Billiken Law
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I don't get to watch many games being on the west coast so I guess I haven't become desensitized to the horror that is the offense yet. I salute you guys who watch this every gone out.
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So you are all in for the guy that got passed over for the Liberty job last year?
Coaches don't get jobs for many reasons other than not being good enough and sometimes those who get "passed over" actually turned the job themselves.
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Thad Matta's seat is quite warm in Columbus. Two of the most embarrassing losses in program history this year - 35 @ Maryland and 25 @ IU, not to mention two unexplained home losses, first to the Carelton of Texas, UT-Arlington AND then the Fightin' Karl Malones of Louisiana Tech delivered an L on Brutus' boys. Aside from beating a "rebuilding" Kentucky program in Brooklyn, OSU is rapidly descending in the BigTen. Their boosters won't stand for it. Matta might be an available option if they don't make the NCAA tournament.
I'm not sure what's more the ludicrous assertion: that Thad Matta's seat is warm considering his record at OSU is 312-102, or that OSU boosters care about basketball,
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Talk about timing. My phone just rang, so I looked at the number on the Caller ID. Of course, it was the SLU alumni donation number. Due to a combination of me not being able to stop laughing, not wanting to take the time that those calls take, and not wanting to rip into a student trying to do their job for their financial aid, I didn't answer.
In hindsight, I should have seen if they would have earmarked a donation for Crews' buyout.
LOL! I got a call from that number less than 2 minutes after the NC State game. I was probably in a more giving and generous mood that day than you were tonight.
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-interesting, a lot in this to like
-he fits the Crews' model of prep schoolers, oh crap
Bosco is a legit 4 year high school (no resident students), not what we think of as a "prep school" in athletic circles. It has one of the best HS football programs in the nation too.
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaaf/writer/jon-solomon/25457033/college-sports-discussing-eliminating-academic-standards-for-freshmenThe NCAA is apparently looking into getting rid of initial eligibility requirements for athletes. This could greatly influence someone such as Draggs or TilMon if he hadn't transfered away. Obviously it is has not happened yet, but the fact the NCAA is talking about it is interesting nonetheless.
No, the Power 5 schools are discussing it, just as they have discussed getting rid of transfer regulations (e.g. allowing poaching). Both would be disastrous to schools like SLU where athletes are actually students too and the general membership would never approve it. If anything it's another sign the Power 5 will soon split off to form their own organization.
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Not quite. He just signed a 10 year deal that averages $900K a yearBen Jacobson from Northern Iowa. We can double his Salary and it would be less than RM was making. Get it done.
"The yearly base salary is $400,000, plus a media fee of $200,000 and longevity pay of $125,000, as well as other possible bonuses.
Jacobson and his agent cannot seek, discuss or negotiate with another school about a coaching vacancy without notifying athletic director Troy Dannen.
If Jacobson leaves UNI for another school before May 31, 2017, the Panthers would be owed 50 percent of whatever dollar amount remains on the contract. The buyout dips to 40 percent if Jacobson departs prior to May 31, 2019, and 30 percent prior to 2024.
Jacobson will have use of a courtesy vehicle for personal or business use. If a vehicle is not available, he is entitled to an allowance of $600 per month.
The coach is provided golf club membership to Beaver Hills Country Club and Sunnyside Country Club."
Has anyone brought up Scott Nagy of South Dakota State? He makes $200K,Forbes lists him as #1 for cost per win AND SD state law apparently prohibits multi year contracts.
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/fiei45idl/no-1-scott-nagy-south-dakota-state-2/
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If there is someone with a rational answer, I would like to know how to solve the 'white elephant' that is in the room. Crews contract runs thru 17-18. So that is two more years following this one. I have no idea how much he makes. We were lead to believe Coach Majerus was in the $1MM area. So Crews was likely signed for less. My guess, and this is a pure guess, is that it is between $750,000 and $500,000 per year. If SLU owes Crews $1.5 MM to $1.0 MM and then signs another coach $3/4 MM, you would be looking at potentially a $2.5 million dollar outlay next year. Does the university have that much spare change in the athletic department budget?
Many contracts have buyout clauses that make it easier to terminate the contacts early. One I worked on paid only one year for early termination regardless of the number of years left, so don't assume SLU automatically owes Crews for the entirety of his contract. It depends how good of an agent Crews has.
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In English please....Regular Season Title as in 1 in 13 years
also his name is spelled wrong
try again B-Law your like Marquette-guese someone mentions the name and you show up to comment except your not funny and we're not Wynona Rider
I'm not saying he'd be the best candidate but he's taken 2 downtrodden programs and made them quite competitive in a short time. Isn't that the profile we're looking for considering the current state of the program?
If someone can recruit talent to and win at hell holes like Green Bay and Toledo they could do quite well with the resources SLU has.
It comes down to what the administration wants: a retread fired at his previous job (Crews), a young but likely unproven assistant, or an established head coach with a track record of program building and success.
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No NCAAs
No Conference Championships
Coached at Marquette
We can do better.
Look at the state of programs he took over and where they ended up. The guy has a track record of turnarounds and success (and regular season titles in 1 bid leagues).
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So there isn't an application, but a "completion form" -
"There is no official form to complete regarding a redshirt student-athlete. A student-athlete’s participation in competition should be recorded on the competition forms (e.g., participation rosters)."
So it looks like you really can get one after the fact, and that Hines should be listed as a sophomore.
That said, this still is paperwork that has to be submitted to the NCAA for approval.
if you don't play in a game, whether you're injured or healthy, you do not use a year of eligibility and there is no "application" to gain back a year of eligibility. One can travel and practice every day and still not use a year of eligibility if they don't play in a competition. If you are seeking a medical hardship (played in a game within the NCAA's time limits and suffered a documented season ending injury) the conference is the body that approves a medical hardship. The only time a school goes to the NCAA to get a year back is 1) if the conference denies the medical hardship waiver or 2) to get a sixth year of eligibility (extension of the eligibility clock).
As for how eligibility is listed, that is up to the school. Some will list based on academic standing, others on eligibility.
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Loved the uniforms. In other good news, we are at 262 on kenpom. St. Francis Brooklyn only 17 spots below, so maybe that ends up being a quality win by the end of the season.
North Florida is 161. If they win the A Sun they could be relegated to the play in game because of the loss to the Bills.
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In hindsight, I am now convinced if we had even a mediocre team/coach we'd have Tatum. We gave him every reason not to come here. Can you imagine him playing with these clowns?!
Doubtful. The 1 and done kids are all going as package deals to elite programs where they can win a title then bolt for the pros. Plus, Coach K could dangle the National Team spot in front of him and the shoe companies can reward their AAU programs for delivering them to their top schools. It really isn't a fair fight anymore.
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Actually I have. 01-05 was considered by many to be a Golden Era of Intramural hoops at the U. There were some classic match-ups at the house that Simon built.
Yeah, that's when I played too, not one person who played there could have played on this SLU team or really any D1 team. Seriously, when my team of law students could compete for titles there is no D1 talent.
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Problem is, I've seen intramural teams at Simon Rec that could beat this team. Majerus would be doing Austin a favor.
No, you haven't.
I know a rough season brings out maximum levels of hyperbole but sometimes it goes beyond ridiculous.
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I think this is a great time for SLU to launch major college football again. /s
SLU could get a great deal on renting the Dome for home games when it isn't being used for tractor pulls and, well, what the hell else is it going to be used for?
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Steve lavin has always pretty much been a trainwreck. While he might be better than what we hAve now it isn't much. I pray that isn't our answer.
Soderberg would be Miles better than either crews or lavin. That is not an endorsement of soderberg that is additional negative piling on crews and the thought of steve lavin. Crews has us in a position right now the program is the worst it's been since 1978. It's probably longer than that but that's how far I go back as a billiken.
You know who is thrilled about our current state? Ron Ekker. He is no longer the worse ever.
I wouldn't call Lav a "trainwreck" (5 Sweet 16's at UCLA, 2 NCAA tourney trips in between a battle with cancer at St. John's). That said, he is not the answer for SLU nor would he be interested. He's a big city guy, very happy back in California doing TV, and more importantly to the situation, his wife is an actress/fashion designer and she won't sign off on any job not in NY, LA or San Fran. No need to worry there, Roy.
Again, no retreads. Ask DePaul how those work out. Get a young, hungry, aggressive low major coach or a rising star assistant. I don't care if said assistant sees SLU as a "stepping stone" to a bigger job, that means he will have left the program better than they found it and achieved a significant level of success.
As far as the main subject of this thread, money talks. Basketball is the economic engine of the department. When ticket revenues shrink and season ticket holders cancel the message will be heard loud and clear.
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I took a look at realtimerpi and looked at traditionally weaker schools to see what teams are on an upward trajectory. Here are the coaches for those teams:
Scott Cross - UT Arlington (previously mentioned by waldo)
Randy Bennett - St. Mary's (unfortunately, SLU is not likely an upgrade to St. Mary's at this point. It would have been when Crews was hired permanently)
Scott Nagy - SDSU (previously mentioned)
Ron Hunter - Georgia St.
Matt McCall - UT Chattanooga (has only been there one year)
Chris Beard - Ark. Little Rock
Tommy Amaker - Harvard (down year this year, but 20+ wins the last 5 seasons).
Bennett isn't leaving SMC. He's like Marshall, Few, Mack and other mid-major coaches who are bullet proof at their current institutions and get whatever they want. Plus, he's got some amazing property that he lives on in Moraga and doesn't want to leave that. Amaker gets whatever he wants at Harvard both financially and admissions wise and his wife is on the Med School faculty there. The money guys behind the program are ridiculous (Steve Ballmer, CEO's of Staples and Knight Financial, among others). I cannot imagine him leaving for anywhere but Duke.
The more I think about it, I am intrigued by Anthony Grant. Not sure what a OKC Thunder assistant makes, but I am guessing he banked a lot at Alabama. And just for fun, what do people think of Larry Eustachy? Might be too old, but he has won just about everywhere he has been and was national coach of the year at ISU.
Grant would be an intriguing hire. He's probably at least raking in $250K as a NBA assistant so SLU could upgrade that nicely. It depends if he wants to get back into the college game but it would be hard to get him away from his mentor, Billy Donovan. Not a chance on Eustachy. Colorado State has seriously upgraded their funding for the program (he's the highest paid coach in the MWC and they have dramatically increased pay for his assistants) and they are making a push to get into the Big 12 with new and upgraded facilities (probably a pipe dream but they will need to expand at some point).
Thought of this assistant name - Chris Carrawell, a Cardinal Ritter Prep grad who starred at Duke, played in the NBA and is currently an assistant at Marquette. Not that he would be a top candidate but as assistant names get thrown out the fact his high school alma mater is 2 blocks from campus and he learned from Coach K could be a plus. Maybe he could get Tatum to reconsider
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Both would be disastrous hires for SLU.In terms of older guys that had success at high majors, I know Seth Greenberg was already brought up. I'd actually be fine with him at this point. He had decent success at Va Tech, and probably should have had more than one NCAA appearance during his tenure there. (Constantly getting to NIT while being on the bubble.) Also, when he was fired, he actually had a commitment from Montrezl Harrell. Of course, Harrell backed out and went to Louisville. As SLU-Nick said up thread, Tech doesn't have a great tradition of basketball success.
Another old dude with a proven record is Al Skinner. He is in his first year at Kennesaw State after not having a head coaching gig since being fired at BC in 2010. Boston College has sucked since then and is on its second head coach since canning him. Apparently, a lot of the reason Skinner has been on the outside looking in is due to Boston Globe's Bob Ryan portraying him as lazy, mostly due to the hard work his assistants gave on the recruiting trail. (Skinner actually has a pretty good coaching tree going.)
No old retreads who were fired from their last jobs for a lack of success, you know, like the current coach.
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Slick Rick is forced to resign at UL. Pitino, being a devout Catholic, is picked up while he is down at 1.5 a year. We get bigs who can dunk again. Just win, baby!
My dream for the New Year.
Even though we now have lay president and the Jesuits are considered to be on the liberal side of the Catholicism spectrum, I think direct involvement with adulatory, abortion and prostitution might be a little too much for SLU's administration.
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There's nothing wrong with going after a top flight assistant as sometimes they end up being better hires than an established head coach from a lower level program. Pecora had a proven track record at Hofstra, that didn't work for Fordham, nor has Ferry at Duquense after great success at LIU. Sometimes that jump from low major to a higher level exposes the deficiencies of the coach. Dayton and Xavier have done well going the top assistant route but it needs to be someone who comes from a program with similar resources and limitations that SLU has.I don't think you can go take a chance with a coach from a lower level or an assistant at this time given the current shape of the program. You have to go with a coach who has a proven D1 track record. You can't afford to take a chance on a guy without a current D1 head coaching track record even if you think there is a chance he might be a home run hire. You have to hire a guy that you are sure will at least get you back to respectability and a tourney bid every now and then.
You can't have another failure hire. You have another guy who blows up in your face and this program might never recover.
There is obviously no magic formula. For every Pecora you could get a Gregg Marshall. You can't just hire a big name or someone because thet experienced success at their previous stop or got hot in the Tourney one year, otherwise you could end up with Jim Ferry, Andy Enfeld, Anthony Grant, Barry Hinson or Mike Rice.
Also, don't discount a guy with greater ambitions who may view SLU as a stepping stone to a Power 5 job. If they leave after a few years that means they've been successful and left the program better than they found it.
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You STLians will get a chance to see our next Coach Drew Diener 1/28 and 1/30 when his team plays in STL. They are 5-3 currently and lost by 11 to D1 UMKC this season though I'm not sure that game counted for UMKC.
https://rockhursthawks.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
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He'd be great....as an assistant coach.
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Billiken Law, your right being a successful player won't help becoming a good coach. Players would rather be coached by bad former players. Because guys like Doc Rivers, Lenny Wilkens, Pat Riley, Kevin Ollie, And Larry Brown never turned out to be good coaches.
NBA and college are 2 different games. Look at the coaches who couldn't cut it in the NBA but win titles in college.Billiken Law, wait so now they have to be college coaches only? Being a successful coach in the NBA doesn't matter? And Ollie had a successful college playing career enough to play long term in the NBA, then turned himself into an immediate star as a college coach. Once again any player would rather be coached by a former successful player rather than a player with less notable success. That's a no brainer.
Recruits want to develop and win, they don't care that their coach was a NBA star. Otherwise none would have played for Majerus, Izzo, Smart, Miller, Bennett, Larrenega, Stevens (a former pharmaceutical rep!), Coack K, Bo Ryan or Calipari, among others, and Clyde Drexler and Isaiah Thomas would have multiple national titles and multiple programs wouldn't have passed on Mark Jackson.
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Billiken Law, your right being a successful player won't help becoming a good coach. Players would rather be coached by bad former players. Because guys like Doc Rivers, Lenny Wilkens, Pat Riley, Kevin Ollie, And Larry Brown never turned out to be good coaches.
I'm not saying bad players only, I'm saying that being a great player does not automatically translate to being a good coach. The argument for Cheney seems to be "he was a lottery pick and all-America at Indiana."
And, all but one of those guys you listed coached in the NBA, not college. Ollie was far from a superstar too: 12 teams in 13 seasons, undrafted, career scoring average of 3.8 points a game starting only 100 games. Oh, and Larry Brown played in the ABA, never the NBA.
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5 point swing there. Uggh