Doubleday
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16 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said:
Link to auction? I've looked everywhere and it appears that you have to have a double secret super donor link. Another fail from the marketing department
I've been told by guys at Chaifetz that marketing is done by students and that they are learning that's why it's so hit and miss.
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3 minutes ago, Tilkowsky said:
They have turned it around I understand.
The program isn't big enough to merit a better baseball facility.
The money can't just appear.
It has to come from somewhere.
.How many Division I programs are as good as SLU's. Plenty.
Honestly I think Chaiftez is a downgrade from Scottrade.
If SLU ever really got good in basketball again, their arena and lack of tickets would be a downside.
It's a division one program! Division one! If SLUH down the road has a better baseball field than the college that's an embarrassment and an epic fail. Chaifetz is much nicer than Scottrade. I'm sorry but MBB didn't fill the arena like you think even when they were going to NCAA with majerus running the show. Ford's teams will be better but they haven't done anything just yet. It's the perfect size. How do other schools raise money? You assume because people at SLU can't raise money, then it can't be done at all and that's just the way it is. Wow.
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3 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said:
By your logic SLU basketball should have never gotten Chaifetz. Chicken/egg
Spot on.
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5 minutes ago, Tilkowsky said:
SLU's Baseball team unfortunately isn't good enough to merit a better field.
Haven't they won the A-10 League title the past two years? Nice. But that isn't going to excite a lot of people.
Getting to the College World Series might excite some people but SLU would have to do it a couple of years in a row to build some momentum.
Merit a field? The fact that program is even competitive in a private school environment like SLU is a miracle in itself! That field is terrible and I'll bet in last ten years baseball has best winning percentage of any other program in that span. Not certain but if I had to bet money I'd say that's true. Again you have a well run program, and a dump next to Chaifetz. SLU should do it out of pride if anything else.
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3 minutes ago, Bobby Metzinger said:
Doesn't surprise me about the batting cages; SLU had received a financial contribution in the form of an elongated batting apparatus net from former MLBer (and Belleville native) Brian Daubach when his brother Brad played here. In a bit of irony, I believe the younger Daubach was injured when a ball went through the netting of said cage, striking him. A lot of bad breaks for Bob Hughes' Bills.
Stories like this one drive home the point. It just seems like SLU just can't get its act together and just hopes men's basketball is good, makes the tournament and that's good enough. Seems to be overall approach and it's just sad. Too many people care and donate money to have it wasted. Plus we never talk about the students experience. Funny story about the cages. Are those the same cages that are over on left field side of field now? Again another crap project and eye sore. Thanks for the insight, just wish SLU could get it together one day.
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1 hour ago, prebilliken said:
I love this entire thread, I mean that in all sincerity, it shows people care.
05 is right, our baseball field could be so much nicer with minor improvements that would cost in the low thousands. You don't need a minor league stadium, but an eyesore, regardless of the cost, is unacceptable. Furthermore, the Baseball Bills have put an increasingly improved product on the field, they deserve love. Remove those rickety stands, replace them with bleachers that feature plastic seats, brick them in to make them match the facade of the Chaifetz. Build a brick stand to sell beer and hot dogs, students will come if there is beer involved.
SLU's soccer stadium reflects its status as a soccer power, it has come and gone. And if you don't think a nice field with a good team would put people in the seats, go see a Creighton game. That's not a school with Louisville's budget, its a school with a smaller student population than ours. For God's sake, Brian Mc-f-ing-Bride's "Jersey" is retired next to a US Bank ad. Its pathetic.
05 is also right that all of this falls on May's shoulders. He lacks vision, he lacks bold thinking, don't even mention funding, what he does with our current merchandising strategy, outreach, facilities, is a shame, he can't improve his current situation rather let alone forge forward.
Louisville is a bad example, I have been on a ton of college campuses and their facilities rank among Oregon, Notre Dame, and believe it or not Arkansas, as the finest sport to sport portfolio I have seen in college stadia. But SLU has this GORGEOUS part of campus that people rarely frequent for athletic events because they are dumps.
Something to remember too, bigger isn't always better, if you knocked down the visitors bleachers at Hermann to have a nicer main stand, that was always filled, wouldn't it be more pleasing? Then you could take that space gained and make room for the bricked in stands at the baseball stadium. The flow of stadiums looking into the Chaifetz on the hill and the downtown skyline makes for great vies.
This isn't that hard, May just isn't bold enough to do it.
You really did a much better job articulating what I was trying to from the beginning . SLU needs facilities that are really nice, not gigantic stadiums and well thought out across the board. The skyline, next to the arena is awesome and should be used as a better selling point. Need facilities to complement Chaifetz not take away. The indoor hitting cages don't have running water or AC. It's just basically a garage with cages inside and not that nice at all. Heard it cost in the neighborhood of $400K???? IF this is true and AD signed off, I rest my case.
Again great post prebilliken and 05.
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I've met Hines a few times, very nice and a class act.
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24 minutes ago, BillsNBrews1818 said:
This may be expanding this discussion too far, but do our lackluster facilities hurt us when it comes to AAC or other conference invitations? Chaifetz can compete with anything as far as I'm concerned, but conferences have to be somewhat interested in the holistic athletic environment.
I agree! Not trying to beat a dead horse but if we just had Lindenwoods facilities with Chaifetz it'd be awesome. Raise the bar across the department to want to be first class division one program. Thanks
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3 minutes ago, Billy Ken said:
Guys it doesn't matter if you like him or not. I think the point Doubleday is trying to make is the AD isn't good at his job? The track and field facility isn't even close to as nice as Lindenwood or even Kirkwood and baseball field is bad for a college, especially D-1. Those aren't very good examples. It costs money to be a D-1 program in 2017. Real easy to just say write a check or AD is weird, bigger question is how much does university president care or understand athletics. I think that's the problem actually.
I didn't intend to make this an I don't like AD rant. If he is responsible for raising money for facilities the results are right in open to judge for yourself. Great point about bigger picture and president caring. AD is just a puppet and ultimately president has total control over all things athletics in the end. Thanks
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What I meant is I don't know the guy personally, he really doesn't give you a reason to want to get to know him. That was my point, just giving my opinion. He could be the greatest person alive, but if he can't raise money that hurts the program at the end of the day. My experience with the guy is that he thinks he's a big deal and it's a privilege you get his time at all. Just want to see whole program get better and on par with some area high schools at the very least. I mean it's just a division one program, not that big of deal. Right? We should expect more across the board. Thanks
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4 minutes ago, For-DaLove said:
You contradicted yourself in a major way, but carry on
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2 minutes ago, For-DaLove said:
You contradicted yourself in a major way, but carry on
How? By giving my opinion?
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3 minutes ago, Old guy said:
Doubleday you are probably correct in your estimation of the AD and the way he looked at you. I am sure if you had about $10 M that you wanted to donate to someone he would treat you differently. And yes SLU has big donors, they just do not appear to be interested in baseball, or soccer, or softball. Until they find someone who is interested, the current physical facilities will have to do.
I totally meant no disrespect to you at all and I agree with sure you treat big donors different. But the guy just seems like a creep. I just think if your going to be in a job like his you should at least be smart enough to fake people into thinking you are nice. Heck, imagine if you were really nice for real? Again, I don't know the guy just what I've seen and experienced leaves me not impressed. If he really is responsible to raise all the money for athletics SLU should and can do better. Thanks
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On 4/12/2017 at 5:36 PM, billikenfan05 said:
Excellent first post. It's on the AD to raise the money for the most part and maybe 100%. The kicker is that I've heard that it's been upto Hendrickson to get Alumni donations for the hitting and pitching facility adjacent to the field. It's a criticism that doesn't get brought up enough in my opinion.
I would pay to attend a handful of baseball or softball games if they could improve the fan experience even a little bit with comfortable seating(even just put bleachers with backs to them).
AD is a weirdo. I doubt the dude played sports at all, watch the guy at a basketball game and he's like a soccer mom. I thought university has people that raise money for big stuff like stadiums and pools. If they leave it to AD and he just lets coaches do it no wonder the place looks like a dump outside of Chaifetz. I really don't know AD just being around him various times while in school and afterwards he always gave me the feeling if you aren't important I don't have time for you type vibe. Probably why no one gives program money. Thanks
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1 hour ago, Old guy said:
Dream on Doubleday, until they find a donor committed to baseball, soccer, or softball, we will be playing where we are playing now. How about the swim team or the diving team, where are our olympic level facilities for these sports... in your dreams of course. Just dream your visions of grandeur and when you get enough money in your account donate a stadium or an olympic level swimming and diving center to SLU with your own name on it. Until then you will have to live with yet another disappointment in your hands.
Lindenwood is division two and has a better baseball field. Did they go to South Carolina for a regional televised on ESPN?
As far as soccer, the AD can't give lip service about competition for championships and try and expect the coaches to recruit to SLU with that soccer set up. It's not even fenced in and they charge money??? It's wide open! Look at a Louisville and Creighton. SLU doesn't have a chance.
Again why do area high schools have nicer facilities than a division one program? If AD can't raise money, get SLUH AD then because he figured out a way in St Louis to get things built.
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Hello everyone, first ever post!
Who is responsible for raising money to build stadiums for athletics? Is it the university or athletics? I was back on campus recently and the baseball, soccer and softball fields still suck. Not even as nice as some area high school fields.
If it's university I get they have money problems, if it's athletics I blame AD. Either the dude doesn't care or can't get donations either way that's bad. University didn't always have money problems and AD has been there a while. Has to be disconnect somewhere.
Just wondering how no one is doing something about it when there are so many examples of high schools in area with better facilities than the only division one school in St. Louis.
Thanks!
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They have a program where they let students get real experience in marketing. I think the marketing is pretty decent all things considered. The guys that told me that worked doing events and marketing through their time at SLU. Said it was a great experience. Have to learn somewhere.