MB73
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Are you seriously suggesting Jolly gets targeted around here because of his race? And you think we're the ones in our own little world?
The ignorant attacks made on Jolly, the language, have not, can not, be used regarding an AA player.
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Sad how a group of posters revel in the fact that they blurted out they did not want Crews and now the team is doing poorly.
Some like that we keep losing, it makes them feel smart in their little 24/7 billikens.com world.
And everyone piles on Jolly, he is a safe PC target, whereas there are several others, more talented, who have underachieved more significantly.
Just one facet: 4 for 31 first half last night, a few that we made were layups, I saw the first half they had a lot of open shots. Is Crews a poor shooting coach? Tell me. Is Chaeney a poor shooting coach? 4-31?
The talent is there, though we sorely lack BIGS. A few of our sophs were offered schollies to big schools I believe, like Yarbough (Iowa, Illinois), and the 9 sophs and freshmen we have are all 3* and 2* (except for our Canadian). Our talent is much better than the one-obsessed-poster's-famous-'83-team. Our three young 5's are not strong enough to compete with maulers like Moe Alie Cox.. could he get in SLU? Could he make it one semester?
Three of our core high potential sophs sat the whole second half, so it is apparent Crews is not effective in managing and / or they are not dealing with his leadership. That problem's responsibility defaults to the coach.
Sure, if things do not change soon, we should look at the head coach as being responsible, and depending on the truth of what is going on here, move to another head coach next year. However, a lot of the proposed coaches on other threads will not have any real big time positive impact, and a few that were mentioned would not come here, no way. And I doubt our new President is one to be aggressive in our search.
There is my update... again, sure, there are big problems, but to say our coach sucks, that he has mental issues (etcetera), and to pretty much single out Jolly in a hurtful personal manner all the time is pathetic. Stop it.
I hope somehow they gel, they are still very young, they are not looking good, but I hope they become competitive, now. Do you?
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They already had banned themselves from the tournament this season by sucking on the court.
Should Anderson be fired, right now?
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So you're comfortable wasting 3 scholarships hoping for a hot hand, having a weird rotation, all to play maybe .500 ball?
I'm as big of a "bigs need time" advocate as anyone here. The problem is that you can't have 1/4 of your roster occupied by project big men, especially when those are the bugs you're counting on.
OK, we should have signed some 5* BIGS that can produce as freshmen and sophs... sure!
Look, we all are not pleased with our young BIGS at this point, but it is rare that SLU can get BIGS that can really contribute as freshmen or sophs.
Crews has had to rebuild from scratch, BIGS are the key, and he only had a chronically hobbled Manning last year as a upperclassman BIG, and this year Reggie is the only upperclassman BIG.
Yes we all know WR did well on the court but he ultimately failed for us as a player due to academics... we just cannot get that type at SLU than can do the required classwork. Some schools let kids like him stay in school.
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Well done... exceeded expectations!
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Good points, Clock.
And I will add that WR probably would have lasted for many years at Mizzou... so much easier for jocks to get grades there.
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-keeps getting minutes, what does this say?
-I do agree, if MY gets it we would improve a lot, but same with the other players and the coaches
Agree, but he gets minutes because we absolutely need him, his rebounds, his length, his inside presence; he is needed and plays despite his propensity for mistakes.
Reggie is the only other one who is a force inside at all.
It appears that Crews (& Chaeney) are benching Yarbrough here and there to attempt to get Yarbrough with the program; not starting, one of the most talented on the team, offers from Big 10 schools.
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If you haven't actually gone to games, you have no right to defend Jolly. Probably the first Billiken that I dislike on a personal basis. Your defense of him explains a lot. You need to watch him during the commercial breaks.
That is fair...
Some athletes are high strung and cannot stand to lose. A lot of them excel in the long run.
Some are just plain whiners.
You could be right... I explained, I haven't seen nor heard the close ups on him. Mostly the posters on here that write about him have no credibility with me. Whiners.
So I will keep an eye on this... again, that is fair. We shall see.
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Martelli has a sweet sixteen and an elite eight on his resume. He has shown the ability to still recruit high level players. He has coached five players that have either been drafted or played in the NBA. He has never finished last in the conference.
Don't try to draw a parallel between the situation with Crews and the situation with Martelli.
Yes the posters demonstrated their lack of maturity and knowledge by suggesting Martelli was washed up, finished. So they are even more foolish than thought.
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Is it just me or are we always waiting for our bigs to "develop?' I will agree that Robe Loe developed. Ian Voyoukous was who he was when he came in and when he left. I would offer that he never really "developed" or he would have been selected in the NBA draft.
Names? Husak. Manning. Braun. Heinrich. Baniak. Pedersen. Barentine. Johnson. Mueller. And there is probably more. Now add Gillmann, Jolly, Agbeko and Neufeld. Seems like we (SLU) are always waiting for the "big man bus" to pull up to our curb.
All Crews fault, too.
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K, Jolly didn't trip over his feet and nearly get punched out by Crews last night. Good job.
Sure, I'll give him credit for getting a jam and pestering Larsen and Cavanaugh a bit in the first half. He actually grabbed 3 whole boards and was credited for a steal when a ball was tipped into his breadbasket. He scored 2 points on 1-3 shooting (missing an easy layup off of a nice outlet pass) while committing 4 fouls. After getting his fourth foul, he acted like the same old petulant Jolly, pushing away Reynolds/Crwaford who tried to calm him down after the whistle.
So, yeah, excuse me if I don't get all excited over Jolly's contributions last night. Him looking like a poor man's Adam Knollmeyer as opposed to an absolute trainwreck shouldn't be all that worthy of praise. He has been deserving of all of the criticism he's received on this board, not only by his play, but by his demeanor and actions.
Agree with some of what you say but Jolly does not deserve the absolutely horseshit, brutal treatment by many posters here. He is doing his best, unfortunately he is physically over matched in many situations... needs weight and strength. And I haven't seen, close up, all of his so called demeanor and actions, but I've seen high strung athletes who get upset and it is a often a positive. Good coaches on youth teams will tell you the ONE kid on the team that throws fits for wanting to do better, to win, sometimes is the one who is most likely to be successful. Jolly is no Nate Thurmond, I know.
I do not like saying anything negative about our kids, but I must point out Yarbrough. He is very talented, was given offers by some Big 10 schools, most everyone on this board was excited with his signing. He was brought in at least in part by Chaeney, who was going to be his mentor, his personal role model, and coach. Yarbrough has bursts of greatness but we all know he makes huge mistakes, when double teamed does not pass, takes off balance shots, handles the ball too much, etcetera. You cannot tell me that Chaeney and Crews have not coached him otherwise, but he still does the same things. Even last night. Talented, but does not accept coaching IMO. Keep in mind, if he somewhere along the line "gets it", then things can improve around here dramatically.
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St. Joe = looking good.
We had some on this board saying that Phil Martelli was washed up, had to go, the world had passed him by; based on.... "nothing".
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Couple thoughts:
1. Milik is completely predictable at this point. Any opposing coaches watching video of us can tell their team that when he puts the ball on the floor out near the free throw line "he's going to try to drive." The other team's players might think "that's crazy, when there are four of us waiting for him under the basket." The coach will reply with "trust me, he's going to drive straight into all four of you, just don't foul him and we'll get the ball."
2. Jolly is not as bad as everyone on this board makes him out. He truly has become the scapegoat. I'm not saying he's good, but he's not that bad. I can foresee a scenario where he actually becomes a very solid contributor in his final two years. Not saying it's going to happen, just that it could. So, let's cut him some slack.
3. I simply cannot cheer for the Billikens to lose. Beating GW was awesome. I needed that game. We all needed that game. We need more of that game regardless of what we think of the coaching situation. I know why some of you are saying that you are hoping for things to pan out certain way, but come on!!! I'm the ultimate optimist in these situations and am telling myself now that if we now know that we can play the way we did last night, that we can play with that level of competition, maybe we can get even better and roll off a run in the A-10 tournament. Probably won't happen, but optimism is the only reason to be a fan.
Agree.
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Are there really such people?
One game, no. If we become competitive again, yes.
It still depends upon how the season goes from here on; not on what the usual coalition of lunatic bitter little posters here who mostly just make things up to disparage our coach say.
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Not a Jolly fan, but he just played the best half of all around basketball of any of our centers all year. The team was better with him on the court.
holy ****, a Jolly dunk!
Holy smokes - Jolly with the power dunk as the shot clock expires!
Best game I've seen him play ever so far.
i have to begrudgingly agree.
Why "begrudginlgly"?
Please explain.
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We won a thriller, by 3, against a top 20 RPI team.
And Jolly contributed.
Jolly played well enough to make a difference. Protected the rim. Slammed down a dunk shot. Some reb's. Some good passes.
We needed Jolly.
Admit it.
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Some of the dumbest, ugliest posts, ever, on this and the FireJimCrews thread, though mostly from the same rotation of bitter frustrated lil dumb posters, so I guess that is to be expected. I am embarrassed to be a SLU grad when reading some of the despicable statements posted here, making things up, taking one word and making assumptions to the 11th detail, like a sophomore at Viz.
At this point, yes, we have a bad team. Majerus is gone. Small minds blame Crews 99%, Jolly the other 1%.
Some of you need to watch college hoops for 10 years, read 50 books on the subject (3x each), hang out with some intelligent, knowledgeable grown ups, and then post again, say, on Dec. 24, 2025.
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A clusterschtook.
Getting the new logo on the merchandise you want and the size that you want is outrageously difficult. Total failure. Nobody knows WTF is going on, few outsiders even know we changed logos.
When will we hire dedicated SLU grads, St. Louisans to do all of the staff work? We hire mostly foo-foo out of town staff who do not give a rats ass about our university, and leave after one year for a 3% better salary elsewhere.
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He's not going to show up for a while. He's been absent for a few days now.
It is awful to watch, something is really wrong.
Morehead St, Tenn Martin, Inidana St. now SIUC... losing at home and not being competitive is indicative of a team that has several problems.
Coaching? Nobody effective at the 5? Poor team defense? Irratic shooting? No one stepping up and providing consistent production? I had hoped out of Yarbrough, Roby, Bartley, Reggie, and Crawford, a few would improve significantly. Nope. Then one of the 5's would at least guard the rim a bit, but it all isn't happening. Some improvement from Reynolds but not much.
If this continues into the spring, we are heading to 9-10-11 wins at this rate and, what, a 250+ RPI, then yes, changes need to be made.
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Can't wait for MB
Tell me why you are enjoying this...several posters do; the team is playing poorly and you and others seem happy about it. Over and over, classless posts, demeaning posts, trying to top each other like middle school boys.
Tell me.
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Honest questions - what do you need to see before you've had enough? How long are you willing to wait? How low are you willing to let the program sink before you admit it's time to move on?
You appear to be the last man standing on Team Crews. The only "over the top ugly" thing happening is on the court. People are being reasonable here.
I need to see more results this season, 9 games so far with a still very young team is not enough. Have you ever heard of teams that start slow but then gel and get hot? The coach sees some younger kids emerge, makes some changes and / or the kids GET IT finally and go on a winning streak?
To boot, I consider this Crew's 2nd year as coach (in assessing this situation)... some argue otherwise, but I say only this sophomore and freshmen class are his, the 2 jr's and one sr were not because he was not named full time coach at the beginning of the recruiting year.
How many coaches in the NCAA get zapped after 9 games? Not a very wise approach for many reasons.
You wouldn't except this performance from an employee 4 years in, so why do you accept it from Crews?
If Crews was a CEO of a publicly traded company he would be dumped and shareholders would be filing lawsuits.
This is one year + 9 games for Crews, with the 6th youngest team in D-1 last year (by one measure) and another very young team this year without any real help from jr or sr BIGS.
I have hired-fired-entry level employees up to VP's and GM's and everybody in the middle with 9 figure revenue budgets and / or 25% pretax P&L responsibility. There is some similarity to the corporate world, but this is not a truly valid comparison.
NOW, if Mays & The Billiken Board and Administration are aware of issues that we are not privy to, then that is different.
And sure, IF this level of play continues through the year (losing to 200+ RPI type teams and not being competitive) then things will need to change.
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He shouldn't be fired, and those who are over the top ugly about this are out of line, horseshit.
Unless you have access to inside information about what is going on with the team, we should still wait and see.
Bad coaching fundamentals? I do not think so. Cannot sell the kids on how we need to play this game? Maybe. He completely lost the team? Doubt it... the 6 sophs came back. Some of the kids just "do not get it"? Perhaps. No talent? I do not think that is it... sure not all are going to be top notch but we have several who might make it there.
Sure the game we played last night was unacceptable. Terrible "D", very poor shooting (MC and MY), and our bigs are not doing the job, at all (still young, sure, but...).
IF this continues without significant improvement, then, of course there is reason for alarm. But not yet. I am concerned, of course.
Suddenly, one or two key players could "get it" and we go on a streak. It happens.
If they do not become competitive at some point for an extended period, though, "that's different".
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8 games, 5-3: Nobody knows if the 6 sophs and 3 freshmen will develop into top notch players
- It is inside the players to do so (or not) and it is also a function of coaching, development
- Of course Majerus was a superior top HOF level all around coach; he is gone
- It is too early after 8 games to throw mud and slime and whine and throw hissy fits; the only unacceptable outcome thus far was Morehead St, it is of concern
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The ignorant attacks made on Jolly, the language, have not, can not, be used regarding an AA player.