isn't allowed when it comes to some teams you don't like.
Sure there may be things or decisions or people I don't like at Mizzou...but I don't feel the need for the dollar signs or misery child like posts....it isn't what I do.
I don't have to do cartwheels on this board to be a Billiken fan...and because I don't just sit here and flame or be a negative troll either...it sits just fine with me.
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Actually I don't make four. But the guy comes here and posts a pay subscription article for free about a recruit SLU is trying to get....perhaps...thanks would have been a more appropriate respeonse?
I merely posted to illustrate that under zero circumstances you can handle any objectivity regarding some teams....and I in particular chose this one from one of our previous discussion to further illustrate that point.
We'll just agree to disagree. I don't like the childish, boorish, acros the board juvenile hall comments as opposed to individual base objectivity on pretty much anything. Or writing Missouri with dollar signs or when people spell it misery....stuff like that regardless of school is something I expect from the teeneagers. I think it lacks maturity and education. just my opinion.
....nothing wrong with being funny and joking around....all for it...but too many angry, across the board flamers out there for no reason to encourage them.
You are entitled to your off base comments and opinions. Bbut think about it....somebody comes to this board and posts a subscription recruiting article as a head's up to SLU fans about a possible recruit.....other posts ensue respectfully...and you are one of few with any problems or issues...based only that it is a school that for reasons unbeknown to many ...you don't like. These people weren't nasty, arrogant, high and mighty etc...
I am not going to change my objectivity when I post...so call it what you want...you can actually be gasp a SLU fan and be objective. When warranted I make positive or negative comments on anything, when not, I don't.
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>three marquette fans in one string so worried about how we
>view marquette that they apparently monitor our board on a
>regular basis and feel the need to tell us how superior they
>are. they obviously feel threatened.
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>thanks marquette fans.
Ahh Roy...you are finding actual Marquette fans to fight with...good step up for you. The first guy simply posted an updated recruiting article on Marquette. Then after people posted anti-Marquette sentiments, the follow ups were nothing more than providing facts and links etc...to the discussion.
Somehow it all gets lumped in that they are arrogant high and mighty etc.....when in actuality it is YOU who has some sort of strange infatuation with that school. People post all the time on every other school without incident. And no Marquette isn't alone in your anti-sentiments.....these guys were/are obviously Marquette fans, but they didn't come to flame the board.
Whether it is Mizzou, Marquette etc...a lack of objectivity clouds thoughts. And that's too bad.
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Patrick Beverly of Marshall High School that eliminated DM's Edwardsville team this year, committed to Arkansas.
And Sergio McClain accepted head coaching position of new ABA expanasion team in Peoria
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tough to beat that one. He wasn't going to be the man over stud Shan Foster at Vandy.
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>courtside and slu72, you are wrong on juco. there is a huge
>difference between a lot of privates like slu and marquette
>vs the big public schools with far more majors that enable
>the juco and mid college players to slide into. that is a
>fact.
Exactly my point....SLU is NOT the only school with challenges when it comes to incoming frosh, transfers or jucos....there are many others out there as well...and Roy was kind enough to name one. Thanks Roy.
I tire of SLU is Harvard on here. Plenty of other schools with rules and standards and regulations have success on and off the court.....that was my point. People need to stop crying and making excuses.....I was getting tired of 68's repeat posting of this so I vented out to him, nothing personal....I do not hold the belief that SLU is higher and mightier than most when it comes to recruiting.
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Director of Basketball operations is a low level assistant job....often around the country filled by ex players from that particular team or another team. After spending a year or a few years in this role, many leave to go to a different, likely less competitive hoops school to move up the assitant coaching ladder at worse hoops program, or at best, similar, practice etc... From what I have seen, some are former players at that school who played in Europe or somehwere and are finished playing and want to get into coaching...some are straight out of college getting feet wet(Sloan)....etc...usually entails running summer camps, admin duties etc... It is entirely possible to stay at same place and after a few years or several years move up coaching ladder spots at one school, although from what I have seen it isn't as common as moving on to somewhere else to get other experience up the ladder. Most have very little coaching experience.
Drew Diener for example is Director of Basketball operations at UVA, and started as one year hs assistant in Chciago before his year at DePaul under Leitao and now with him at UVA. He will either move along somewhere else in a few years for more responsibility and money.....or try to move up with Leitao based on opportunity. Obviously if opportunity is there to stay somehwere like that everybody would....often times the individual goes elsewhere for a while to move up.
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I do see a constant repeated theme in your posts about SLU's academics referenced in many different ways ....etc....SLU is a good school, a top 100 national university, but it isn't Harvard, for example and not close. There are MANY high quality D-I programs out there with similar academic standards to SLU.
Can we please stop with the academic excuse as to why it is tougher for SLU?
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Talent at Boys To Men: 10 Division I prospects
April 14, 2006
BY TAYLOR BELL
While he was coaching for eight years at Julian, Loren Jackson always was excited when colleges recruited his best players -- Lance Williams, Watari Marsh, Demario Eddins, Brandon Ewing, Watra Banks, T.J. Gray, Jason McKinnon, Lorenzo Eckford, Ousmane Barro and Sean Dockery.
But his experience at Julian was never like this, not the way it is after his first season at Boys To Men Academy, a South Side prep school that boasts at least 10 Division I prospects.
"The word is out that we have a nationally known program and people want to schedule us,'' Jackson said. "We accomplished a lot in one year. A lot of players got better, athletically and academically.''
Jackson left Julian and founded Boys To Men last year. One reason was he felt too many inner-city youngsters weren't being prepared academically for college and were losing scholarship opportunities.
His first team finished 33-9 and won the National Christian Invitational Tournament in Erie, Pa. Next season, Boys To Men will play teams in Florida, California, Georgia and Mississippi. It also will participate in a new conference, the Midwest Prep Conference, with teams from Ohio, Michigan and Indiana. It also will compete in national tournaments in Boone, N.C., and Dayton, Ohio, and host some events at a new site.
Here is a rundown on Boys To Men's prospects:
Thijin Moses: The 6-7 senior from Canada is being recruited by DePaul, Bradley, Cincinnati, Toledo, Fairfield and Wisconsin-Green Bay. If he were in high school, he would rank among the top 100 players in the nation, according to recruiting analyst Bob Gibbons.
Xavier Crawford: The 7-foot senior from Durham, N.C., is committed to Bradley. "He has tremendous upside. His best basketball is in front of him,'' Jackson said.
Manuel Cass: The 6-7 senior from Carbondale likely will attend The Winchendon School in Massachusetts next fall. But Cass, who led Carbondale to second place in the 2005 Class AA tournament, then dropped out of school because of personal issues, said he will honor his earlier commitment to DePaul.
Jackson said that despite a published quote to the contrary, Cass is not reclassifying because of poor academics.
"He's doing very well,'' Jackson said. "Manny is 17 years old and wants to work on his perimeter skills and improving his grades.''
Darion Anderson: The 6-2 senior guard from Carver is committed to Northern Illinois.
Mac Koshwal: The 6-9 junior from Canada, who ranks among the top 25 prospects in the nation, has attracted interest from Illinois, DePaul, Marquette, Michigan and Miami (Fla.). He averaged 18 points and 15 rebounds last season. Gibbons predicts he will be one of the most widely recruited players in the country after the spring and summer evaluation period.
Craig Brackins: The 6-10 junior forward from California, who has three-point shooting range, is being recruited by DePaul, Washington, California, Washington State and Iowa State.
Michael Glover: The 6-6, 210-pound junior from Bronx, N.Y., lists DePaul, St. John's, Providence and Rutgers on his shopping list.
Michael Tuitt: The 6-4 junior guard from Bronx, N.Y., is being recruited by Manhattan, Hofstra, Fairfield and Mid-American Conference schools.
Marcus Relphorde: The 6-6 reclassified junior from Homewood-Flossmoor, who attended Millersburg (Ky.) Military Academy last year, has attracted interest from DePaul, California, Washington and Big East schools.
Jeremiah Kelly: The 6-foot sophomore point guard from Julian has been offered a scholarship by Northern Iowa and also is being recruited by Virginia Tech and Xavier.
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Some samples....Chicago's is $95 million, Colorado $130 million, L.A. $150 million....Utah proposing $60 million....Columbus hs probably the cheapest one. Dallas $80 million.
It depends on what else the complex will contain etc..and how big.
Most of the stadiums are in the 20-25k seat range, with dozens of youth fields and otehr thing going on.....concerts etc...
St. Louis would be looking at one more in its medium city expense range south of 100m I would imagine.
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The MLS team would temprorarily play somewhere else, but in order for St. Louis or anybody ele to get a team, they would need to have plans for a new stadium. People are way too focused on where they would play for 1-2 seasons which in long haul matters less.
Skip,....soccer specific stadiums vary. Columbus was about the range you say, but it is bare bones....important for being first one, but not what future ones will be. Now people are building the soccer stadiums with dozens of youth fields and other multipurpose stuff around it....Dallas was $80 million. L.A.....which has many many other things too, tennis stadium and other sports etc...was well into the 100's....nobody else will hit that range.
I would think 75m....would be more like it.
If St. Louis gets a team they building a new soccer specific stadium, or they won't be getting a new team. Checketss is in process of getting one done in Utah. Kroneke's in going up in Denever, Hunt partially funded Dallas' complex. etc...the days of hadning out teams to cities who do not have plans for near future soccer stadiums are over.
St. Louis wouldn't be in the final two if all of these topics hadn't been discussed a long time ago.
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Theoretically....if you are not a good team or strong program, you recruit the best players possible regardless of position. When you establish more than that you start recruiting more for need, and even then if a great opportunity comes along you adjust.
As for offering players...ignoring the above players....very few programs can only offer a small amount of players for spots on their teams....SLU and other similar schools and even much stronger programs, have to offer many more people than they would like....as the program builds, you can lower than # a little bit....but it also depends on whom you are offering....it is a tough business ....recruiting...how many people you offer and whom.....the amount is usually much much mroe people than spots available.
I am not commenting on any of the above posts...and specifics...
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See my post in the other thread. While I often don't agree with some of the negativity here, they can say what they like.
I do know that there needs to be a lot of improvements with production, ...and also the games need to be more of an event and not just a game of soccer if you want to draw more fans and students. That is not needed for me, but it would be naive to think otherwise.
I personally believe there is a lot to do. If you need ideas or supports you can always pm me.
I certaily hope you have a strong relationship with some of those people or are building one....etc....and listen to some of the better ideas being thrown out there. etc...
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Nick Walls is a great example....of expectations. He was very ordinary his first 3 seasons at SLU and had a terrific senior season. I highly doubt Patterson comes anywhere near Walls' speed unless he had a dramatic transformation. I saw Walls play home and road games, a lot...and he really parlayed his senior season into MLS project stuff with Chicago Fire and elsewhere. His biggest asset was his speed.
There aren't very many recruits who come in as Frosh and dominate. It just doesn't happen often. Ibisevic etc...are exceptions.
There is an adjustment period where good recruits get playing time and expereince and imporve the following season.
None of the back line players mentioned have enough speed for my defensive tastes...Benne's best season was his Frosh year so far. Guffey needs to be dramatically improved as does Gasparovic etc...for SLU to be anything more than ordinary in back. I look for people like Ream to immediately get time in back over some veteran players.....Aranda will get time early etc....when you don't lose much and miss NCAA's....newcomers will get chances to get time....the hope is that they can adjust early...and that some of the returning players step up their game....Grazier, Hemzagic etc....for SLU to make a run at NCAA berth.
I am not expecting Holmes to make a big impact at all in year one. ...if he gets off of the bench...SLU needs highly creative people around him for him to succeed. Because finishers are needed, he will get every opportunity early.
I'll just take a return visit to NCAA this season.....then perhaps down the road worry about actually winning a game or two in it.
I think it is good for Disbennett to get pushed in goal for time.
This year's recruiting class is very solid for SLU.
And yes they go after the best possible players each year. The pressure is on DD, and he knows it.
...comes down to getting results early again...as usual...have to get early season reults at IU and SCU tourneys....and winning league and conf tourney...no slips ups...the A-10 is not a respected soccer league...gotta win it...outright and conf title and mix in some early season results if SLU wants any post-season games at home.
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If you stop by Scout or any of the Marquette boards, apparently this writer is "the devil."....a hack that is wrong 100% of the time and hates Marquette and Crean etc....so I am not sure how much stock I would put in this writer. Not sure. ....if it came from somewhere else I would be more comfortable with the information. One kid even posted on their forum a direct exchange with this writer and it was pretty scary. Who knows?
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Yes my bad about the Dukies...but prior to that SLU was playing more ACC teams ...Wake Forest, Clemson, UVA etc...
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thx.
The SEC doesn't field men's soccer teams and neither does the Big 12. ...only women.
SLU plays IU and SMU every year in a home and home series....so when SLU plays in one of their tourneys or one of those team's plays in a SLU tourney, SLU avoids playing IU or SMU in tourney play to get an extra game against an extra opponent.
This is second year in a row no ACC teams on schedule if that is the case. UConn is Donigan's alma mater, and a great soocer school, as is Sanata Clara.
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I would make sure your group has strong relations with LEvick and staff as priority one.
Build relationships with Danny Donigan and Mike sorber as well.
Contact some people at IU, Uconn etc...Sam's Army and see why there soccer cheering sections are successful.
Have a designated area at games for your group and have good signage. Have merchandise for sale at games and SLU bookstore.
Have a website readily available where people can go to get more info...and have this website available at games and all over campus, as to who and what your group is....
Aggressively seek better production of games themselves from Levick and company.....
sound....there should be non-stop pre-game, during game, half-time, post game of combo of band playing, and music piped in for fans and players.
Cross marketing with other SLU sports teams, hoops of course but not just hoops. Reward fans for attending more games. Not just big ones.
I would make your BIG level ideas or presence at a big game or two...i.e. IU etc...where they wil be huge crowds and much more visibilty for you and your group to maximize exposure and repeat business.
The Athletic Dept needs better and more promotions.....your group would be well served to work with student govt and other organziations at school for visibility, for signage...to attract fans.
Attempt to attract multiple types of fans....the frat dudes, the bookworms...etc....most games are Fri night and Sun afternoon....merely a pit stop on the frat drinking train...or nice way to get out for a couple hours from 7:30pm-9:30pm on a Fri night or Sun afternoon.
Sell the quality of the level of play. Sell the tradition, distant past, but also recent past where more younger folks can relate as well. Both.....lots of former national championships...and lots of current ex Billikens playing professionally.
Get the hoops fans to come to games......a natural.
ASK ASK ASK for more more more from Levick and staff, and everyone else....
Don't exclude anyone who wants to be involved.
Pre-game/post-game events...concerts, tailgating etc....the game itself has to be a two hour can't miss event regardless of opponent. Work with those people above constantly. And don't be afraid to input ideas and ask for more with them.
Those would be a few to start.
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I said on the other board I would try to find out more about St. Louis efforts for MLS expansion team. This is from a good source but they stressed to me that it is not 100% guaranteed info, so take it for what it is worth....but I am hearing Hunt Sports Group, as in Lamar Hunt who owns 3 MLS teams, and the KC Chiefs. Hunt is huge soccer booster as many know for decades. He put KC Wizards up for sale in 2004 and they still sit up for sale.
St. Louis would be getting expansion team, not the Wizards. Hunt also owns Columbus Crew and Dallas Burn, and Hunt's group....sports and capital group provided much of the fiunding for the gorgeous new soccer stadium in Dallas...part of reasons he was allotted the team.
I have no other specific info other than to say I have heard that Hunt's group has some sort of involvement ...minor or major...don't know. Is Hunt Sports Group, which is part of Hunt Capital....etc...merely an adviser or active participant, I don't know. Will Checketts be involved? etc...don't know.
I do know that MLS commissioner Garber announced recently that in next 60 days an expansion team for 2008 will be announced and it will either be in Cleveland or St. Louis.
So combo of Stan Kroenke, Lamar Hunt, Dave Checketts, all owners of MLS teams and new stadiums for soccer....would get a lot done for STL.
....also...on SLU's website yet another soccer recuit article from the kid from Texas.
soccer folks....
in Billikens.com Main Board
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I will be unable to attend Sat...please give report...wish it was Fri instead.
As far as fandom etc...SLU fans could learn a thing or two from IU's fans, and also their success over recent past history. I have no problem with fun jabs at schools. But if you don't have a healthy respect for IU soccer...
And it doesn't have anything to do with game rowdiness etc...it is one thing to be rowdy, clever, poke fun...etc...but in conversation, IU is what SLU aspires to be right now....more consistent and a notch above.
As for MLS....sure ideally anywhere near downtown would be wonderful and a first choice.......and while I am not a big fan of it being across the river....as long as it is across the river as in very close to downtown, and not say 30 minutes out...I have no problem with it....people need to get over the IL v MO thing...and welcome the area as in a Philly/S Jersey....are a part of Philly as example.....the near East side needs something positive to expand the downtown area attractions beyond gambling boats and strip clubs.
And yes all of the above fields mentioned Sportport etc...are disastrous at best.