tigerluke
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I know Majerus crows all the time about the travel requirements that being in the A-10 causes; perhaps this will be the first move that will eventually lead to SLU moving back to a Midwest-based conference? Unfortunately it's football that's driving this whole thing. Who are the best basketball-only programs out there as you guys see it? It might make sense for them to just go ahead & band together now.
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and what exactly does mi$$ouri gain with the pitiful nonconference schedule it plays now?
Seriously though, what Mizzou gets from its non-conference schedule (which this year featured 2 Big East teams, 1 Pac 12 team, and 1 B1G team) is they win, and have a good RPI, and make the tournament, and not have to worry about whether or not SLU played way over their heads and pulled off a big upset that might hurt them come Tourney time.
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and what exactly does mi$$ouri gain with the pitiful nonconference schedule it plays now? You might be the easiest troll to beat we've ever had here. Well no, you aren't basketball country yet.
You know what they say: "don't feed the trolls" . . . guess that's why there's 137 replies to this thread, most of them after I got here.
Since you definitely vanquished the evil Mizzou troll today I'll just go back under my bridge with my striped tail tucked between my legs.
Wait, is it "don't feed the trolls" or "you gotta pay the troll toll"? I always forget.
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SLU21: Im not sure anyone has been to small to TigerLuke. (TigerLuke? Im sorry, that was a rushed user name. You sound like a villian out of an 80's Hong Kong produced action movie.) Its been a basketball talk.
Yeah I don't love the handle either, but I believe I was 14 or 15 years old when I made this profile, so I'm stuck with it.
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I can't imagine how insecure I'd need to become to register at another team's message board and begin arguing with actual fans of that team that my favorite team is too good to play them.
If you check my profile, I've been on this message board since 1999. Yep, no joke. I just don't usually post. Guess I was feeling feisty today.
For the record: I never said Mizzou was too good to play SLU, I just don't see how Mizzou has much of anything to gain from it, so I understand why Alden won't do it, and I've been trying to explain that all day.
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These rankings suck. We've discussed them at length on this board before. If you are going to stick around don't bring them up.
I'm sure you all love Pistol and everything, but nit-picking typos and making fun of where people went to school isn't really why I came here. Just standing up for myself mang. I'll leave it alone now.
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And Pistol, just in case you were wondering how "one of South Carolina's public schools" measures up to SLU...
U.S. News and World Report 2012 Best Colleges Rankings:
Clemson University #68 http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/clemson-university-3425
Saint Louis University #90 http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/st.-louis-university-2506
I do believe I just dropped some "Noledge" on you, even if I can't spell because I went to school in South Carolina.
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2-burwell is completely nuts to think kansas will come to 4 team tourney in stl
I agree that Burwell is delusional to think KU would show up to an early-season tourney in St. Louis that includes Mizzou, but if you take Kansas out of the equation, why doesn't St. Louis have a big early-season tourney at the Dome or Scottrade?
It could even include Mizzou and SLU, not as a guaranteed game, but a possible second or final round matchup. I'd sign up for that, just add in a couple fluff teams another mid major and another big boy or two and you've got it. 8 teams, Friday-Saturday-Sunday, not a bad idea.
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It continues! Computer Science was not your major at one of South Carolina's public schools, clearly. Nor was Spelling (though Clemson does offer it, I'm sure) - first "birth", and now you misspell the name of your beloved Mizzou's former coach.
In the meantime, poor spelling is always welcome at http://www.tigerboard.com/.
Hardly beloved, so I'm not bothered by it.
I'm still here if you haven't noticed. Just thought I'd point that out. Mkaythanks.
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Burwell isn't good for much but he does know how to stir the pot. Hopefully a Round of 32 matchup between The #2 seeded University of MissourA and the # 7 seeded Billikens will give us the fix we all need and let this argument be settled on the court where it should be.
Yeah... that's exactly the kind of crap the selection committee loves to pull. Like when they made Mizzou and 8/9 seed in Duke's region a year or two after Quinn left there to ruin Missouri's basketball team.
I wouldn't be at all surprised honestly, and I'd be fine with it. Neutral site, means the world to both teams, I'll take that.
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claiming that mizzou has a better basketball pedigree isn't fact, it's opinion. there is nothing in the world you could drag up to claim that missouri is better than kansas. the fact is, mizzou fans think they're some basketball power when they've never even gotten past the elite 8. the fact is, I supported my statement with facts, you tried to pass off opinion as fact.
Have fun with these facts:
Mizzou has more NCAA appearances, Sweet Sixteens, Elite Eights, #1 Seeds in the NCAA Tournament, Conference Regular Season Titles, and Conference Tournament Championships than SLU does, all while playing in a major conference against superior competition. That's basically every winning metric I can think of other than overall wins, but I couldn't find the statistics on that quickly so I left it off, but I'd bet Mizzou has more of those too.
That Mizzou is a better program than SLU is both my opinion, and can be factually supported. There you go. Thanks for playing.
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Give the people what they want. Play the game. Don't be afraid. Until then don't get all bunched up when we say we want the game to happen.
I don't get, how if Mizzou doesn't want to play SLU, and SLU is running a succesful program, we don't have every right to *****, moan, and talk sh!t...
I also don't see where there is no gain. I truely don't. So you make money off footbal. Why not make money off a basketball game?
You have the right to ***** & moan all you want, hell I'll even complain that Kansas should keep playing Mizzou after we bolt for the SEC, but I understand why they don't want to play us. Is it better for the game if Mizzou & Kansas play ever season, and Mizzou & SLU play every season? Sure, I'll give you that, but I get why it won't happen.
You have the right to get upset that Alden won't make it happen, but I also have the right to say "right on" to Alden for doing what he thinks is best for the program.
I just wish that back a couple of years ago when Kwamain and Willie were in hot water, that someone felt the need to distract from that mess by starting a "Mizzou is dodging us!" thread. Maybe they did and I just didn't know about it, but what drives me nuts is my perception that this only is a big discussion when SLU is competitive. You're never going to hear the outcry from Mizzou fans for a game, so you guys have to go nuts about it all the time for it to happen. At least that's how I see it.
Lastly, my point on football & money isn't that money is a bad thing, or that Mizzou doesn't want the money. Rather, my point is that b/c of the huge amount of football revenue, Mizzou doesn't NEED the money from playing SLU, so they can make their decision on whether or not to play them based solely on basketball program reasoning, and not even consider the potential money.
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Do enjoy good SLU / MU banter...your opinions, while misguided, are well thought out. Thanks for visiting.
It had been way too long since we had any actual Mizzou/SLU banter. I suppose I can thank Burwell for that, but don't ask me to do it again or I'll have to take a shower.
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Put an asterisks next to that 3 elite eights. The record books reflect only 2 appearances in the elite eight.
Fine, but you should know that the ratio of 3/0 is the same as 2/0.... either way, SLU's elite eight appearances don't exist.
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Seriously though, if you want to talk to Mizzou fans, do yourselves a favor and go to http://www.rockmnation.com/
I'm not kidding, even I avoid tigerboard most of the time; the folks at Rock M Nation are way more interesting/insightful
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They could finally shut SLU fans up. Ha.
I suppose, but then what would I do with my Friday afternoon?
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Also, you may be lost. Here: http://www.tigerboard.com/
Well played, but I just have so much more fun here!
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I hear your argument but quite honestly I interpret it as an extremely paranoid" position to take. If MIZ's chief concern is giving SLU a "statement" win then you have larger insecurities at play within your program.
Call it what you want, but I'm not complaining if Alden decides to play it safe, not because I think Mizzou would lose to SLU consistently (I don't), but because there's no point to it from Mizzou's program perspective, other than to have a fun game for the fans, and that's probably not enough.
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The last three SLU-Mizzou games either sold out or exceeded 27,000 in attendance, proving the amount of regional interest in the series. No one lost money on the deal.
I see no logic, only fear. Mizzou is afraid to play SLU.
How many times do I have to say this? THE DECISION TO PLAY SLU OR NOT TO PLAY SLU IS NOT ABOUT MONEY FOR MIZZOU. Mizzou has football, and football makes them more money than God, especially going into the SEC next year. They don't need the money from one basketball game against SLU that 27,000 attend when they're packing in 70,000+ for football games and getting an equal share of TV revenue from the most popular conference in the most popular sport.
It's also not about the fans (you can argue that it should be, but that's a different argument). The clear reason Alden doesn't sign on the dotted line to play SLU every year is that Mizzou doesn't see much to gain from it.
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What do you mean by "tournament births" - babies born during the Tournament? Is this something you learned about at Clemson, one of the finest universities in South Carolina, or was it at Wash U?
Yeah, yeah, berth not birth, I know. Thanks for pointing out the typo.
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We should probably play your alma mater, right? DIII powerhouse Wash U... That translate's, I bet they would give us a good game.
I'll admit I was just trying to poke the bear with that Lindenwood comparison.
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You're dodging the simple fact that Mizzou is afraid to play SLU.
You're missing the difference between a decision made out of fear, and one made out of well-reasoned logic.
Mizzou has never been afraid of SLU, Alden just understands that the program has very little to gain from playing them, so he chooses what's in the best interest of the program, as he should. If the roles were reversed, Chris May would do the same thing, I guarantee it.
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-You're saying you don't want to play SLU but Arkansas was under .500 4 times in the 2000s. Twice as many times as SLU.
Arkansas will be a conference game, thus it has no bearing on the argument about whether Mizzou should play certain teams as a part of their non-conference schedule.
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Realistically, this point is like arguing who is the tallest midget. Neither team in the past 20+ years has been consistently relevant.
The word that saves you there is "consistently" because in the last 20 years, while SLU has racked up a stunning 4 NCAA tournament births and 0 wins outside the first weekend of the NCAA Tournament, Mizzou has managed 12 visits to the Big Dance, featuring 3 Elite Eight appearances. Mizzou has been a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament, and ranked in the top 5 multiple times during the last 20 years.
Mizzou is not an elite program, as I said before, but they are at least a relevant program in the last 20 years.
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If everybody raids the Big East for football (which I could see for teams like Louisville, Rutgers & maybe even Cinci), that could be good for SLU if it leaves Marquette & DePaul without a home.