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"he does an excellent job of putting me to sleep."
...and I do my best to contribute.
BTW, Roy, I thought Billikens.com was always the last thing you did before going to bed at night, and the first thing you do in the morning.
If so, you can reverse Poles, so to speak, and wake up with me tomorrow with another of St. Louis' best-loved radio personalities, JC Corcoran, at 7:45 a.m. Perhaps I'll send some love to all of my Billikens.com buddies if JC lets me get a word in edgewise. -
I had intended that you'd actually be able to see a sample view, but as with everything else that has to do with our relationship with Savvis Center, the owners cheaped out and only offer seat photos for hockey. Nonetheless, if you pull down the hockey seating chart, you can see the relative view down to ice level, which is the same level as the court.
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http://www.savviscenter.net/content/seatlocator.html#
There's a pulldown for the basketball configuration. Off the top of my head, I'd go lower, because the pitch is steep enough that you can see (we sit in the end zone on the other side, way low) and you're still much closer to the court.
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"Ev’rybody’s ’neath the trees,
Feeding pigeons on a limb
But when quinn the eskimo gets here,
All the pigeons gonna run to him."
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A Mizzou fan engages in a discussion of Mizzou's questionable (and believe me, people ACROSS the country have called it questionable) behavior on a SLU board and reaches the conclusion that no one else aside from SLU fans believes (or cares) that a major research institution has condoned a blatant breach of academic ethics.
Just a thought, here, but you might want to discuss this with any number of the academic staff members at Mizzou. (I'd avoid the ones to whom I'm related, since my association with SLU might have tainted their judgment.)
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AJ, above: "He was going to check on Wash U's stance on accepting a transfer student, who took a correspondence course."
Yup, he sure was, wasn't he. I'm beginning to wonder if Mizzou mandates correspondence courses as a requirement to earn a degree there.
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Up above, you agreed with AlumniFan, who pointed out
"...it should be abundantly clear to any rational human being, regardless of their organizational affiliations, that it would not be possible for this individual to successfully complete 24 hours of coursework over a summer unless the courses were inappropriately easy (the point is to learn) or unless he received assistance that most educators would deem inappropriate.
For any University to have put a student in that position is, in my opinion, unfair to the student and unethical."
Yet then you ask:
"And why shouldn't they accept them in however much quantity they come in?"
The ONLY people who have in any way condoned the 24-hour issue are Mizzou fans. Your ethics are a fitting testament to your alma mater.
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...and it's looking like the Mizzou participants on this board went there.
NOWHERE have I said that correspondence courses themselves are or should be inapplicable to a degree at Mizzou, Wash. U. or SLU.
WHAT I HAVE SAID is that earning 24 hours in a single summer is clear, de facto and irrefutable evidence of academic fraud. Therefore Mizzou clearly condones academic fraud by accepting ANY hours from a transcript that shows 24 hours earned in a summer.
AS FOR THE NCAA, the "real" lawyers at Mizzou (Quin has a law degree, no) have a perfect case for them -- Mizzou didn't accept ALL of Ricky's credits, so the 24-hours argument is moot in the context of an NCAA investigation. Mizzou, however, has illustrated that it has no valid standards for admission of transfer hours.
Come to think of it, this also probably means that the proponents of said fraud earned those law degrees in a little under a year, since Mizzou clearly condones earning credit hours at four times the rate an accredited, respectable university would allow.
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I believe you were going to attempt to find out what SLU's official stance is on correspondence courses.
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The last one is way too generic. How 'bout
Billikens.com: Where we eat Gruehls for breakfast.
Billikens.com: Who needs a Hug?
or, for a different soon-to-be-ex-rival
Billikens.com: We don't need your Piti.
or, there's also the philanthropic approach
Billikens.com: All proceeds from these t-shirts will be used to buy our own home-court refs.
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The copy editors on the board seem to have overlooked the biggest question of all -- what are "thills," anyway?
(By the way, Steve -- if you're going to sponsor Ryan, you need to start spelling his name correctly.)
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After reading about the University's gross incompetence in transporting students, I'd note that the busing incident was just one of many yesterday that continue to illustrate that we will never be a first-rate program or a first-rate institution until someone in charge shows half a care about all the little things that go into running an event properly.
1. As B-Roy has noted, that game wasn't promoted. The ads for yesterday's game touted the "Big Shark Bicycle Giveaway" and the "Somebody Somebody Schedule Magnet Day." Freaking Lute Olsen and the #7 team in the country comes to town, and our new marketing guru, or our athletic director, or *someone* (nobody ever takes responsibility) can't think as far as "$5 General Admission for the entire upper bowl"?
2. We're on our own home court, and we have to play the last six minutes without benefit of a shot clock or game clock, including that key final shot? It isn't as if that was a fluke -- that the THIRD TIME this year the backboard clocks have malfunctioned. So what if we don't own the facility -- the General Counsel of the University should be serving a lawsuit to Laurie first thing Monday morning demanding all of our rent back for that game owing to the damage to our reputation on national TV, and should put him on notice that we'll file for punitive damages if it even happens again. Simultaneously, the U. should release notice of that suit to the media. (Hey, it's not like the Savvis Center incompetents can threaten not to renew our contract when it expires.) We've been treated like utter crap over and over at Savvis -- lack of ticket-takers at crowded games, poor traffic management outside, minimal concessions stands, TV monitors on the concourses turned off, etc.
3. Over and above the ball-throwing incident, how well is our University represented when our P.A. announcer ridicules our students and fans during time-out promotions? Whoever the "donor" is who keeps Guy in his job should have to publicly defend that classless style.
4. The Spark Agency pays to have its name on the halftime statistics on the Jumbotron. It would be pleasing if whoever is in charge of the halftime statistics would actually ensure that they show up on the scoreboard.
5. Several dozen U of A fans invaded the area behind the SLU basket before the game. When the real ticketholders showed up, the ushers made them move -- BUT NOT TO THEIR REAL SEATS. (Granted, a minimal amount of promotion on SLU's part would have obviated the problem by putting SLU fan butts into the endcourt seats, but I digress.) "May I see your tickets please? Oh, these are in section 320, row XX -- that's 200 feet up. Let me escort you to the proper section."
The busing incident was an embarrassment. The event management was an embarrassment. Guy Phillips is an embarrassment. (The team's play, however, should have made us all proud. And Reggie was the last guy I'd ever have expected to toe the line on anything.)
So who in the University leadership is going to stand up and demand excellence not just at building buildings but at doing all the little things right as well?
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"But, I can GUARANTEE you that overall from one end to the other, SLU is a better academic school and certainly holds it's athletes to higher standards."
In all fairness, we hashed out some of this issue last year on the board, and at least from a numeric standpoint (test scores and class rank of incoming students, for example), the "better academic school" is not easily defensible. One could argue that SLU is marginally better in some things and Mizzou in others, but the statistical variance was neglible.
I wouldn't argue about the athletes, though.
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I can't rightfully speak for any individual institution, but based on the amount and content of the "academic integrity" documents thrust upon me as a teacher, I'm reasonably sure that Wash. U. would quite forcefully reject any transcript that showed 24 hours earned in a summer, regardless of source. I would hope that SLU would, too.
In the case of Mizzou, they had prime opportunity to reject Clemons based on that transcript, and they looked the other way. The alleged "leader" of the University has had numerous opportunities to state clearly that such an obvious total lack of standards will not be tolerated in the future (and further, to admit that acceptance of those hours in the first place illustrated a gross lack of academic integrity).
President Floyd is obviously politician first, sports fan second and guardian of the insitution's academic reputation about 73rd or so.
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We're talking about Clemons, for whom we do know the specifics, because he publicly released his transcripts. 24 hours in one summer. Academic fraud. No shades of gray whatsoever.
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In all fairness, Porridge Boy, I think that several of the regulars on this board -- our occasional references to the team's higher-than-average need for members of your profession notwithstanding -- have actually defended Huggie & Co. in posts over the past year or so, having been provided (by you, Naticat, etc.) solid data indicating that the Bearcats actually do graduate (now) at a quite acceptable rate.
This doesn't condone your own waste of a good Jesuit education nor your league with Satan, however.
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I see you've learned to type much more clearly. This form of your personality is a welcome addition to the board.
A standard load for a semester is 15 hours. A standard load for a summer is 6 hours. I once took 21 hours in a regular semester, and it was, shall we say, pretty difficult. I'm just finishing up a semester teaching at Washington U., and a couple of my students had to drop because 18 hours was too much for them. Your friend is to be admired, but it's certainly an exception to the rule.
9 hours in a summer would have been remarkable. 12 hours would have been Herculean. 24 was fraud, pure and simple. The fact that the President of the University system chooses to ignore this casts him and the University in a most unfavorable light.
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"HOWEVER, President Elson Floyd meets with NCAA officials and leaves the meeting confident that no academic malfeasance took place."
President Elson Floyd has already proven himself to be totally devoid of both ethics and common sense. The Clemons ATV debacle showed the common sense part; the fact that he hasn't publicly apologized for the ADMITTED academic malfeasance shows his sense of ethics.
Once more, with feeling: Any student with a transcript showing 24 credit hours earned in a single summer has committed academic fraud. Any institution who accepts ANY of those hours is complicit in academic fraud. The fact that NO ONE at the University of Missouri has even apologized for this, let alone been fired for it, is clear indication of the total lack of standards, ethics or managerial control at the University.
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My dear colleague Mike Smith has just posted that the Maryland game has been postponed to Sunday due to the snowstorm.
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On KMOX last night just before 6 p.m., Mike Shannon reported from his vacation driving a Busch distributor's bus across Texas. He noted that his companion for the trip was our own former hockey cooch, the (seemingly immortal) Bill Selman.
I used to run into Bill when calling on A-B ten or 15 years ago (in a piece of high irony, his office was a couple down from Dick McDonald's) -- but I'm relatively stunned that he's still working. I'm thinking he was into his late 40s when the team folded in 1979, which would have him pushing 70 by now.
The moment they announce ice capability for the new arena, I'll write them a check.
Official Billikens.com sponsor of Ralph Kloiber
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1993: NCAA tourney
1994: NIT (losing, ironically, to Siena)
1996: NCAA tourney, Sweet Sixteen
1998: NIT, quarterfinals
1999: NIT
2001: NCAA tourney
2003: NIT, quarterfinals
2003-4 (early): Ranked 13th
I suggest that, although not exactly at the level of some of its conferencemates, Georgia Tech basketball has been "worth a damn" for the past decade.
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I've been too busy as a finalist on "Average Joe."
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Another country heard from.
Amazingly, the University of Cincinnati also appears to lack a P.E. degree-granting program. So what do all those guys take? "Addictions Studies," or "Criminal Justice"?
The biggest shame about our loss to WVU was that if the 'Neers actually come up with a winning record, Huggy won't have as much leverage for his next whinefest with the Cincy administration. That's always good for some off-season entertainment.
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How in the world do they compete???
If so, you can reverse Poles, so to speak, and wake up with me tomorrow with another of St. Louis' best-loved radio personalities, JC Corcoran, at 7:45 a.m. Perhaps I'll send some love to all of my Billikens.com buddies if JC lets me get a word in edgewise.
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