JeffinMH
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No AD at SLU has or will ever have the power to take Athletics to a premier level. What is the old saying when comparing SLU to Missouri? Brains versus brawn or something like that. That is simply how it is. No new athletic director will ever change that. SLU is just simply not that kind of school. Slu's .reputation is based on academics not Athletics. Always has been. Multiple teams will have success from time to time just like other mid-major programs.
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There are limits to learning and making wise decisions. You can't expect long term for people to be smarter than they actually are. Sad day.
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Lets not engage in censorship. People should not be blocked or deleted to satisfy a few. It is not the American way.
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So many Crews haters.
Jim Crews accolades:
Awards 3× MCC Coach of the Year (1987, 1989, 1992)
MVC Coach of the Year (1999)
2× Atlantic 10 Coach of the Year (2013, 2014)
Sporting News National Coach of the Year (2013)
NABC Coach of the Year (2013)I guess nobody was too hard on him in 2013/2014! Funny how our memories work.
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17 hours ago, brianstl said:
Then the females involved should be treated in the same fashion as the males.
In a perfect world. The video of the incident plus the "posting" of pics/videos is the main downfall I am guessing. At least one of the females got pissed off and blew the whistle on the whole episode. As far as sexual assault claims I am not sure what happened. A high profile scholarship athlete has gotta be smarter than that. I am sure Graves or whoever posted it thought it was a good idea at the time... I for one cringed when I heard that actually happened. I guess that was September or October maybe. I was thinking this was going to turn out bad for the players. I hoped I was wrong... sigh.
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39 minutes ago, William Iken said:
Serious question - are the guys being punished for having group sex? If so, shouldn't the girls receive the same punishment.
The immediate response from most will be 'no, they're suspended/expelled for releasing the video'.
But that can't be correct since only one player released the video, right. So what did the other three do wrong, or how did they act differently than any other participants in the party?
Seems to be the ongoing debate. SLU is not a "Catholic" school but in the end run by Catholics??!? I think the administration is simply sending a message out to the world. Coordinated and videoed group sex will not take place on campus ? That is the best guess I have.
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20 minutes ago, GoBills73 said:
"this sort of activity'???? WTF are you talking about.
If you don't know then I am not the one to explain it. Go ask your parents, any older brother, somebody... Actually nevermind...don't trouble yourself...
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10 minutes ago, Old guy said:
This is not about S2, but it directly refers to the current social and legal climate about issues involving sexual misconduct. Are you aware of the Larry Nassar saga? This guy was a gym Dr. that apparently had sexual misconduct with at least 150 of the girls in the Gym at Michigan State where he was employed. He pleaded guilty and just received a 170 year jail sentence, a life sentence. The president of Michigan State just resigned as a result of this scandal. These are facts and yes the guy was guilty, but I am sure that a review of similar prior cases that pleaded guilty would reveal much more lenient sentences. The current mode in the country is one of close to zero tolerance for sexual misconduct, and for taking the side of the females involved whether the allegation is real or even questionable. I am just saying open your eyes and look around at what is currently happening in this regard around the country and in the news.
I tried to explain the same in the same sort of way. It is a shame because innocent people get swept up in the current climate revolving around sexual misconduct. I am sure SLU has legal exposure on its mind, especially from women's rights groups. Not to mention boycotts. Mothers and Fathers want to send their children to schools where this sort of activity is not tolerated and it is reflected in the way this whole situation was managed. The best way to avoid these types of allegations is not to pursue these activities. Hypersensitivity is always dangerous ground in some way or another.
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Good WIN SLU!
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3 hours ago, AnkielBreakers said:
Maybe you have more information on the subject. Were the pictures distributed with intent to cause harm? Were they distributed within a select group or widely distributed? The pictures themselves were taken with presumed consent. If they were specifically used to defame someone, then unleash a strong punishment. If not, then a 6 game suspension makes sense.
It is easy to confuse this issue with revenge porn law. It would depend on the intent of the parties. Based on the evidence noted publicly and privately, there was no ill intent. Without that intent, the punishment seems a bit outrageous. Also, if there was intent, but just by one party, shouldn’t that party take all the blame?
Frankly, thinking this through just shows how completely out of touch the University is.
I think the University is telling the Saint Louis community where it's loyalty lies. There are some universities out there where the athletic department holds so much more power than probably SLU's athletic department will ever dream about. I think the punishment was harsh, probably too harsh. Although I was pretty sure whoever shared that video was screwed. Turns out he was expelled.I am not even sure which player that was..I suppose it doesn't matter since we will find out soon enough. Since there are no criminal charges that I am aware of this whole punishment must be based on SLU code of conduct. The administration seems to think it is protecting itself. Lets theorize that the same situation occurred but the accused were not basketball players or any other student-athlete. That they were ordinary students where mom and dad pay the tuition or have loans or even academic scholarships? Would have they received the same punishment. Based on what I know about SLU, I would guess yes they would. At least I hope so. I wish I knew about some similar title ix investigation. If I find out that something like this occurred and the accused were not suspended I would be hopping mad. Unfortunately I know of no such cases. You said there was no ill intent.. I think there must have been on one side or the other else why drag this out? A female complainant who is assumed to have dragged this out seems to have at lease some ill will. It is tough to know these things unless both sides start talking about it publicly. It is frustrating at the least!
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23 minutes ago, CBFan said:
Hey self righteous saint self proclaimed high end critical thinker best Billiken fan all time #metoo started because of Hollwoods behavior that festered for years and hurt many women and those women finally spoke up and brought down Hollywood heavy weights.
#metoo is losing momentum because of over reach and the player suspensions are a clear case of that.
No charges are proof, filing a false police report of rape and no punishment is proof.
i want my 2 granddaughters protected but not like this.
Look sharing the video got them suspended. I understand the actual sex was planned in advance and that probably didn't help. The is no way SLU is going to put up with that. Maybe Mizzou I suppose would have been a lighter sentence. SLU's commitment to academics over athletics is pretty clear. That is nothing new. I am bewildered why people do not get that. This ruling is meant to send a message. I hope (don't think it is likely) that an appeal will result in a lesser punishment. I am not holding my breath. I don't think there will be criminal charges and the boys should be thankful for that! But like I said SLU is sending a clear message that activities of this sort will not be tolerated. I know that nobody wants to hear that. The pure basketball fan just wants the guys to play. I wanted the guys to play as well. When I learned about the events in question and that videos were released without consent, I figured this would turn out just the way it did. The videos were released publicly spelled the doom of these players. In conclusion, no video would mean no result that we saw. The only question I had is whether or not the females knew that the video was taking place. The lawyer says it was a small space and could have been hard to miss. However I think alcohol was being consumed so who knows? There are some questions I don't think we will know the answer to and less the people who were there spill it. If there is a lawsuit that stuff may come out. Honestly I don't think a lawsuit has a chance. It'll most likely be thrown out.
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4 minutes ago, SouthSide_Billiken said:
People like you are the reason we live in the overly sensitized divided world that we live in today. You validate your asinine views prefacing them with a reminder that your superior wisdom allowed you to predict this outcome. You then pontificate about a larger issue completely unrelated to this situation (i.e., the 2016 Presidential Election). Finally, you jump onto your moral high horse before riding off to another public forum where you will again make a fool of yourself.
You would disagree that the Me Too movement has risen to prominence after the election? SLU knows what is getting high focus in terms of sexual assault cases. They know the basketball fans will be angry. They also know with this decision reduces risk in public perception involving academics, campus security and safety issues, etc.. not to mention lawsuit exposure. I know nobody on this board wants to hear that. I'm sure St Louis University is worried about donations drying up if they would have went the other way. I'm sure they were worried about enrollment, especially with new female students and their families. I know you guys want to wash that away but these are serious issues.
Remember, hundreds upon hundreds of student-athletes coming through the program but don't get entangled into this nonsense. Why would anybody think SLU is going to side with the ones who do? Why aren't French, Hines, Roby, to name a few , in trouble? The obvious answer is they had nothing to do with it. If They're as smart as I think they are they probably steered clear of it. I think logic dictates they found out about it pretty quick. I am sure they were kind of ticked off that three of their teammates would not play in a real game, exposing them to more injury risk. There bodies taking an extra pounding because their teammates wanted to experiment with group sex and make foolish choices? . We don't know if they blame the players or if they blame the University. Those teammates not under investigation probably blamed both!! By the way , I predicted this because I have a brain that functions and I am aware of the situation in our society today. I live in this world the way it is . But I didn't make the world that this way. it is doesn't take a genius, it just takes somebody with a little bit of Common Sense. I wish you all the best.
Go Billikens!
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35 minutes ago, Billiken82 said:
+1
See you at the next home game. I will continue to support the players not suspended or expelled. They are working hard out there and deserve support. I know this decision hurts. I wanted them back on the team fully. I just didn't expect it will happen. I am pushing 50 and a good many of fans I talked to who are my age predicted the same. Call me names if you want. Sticks and stones..etc... if the young guys want change, go run for your local legislator and make change happen. Before you do that I want you to think about something. This country elected a president in 2016 who has what you call a dubious history when it comes to things of this nature. Do you realize that is what motivated the Me Too movement? I cannot be certain but I feel that perhaps none of this result would have came to be without those two factors. Remember for every action there is an equal reaction. I know you all will think that's silly but I think it actually has Merit. everything that has gone on over the last year has put a microscope on all things related two sexual assault or related unseemly activity. some people just don't want to believe it but I think it's true. I want you to remember that I really do love the SLU Billiken basketball program. I go to Every men's game into as many of the women's game as I can. when my kids ask about what happened I can only say that a group of young people made decisions they probably wish they hadn't. Please don't stop supporting the players who are still in the program. Their commitment deserves respect. As with the situation with Reed and Mitchell, this too shall pass.
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5 minutes ago, Schasz said:
Me too!
I suppose this discussion is for people who believe these guys are completely innocent and this whole situation should have never been investigated. Missouri may be the right school for that but not SLU. The culture at SLU and the code of conduct just will not allow it. This is nothing new. I am still shocked that this outcome surprises anyone who has a functioning brain that lives in the reality of the real world. 100s and 1000s of student athletes come thru programs at SLU and colleges similar to SLU and manage not to get entangled in this sort of situation. The women involved this should face repercussions but I doubt that will happen. Their lives are changed forever and they will never forget, although they may be full of regrets. They will probably, years from now, say " If I could go back in time and talk to my younger self and tell him: DON"T DO IT!! YOU WILL WISH YOU HADN'T!!!! " I am wondering in the back of my mind if this whole episode that went on that night was a setup. All it takes in one "victim" to cry foul, and the SLU title IX investigation and SLU code of conduct will do the rest. Please counsel your young ones coming up to college age to be careful! Have fun, but don't think you are invulnerable and nothing can go wrong, nothing bad will ever happen... And for your own sake don't get involved with group sex...If One person gets angry or feels wronged.....It will blow up in your face!!!!!! I wonder if the guys really knew these girls that well? Did they have complete trust? Did everyone agree to videos and pictures? Apparently not... Live and learn! Oh well, such is life.
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2 minutes ago, HenryB said:
You make me vomit
I am sorry for your stomach problems. I am sure the coach wasn't happy with this crap
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1 hour ago, brianstl said:
Ford isnt getting a job anywhere else right now. This will be his third straight losing season and now he has players involved in sexual assault cases at his last two coaching stops. I don’t think what happened here is his fault, but no AD can sell that resume to boosters and ticket buyers.
Ford didn't do anything expect recruit these guys and ask them to come to SLU. He is fine. He may think these guys disappointed him but nothing more than that.
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Sad day. Remember , for every 3 or 4 student athletes who get into a mess like this, there are a 1000 who don't. Just a shame!!
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I am really sorry to see this news. Guessing this would happen does not make me happy.
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7 hours ago, DeSmetBilliken said:
They think an assault took place because in most cases, they've probably made no effort to educate themselves on the situation. In the grand scheme of things, other than the news that an investigation is taking place, there's been nothing worthwhile in the news. Throw in that some of these people probably are quick to conclude that the big, scary, black, tattooed basketball players did something wrong when a white woman is involved, of course they think an assault took place.
The nail is hit on the head! Public perception carries a lot of weight for any university.
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3 hours ago, Billiken82 said:
Most the time when the police are called in the middle of the night they respond. That is their job. They are neither prosecutor, judge, nor jury. It’s kind of an implied level of protection expected in America. What rock did you just crawl out from under?
33 minutes ago, WestCoastBilliken said:I have been following along and from what I can gather, every single person on here seem to be making assumptions outside of players and girls were involved and a video was released on a public forum without consent- anything else seems to be assumptions..... regardless, it doesn't explain how you rationalize releasing a sex tape of someone without their consent on a public website as "kids being kids". Funny you glossed over that response.
I believe their have been many lawsuits over a private video being released on a public forum... one in particular took down an entire website empire.
And another lawsuit where 50 cent was ordered to pay $7 million for releasing a sex tape unauthorized:
https://www.vibe.com/2017/01/50-cent-sues-lawyers-rick-ross-32-million-sextape/
Example after example if you want to google.
Its not a "kids being kids" and anyone under the age of 50 doesnt 'accidentally release a video on a public forum' without intent. If it was me, I would be raising all hell and I think 99% of the posters on here would be as well if it was them or their kids on that video.
Ok, I give up. Absolutely nothing happened that night. Everything is a farce. Maybe lawyers are just running up hours for huge legal bills. Just for that I will run over to the gas station for a Powerball ticket. Most likely I will win on a single ticket the first time I ever played. Yippeee!!!! Once again, I say I hope these guys are cleared. I just don't think it is very likely given the times we live. I hope I am dead wrong.
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3 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:
you can go back and read all near 200 pages to answer your question. its in there
Kind of a weak answer. If you are sure it is true just state it. Please don't present rumor and 2nd hand information as fact.
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7 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:
why? so the school can try to sidestep the trainwreck they created?
Enrollment mostly. Parents need to know that SLU is safe place to send thier daughters. In turn the big donors want to be ensured of no unsavory back room deals. Remember what I said, families with students, alumni, females I hear talking in the stands think a sexual assault actually took place. Even if in reality everything was consensual. I haven't heard any of the young women siding with the players ... but I am sure some are out there.
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28 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:
the police got involved only because the girls came to them with remorse over their bad decisions to try to save face. one of the girls (supposedly the one not a student) has already recanted the story. their collective stories were supposedly all over the place and extremely inconsistent and the police told them to go home.
without the video, the players had nothing to disprove their remorseful counterparts. THEN the players would have been in far more trouble with the he said she said issues.
Ok, fair enough. What is the source of your information that "stories are all over the place" ? Is this solid info or just 2nd hand rumor?
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1 minute ago, hoppybeer said:
The university is definitely going to be handing out cash at this point, no matter what the decision is. They may have avoided paying the players if they had made a decision over the break, but i don't think there's any way they can avoid paying them now. On top of that, there are strong rumors to the parents of one of the accusers demanding money from the school. Good ol' Freddie P the bed big time on this, i hope he enjoys the stench.
If they do settle with money paid there better be a damn strong non-disclosure agreement and no admission of any fault in any way.
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