Popular Post The Wiz Posted November 12 Popular Post Posted November 12 Well, we have had a few games to warm up. Now the real show begins. The Bills remain as a B+ team. We have come through the first 3 games unchanged. It is not that the computer was unimpressed with our start. To the contrary, the machine thought we were good from the beginning. So winning by big amounts was expected. The computers logic is I gave you a good grade from the start even though there were many unknowns and the Bills have done what they were supposed to do. Now show me something against a tougher team...which takes us to the game preview. Game preview... G Cany comes in as a B team. The Antelopes are a good team with some skilled players. This will not be easy BUT as you can see, the computer has faith in the Bills. One of the GC starters is injured (Moore) and is questionable for Sat but GC has pretty good depth. They don't have a lot of weaknesses EXCEPT defending the 3. If we can have a good day (or even an average day) from the arc, we should be able to beat them. One of their strengths is keeping the opponent from rebounding. Let's make our shots on the 1st try. Their key players are Henley ( a 6'7 guard who can shoot...I am not worried... he is a 6 - 7 )....Anane (a 180 player who is a double -double threat) and Williams (Their 3pt shooter). We have the players who can defend them. If we play our game minus a few TOs we should win. Now let's look at the Card and see what's up.... Report Card.... I have added a new line on the report card...2P%...The short 2P shot is important in the Schertz system so I have added it to the report card. We have a great offense that is better than the Lopes and a pretty good defense ...slightly better than the Lopes. ................SLU..................GC.....................SLU......................GC ...........................OFF...................................................DEF.......... PPG...........A+..18th ITN....B-......................C............................C- FG%..........A+..15th ITN....B+......................B-..........................C 2P%..........A+..12th ITN....B........................B.............................B- 3P%...........B+...................B-.....................B..............................D- FT%..........A......................A-....................................................... Reb............B.....................C.......................A...............................A+..9th ITN OFF Rebs = total Bills rebs...DEF Rebs = opp total reb Tops In The Nation SLU... FTs....Jones & Otieno...1st ...tied with many players Stls.....Thames...36th Injuries... GC Moore...Questionable....Face injury SLU...none Keys to the game....Make 3s...GC is weak defending the arc....but they are good at keeping the other team from rebounding. Since this is a much better team than the ones we have so far played it is crucial to keep TOs down especially in the first half. WWN2D2W..... Target slash...55/ 60/ 40 / 80....Keep TOs down...12 would be good ...6 in the 1st half would set the tone....PF 17... Hold their big 3 (mentioned in the game preview) to 35 pts combined. Bottom line... Sung to the tune of Home on the Range.... Oh give me a home Where the Chaifetz all roam and the Bills and the Antelope play Where seldom is heard about the Dance bid word A win and we will be all on our way. TheChosenOne, Lord Elrond, Adman and 9 others 12 Quote
Aquinas Posted November 12 Posted November 12 Looks like this would be a good day for Otieno to have his breakout game. Sung to the tune of Baby the Rain Must Fall. Baby the 3s must fall Baby the 3s must fall Whenever we in trouble Baby the 3s must fall TheA_Bomb 1 Quote
Cowboy Posted November 12 Posted November 12 7 hours ago, The Wiz said: Well, we have had a few games to warm up. Now the real show begins. The Bills remain as a B+ team. We have come through the first 3 games unchanged. It is not that the computer was unimpressed with our start. To the contrary, the machine thought we were good from the beginning. So winning by big amounts was expected. The computers logic is I gave you a good grade from the start even though there were many unknowns and the Bills have done what they were supposed to do. Now show me something against a tougher team...which takes us to the game preview. Game preview... G Cany comes in as a B team. The Antelopes are a good team with some skilled players. This will not be easy BUT as you can see, the computer has faith in the Bills. One of the GC starters is injured (Moore) and is questionable for Sat but GC has pretty good depth. They don't have a lot of weaknesses EXCEPT defending the 3. If we can have a good day (or even an average day) from the arc, we should be able to beat them. One of their strengths is keeping the opponent from rebounding. Let's make our shots on the 1st try. Their key players are Henley ( a 6'7 guard who can shoot...I am not worried... he is a 6 - 7 )....Anane (a 180 player who is a double -double threat) and Williams (Their 3pt shooter). We have the players who can defend them. If we play our game minus a few TOs we should win. Now let's look at the Card and see what's up.... Report Card.... I have added a new line on the report card...2P%...The short 2P shot is important in the Schertz system so I have added it to the report card. We have a great offense that is better than the Lopes and a pretty good defense ...slightly better than the Lopes. ................SLU..................GC.....................SLU......................GC ...........................OFF...................................................DEF.......... PPG...........A+..18th ITN....B-......................C............................C- FG%..........A+..15th ITN....B+......................B-..........................C 2P%..........A+..12th ITN....B........................B.............................B- 3P%...........B+...................B-.....................B..............................D- FT%..........A......................A-....................................................... Reb............B.....................C.......................A...............................A+..9th ITN OFF Rebs = total Bills rebs...DEF Rebs = opp total reb Tops In The Nation SLU... FTs....Jones & Otieno...1st ...tied with many players Stls.....Thames...36th Injuries... GC Moore...Questionable....Face injury SLU...none Keys to the game....Make 3s...GC is weak defending the arc....but they are good at keeping the other team from rebounding. Since this is a much better team than the ones we have so far played it is crucial to keep TOs down especially in the first half. WWN2D2W..... Target slash...55/ 60/ 40 / 80....Keep TOs down...12 would be good ...6 in the 1st half would set the tone....PF 17... Hold their big 3 (mentioned in the game preview) to 35 pts combined. Bottom line... Sung to the tune of Home on the Range.... Oh give me a home Where the Chaifetz all roam and the Bills and the Antelope play Where seldom is heard about the Dance bid word A win and we will be all on our way. -well done as always Wiz, thank you for adding the 2pt% -because, for once, we had a coach tell us we would play fast and we are actually doing it would it also make sense to add a defensive grade on points allowed per possesion? I think part of our C grade in PPG is, and this is a guess, that our games have more possessions than the average -thanks and I hope we hear those Dance bid words a lot Quote
The Wiz Posted November 12 Author Posted November 12 12 minutes ago, Cowboy said: -well done as always Wiz, thank you for adding the 2pt% -because, for once, we had a coach tell us we would play fast and we are actually doing it would it also make sense to add a defensive grade on points allowed per possession? I think part of our C grade in PPG is, and this is a guess, that our games have more possessions than the average -thanks and I hope we hear those Dance bid words a lot Yes, PPP is part of the reason we got a C. I am trying to keep the report card simple so you can get the highlights quickly. You could argue we don't really need to add 2P% because it is included as part of the FG% but in the Schertz era close to the basket 2P% is an important part of the equation. It works out because nearly all 2P shots are close to the basket. When looking at shot strategy one of the goals is to balance 2s and 3s...ie multiplying 2% shots by 1.5 because 3s are worth 50% more. If you look at the Lwood game we shot 75% from the 2 area.....10.5 of 21 3PM would equal 50% from the arc a perfect match for the the 2s (50x1.5=75)...we shot 11 3PM... as close as you can come. The 2P% is rarely shown in the box score slashes and in most cases the FG% is good enough. The fact that we are 12th ITN in 2s is not an accident. Yes , we have good shooters but we are in the top 12 now (and at the end of the season.) because it is part of the strategy. I will continue to list the 2 shot in the report card and WWN2D2W and in the post game reviews. Btw, I expect us to be in the top 5 by the end of the season as some of the flash in the pan teams fade as the season progresses. Quote
HoosierPal Posted November 12 Posted November 12 On 11/12/2025 at 8:57 AM, Cowboy said: -well done as always Wiz, thank you for adding the 2pt% -because, for once, we had a coach tell us we would play fast and we are actually doing it would it also make sense to add a defensive grade on points allowed per possesion? I think part of our C grade in PPG is, and this is a guess, that our games have more possessions than the average -thanks and I hope we hear those Dance bid words a lot Yes Coach Schetrtz uses PPP as one of his main defensive metrics. He has said 1.0 is his baseline. If you are below you have a good chance to win. If you are above, you could be in trouble. So far in our three games our PPP was 0.81 for SEMO, 0.89 for Chicago State, and 0.73 for Lindenwood. He said that in the final 7.5 min of the Chicago State game the PPP exceeded 1.0, hence he was not pleased with the effort during that segment of the game. Over our three games, our defensive PPP is 0.81 while our offensive PPP is 1.13 Over Grand Canyon's three games, their defensive PPP is 0.92 and their offensive PPP is 1.02 Quote
CenHudDude Posted November 13 Posted November 13 On 11/12/2025 at 2:27 AM, The Wiz said: Well, we have had a few games to warm up. Now the real show begins. The Bills remain as a B+ team. We have come through the first 3 games unchanged. It is not that the computer was unimpressed with our start. To the contrary, the machine thought we were good from the beginning. So winning by big amounts was expected. The computers logic is I gave you a good grade from the start even though there were many unknowns and the Bills have done what they were supposed to do. Now show me something against a tougher team...which takes us to the game preview. Game preview... G Cany comes in as a B team. The Antelopes are a good team with some skilled players. This will not be easy BUT as you can see, the computer has faith in the Bills. One of the GC starters is injured (Moore) and is questionable for Sat but GC has pretty good depth. They don't have a lot of weaknesses EXCEPT defending the 3. If we can have a good day (or even an average day) from the arc, we should be able to beat them. One of their strengths is keeping the opponent from rebounding. Let's make our shots on the 1st try. Their key players are Henley ( a 6'7 guard who can shoot...I am not worried... he is a 6 - 7 )....Anane (a 180 player who is a double -double threat) and Williams (Their 3pt shooter). We have the players who can defend them. If we play our game minus a few TOs we should win. Now let's look at the Card and see what's up.... Report Card.... I have added a new line on the report card...2P%...The short 2P shot is important in the Schertz system so I have added it to the report card. We have a great offense that is better than the Lopes and a pretty good defense ...slightly better than the Lopes. ................SLU..................GC.....................SLU......................GC ...........................OFF...................................................DEF.......... PPG...........A+..18th ITN....B-......................C............................C- FG%..........A+..15th ITN....B+......................B-..........................C 2P%..........A+..12th ITN....B........................B.............................B- 3P%...........B+...................B-.....................B..............................D- FT%..........A......................A-....................................................... Reb............B.....................C.......................A...............................A+..9th ITN OFF Rebs = total Bills rebs...DEF Rebs = opp total reb Tops In The Nation SLU... FTs....Jones & Otieno...1st ...tied with many players Stls.....Thames...36th Injuries... GC Moore...Questionable....Face injury SLU...none Keys to the game....Make 3s...GC is weak defending the arc....but they are good at keeping the other team from rebounding. Since this is a much better team than the ones we have so far played it is crucial to keep TOs down especially in the first half. WWN2D2W..... Target slash...55/ 60/ 40 / 80....Keep TOs down...12 would be good ...6 in the 1st half would set the tone....PF 17... Hold their big 3 (mentioned in the game preview) to 35 pts combined. Bottom line... Sung to the tune of Home on the Range.... Oh give me a home Where the Chaifetz all roam and the Bills and the Antelope play Where seldom is heard about the Dance bid word A win and we will be all on our way. I must have been drinking too much blue Kool Aid. Only 5 points? I would have guessed a few more. Sounds like this would be almost an even game on a neutral court and we would be a dog on the Lopes home court. SLUfan_42 1 Quote
The Wiz Posted November 13 Author Posted November 13 21 minutes ago, CenHudDude said: I must have been drinking too much blue Kool Aid. Only 5 points? I would have guessed a few more. Sounds like this would be almost an even game on a neutral court and we would be a dog on the Lopes home court. GC is a good team...they grade out as a B...we are at B+...This will be the first real test for the Bills...if we shoot like we did against Lwood , we will win by double digits. For more info reread the original post in this thread. CenHudDude 1 Quote
SLUfan_42 Posted November 13 Posted November 13 39 minutes ago, CenHudDude said: I must have been drinking too much blue Kool Aid. Only 5 points? I would have guessed a few more. Sounds like this would be almost an even game on a neutral court and we would be a dog on the Lopes home court. Same I was expecting double digits. But I’m consuming dangerous amounts of the blue stuff Quote
dlarry Posted November 13 Posted November 13 I was kind of thinking that too, but after hearing the “Grandy Glaze Canyon PPV College” podcast guy say the two returning starters from last year are now bench players, it changed my thinking. I'm still betting a double digit win but I am not surprised by the original spread. Bills are going to beat the "for profit" status right out of them. Quote
SLUfan_42 Posted November 13 Posted November 13 6 minutes ago, dlarry said: I was kind of thinking that too, but after hearing the “Grandy Glaze Canyon PPV College” podcast guy say the two returning starters from last year are now bench players, it changed my thinking. I'm still betting a double digit win but I am not surprised by the original spread. Bills are going to beat the "for profit" status right out of them. I’m actually very interested in the financials and how they work Quote
Matty Light Posted November 13 Posted November 13 I wonder how Indiana State’s greatest player feels about former Sycamores coach Schertz’s 2 pt. philosophy. Larry Bird was king of the 2 pt shot. Even though he won the first three 3 point Shootouts he was even better at cooking defenses with the 2 pt bucket. Most of them were not layups. Quote
The Wiz Posted November 13 Author Posted November 13 48 minutes ago, SLUfan_42 said: Same I was expecting double digits. But I’m consuming dangerous amounts of the blue stuff In case of blue kool aid...take 1 or 2 Wiz posts before bed and call me in the morning.. SLUfan_42, CenHudDude and Adman 1 2 Quote
CenHudDude Posted November 13 Posted November 13 1 hour ago, dlarry said: I was kind of thinking that too, but after hearing the “Grandy Glaze Canyon PPV College” podcast guy say the two returning starters from last year are now bench players, it changed my thinking. I'm still betting a double digit win but I am not surprised by the original spread. Bills are going to beat the "for profit" status right out of them. Actually they are now “not for profit”. 50 minutes ago, The Wiz said: In case of blue kool aid...take 1 or 2 Wiz posts before bed and call me in the morning.. Quote
JohnnyJumpUp Posted November 13 Posted November 13 1 hour ago, Matty Light said: I wonder how Indiana State’s greatest player feels about former Sycamores coach Schertz’s 2 pt. philosophy. Larry Bird was king of the 2 pt shot. Even though he won the first three 3 point Shootouts he was even better at cooking defenses with the 2 pt bucket. Most of them were not layups. If we had a team full of Larry Birds, I'm sure Schertz would let them shoot wherever they wanted to. We don't have the king of the two point shot on the squad though. Quote
laker119 Posted November 13 Posted November 13 1 hour ago, Matty Light said: I wonder how Indiana State’s greatest player feels about former Sycamores coach Schertz’s 2 pt. philosophy. Larry Bird was king of the 2 pt shot. Even though he won the first three 3 point Shootouts he was even better at cooking defenses with the 2 pt bucket. Most of them were not layups. The long 2 pt jump shot is the worst and most inefficient shot in basketball. It’s always been that way, but it was only recently made a priority. If your team can shoot around 35-40 ish percent from 3 and a super high percentage on layups and FTs, shooting long 2s is idiotic. I’m sure Larry would agree. Quote
Pistol Posted November 13 Posted November 13 45 minutes ago, CenHudDude said: Actually they are now “not for profit”. Tell that to their stock ticker (Nasdaq: LOPE). Or their SEC filings. The IRS granted GCU 501(c)(3) status in May, which allows it to operate in a grey area as a non-profit university run by a for-profit corporation. From the most recent 10-K: "Grand Canyon Education, Inc., a Delaware corporation (“GCE” or the “Company”) is a publicly traded education services company dedicated to serving colleges and universities. GCE has developed significant technological solutions, infrastructure and operational processes to provide services to these institutions on a large scale. GCE’s most significant university partner is Grand Canyon University (“GCU”), an Arizona non-profit corporation that operates a comprehensive regionally accredited university that offers graduate and undergraduate degree programs, emphases and certificates across ten colleges both online and on ground at its campus in Phoenix, Arizona and at eight off-campus classroom and laboratory sites. As of December 31, 2024, GCE provided education services and support to approximately 127,150 students with more than 123,100 students enrolled in GCU’s programs, emphases and certificates." The non-profit status came in tandem with the DOJ dropping 8-figure claims against GCE/GCU for fraudulent practices. Both of these things were possible due to the change in presidential administration (this is not a statement of political opinion, so please no one derail this thread; it is all out in the open). Almost 80% of GCU students are online students. The official GCU website has a feature called "Is Grand Canyon University a Diploma Mill?" There's an endless supply of articles written about GCU's profit-driven practices over the years. Bottom line is that GCU itself is now technically considered not-for-profit, but it is a subsidiary of a publicly traded company whose revenues are derived primarily from GCU's operations. To call it a non-profit is misleading. Zink, SLUfan_42 and SLU_Lax 3 Quote
WUH Posted November 13 Posted November 13 I hope the student section is relatively full. They are giving away cowboy hats to the first 500 students in attendance. Quote
WUH Posted November 13 Posted November 13 In a world in which Harvard operates as a non-profit, should we really care about Grand Canyon? brianstl and dennis_w 2 Quote
Old guy Posted November 13 Posted November 13 12 minutes ago, WUH said: In a world in which Harvard operates as a non-profit, should we really care about Grand Canyon? Not entirely, the current issue of the Harvard magazine boasts their lower court wins against the administration but reveals that research grants have been reduced and that they are currently paying significant taxes for at least part of their income. The interesting thing is that all the court decisions up to date are going to higher court levels where they will probably be changed. So Harvard is not currently a totally non profit enterprise as per this information, and it is not known how the current status will change at higher court levels. Of course, this does not affect their endowment which is very large. I think that the tax status of Colleges and Universities is likely to change. Their income, at least in some cases, is too large to be allowed to stay tax free. Quote
WUH Posted November 13 Posted November 13 2 hours ago, Old guy said: Not entirely, the current issue of the Harvard magazine boasts their lower court wins against the administration but reveals that research grants have been reduced and that they are currently paying significant taxes for at least part of their income. That was my point, more or less. Quote
Dr Bird Posted November 13 Posted November 13 2 hours ago, WUH said: In a world in which Harvard operates as a non-profit, should we really care about Grand Canyon? I agree. I'm grateful to play a team that somewhat moves the needle. A win by us will be viewed favorably, regardless of their profit / non-profit status. Quote
billikenfan05 Posted November 13 Posted November 13 3 hours ago, WUH said: I hope the student section is relatively full. They are giving away cowboy hats to the first 500 students in attendance. Do students want a Billiken Cowboy hat or is this some sort of American West love letter to Grand Canyon? WUH 1 Quote
SLUfan_42 Posted November 13 Posted November 13 I’d rock that Billiken cowboy hat on a lake somewhere 10000% Quote
billikenfan05 Posted November 13 Posted November 13 31 minutes ago, SLUfan_42 said: I’d rock that Billiken cowboy hat on a lake somewhere 10000% TheA_Bomb 1 Quote
BIG BILL FAN Posted November 13 Posted November 13 5 hours ago, Pistol said: Tell that to their stock ticker (Nasdaq: LOPE). Or their SEC filings. The IRS granted GCU 501(c)(3) status in May, which allows it to operate in a grey area as a non-profit university run by a for-profit corporation. From the most recent 10-K: "Grand Canyon Education, Inc., a Delaware corporation (“GCE” or the “Company”) is a publicly traded education services company dedicated to serving colleges and universities. GCE has developed significant technological solutions, infrastructure and operational processes to provide services to these institutions on a large scale. GCE’s most significant university partner is Grand Canyon University (“GCU”), an Arizona non-profit corporation that operates a comprehensive regionally accredited university that offers graduate and undergraduate degree programs, emphases and certificates across ten colleges both online and on ground at its campus in Phoenix, Arizona and at eight off-campus classroom and laboratory sites. As of December 31, 2024, GCE provided education services and support to approximately 127,150 students with more than 123,100 students enrolled in GCU’s programs, emphases and certificates." The non-profit status came in tandem with the DOJ dropping 8-figure claims against GCE/GCU for fraudulent practices. Both of these things were possible due to the change in presidential administration (this is not a statement of political opinion, so please no one derail this thread; it is all out in the open). Almost 80% of GCU students are online students. The official GCU website has a feature called "Is Grand Canyon University a Diploma Mill?" There's an endless supply of articles written about GCU's profit-driven practices over the years. Bottom line is that GCU itself is now technically considered not-for-profit, but it is a subsidiary of a publicly traded company whose revenues are derived primarily from GCU's operations. To call it a non-profit is misleading. So why do you care? Are you seriously trying to tell me that SLU or any other so called non profit isn’t interested in money? News flash, money is how they all stay open. Your disdain and bitterness towards them is ridiculous. HenryB 1 Quote
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