GDT: SLU v. Southeast Missouri State

[Old guy]

@WUH The selection process to the available at large slots for the Dance for schools that do not win their conference tournaments has, in my opinion, much more to do with maximizing the expected revenue or viewership than with NET efficiency results, logic or fairness. Money is king.

I think the power schools look at the at large schools chosen the attend the Dance and the winners of lower level conferences as low lying fruit ready to be harvested by them. 

 

[billiken_roy]

while both mccottrey and jones showed the ability to get to the rim, however, imo neither is a very good lead/point guard.   they both decide it's their turn and if lebron james was wide open under the basket, they arent going to pass it to him.    maybe its a different game today and coach wants them to think "i'm the scorer", but they both seem selfish to me.   now it's hard to argue with what mccottrey did last night when he had the ball in his hands and like i said, they can get to the rim.  but we also have about 6 outstanding three point shooters and at least be aware they are standing on the 3 point line wide open.  

[MusicCityBilliken]

1 hour ago, billiken_roy said:

the biggest issue with the lower bowl seats that are empty imo, is that in all likelihood they are highroller/booster season tix.   the question should be, if they arent going, and they are the highroller big boosters seats, if they arent going cant they just give them away to fill the arena and just maybe they encourage someone to become a season ticket holder or even another booster?

It certainly would look better for the TV broadcast. 

[cheeseman]

1 hour ago, billiken_roy said:

the biggest issue with the lower bowl seats that are empty imo, is that in all likelihood they are highroller/booster season tix.   the question should be, if they arent going, and they are the highroller big boosters seats, if they arent going cant they just give them away to fill the arena and just maybe they encourage someone to become a season ticket holder or even another booster?

They will be able to give them away when we are winning and are nationally relevant.  Companies don't have someone whose job it is to find people to go to games of any sport.  People ask about it then they get them.  Salespeople can't give them away unless they know someone is a Bills fan.  Our problem is and always has been not having a sustaining presence.

[jonny karate]

In terms of attendance gotta earn a crowd

[Crewsorlose]

On KenPom SEMO is #259. Chicago State is #362! (When I was a kid, there were only 300 D1 teams). Let's hope SEMO ends up above #200. 

Last night I saw a team with some jitters, some butter fingers, but a lot of contributors. Tough whistle in the 2nd half. Green was awful to start the game but settled in. Dion Brown has intriguing physicality. But the standout to me was Otieno. Oh my! Unlucky with one or two foul calls but way more skilled than I was expecting. 

The next two games should be boring blowouts. Grand Canyon will be a real test. Run the table through Palm Desert and they'll be ranked in the top 25 by the end of the month. 

[wgstl]

19 minutes ago, Crewsorlose said:

On KenPom SEMO is #259. Chicago State is #362! 

Fwiw T-rank, who typically is a little better than KP for early in the season rankings, has SEMO at 177.  Let’s hope T-rank ends up being right and not KP

[Taj79]

Anya was on the bench.  I saw a lot of Jordair Jett in what McCottrey was doing but tempered it with "it's just SEMO."  As some have pointed out, there were obvious opening night jitters and tightness, the speed of the game favored sloppiness, between the three of them the seven-footers for SEMO didn't equal one D1 player, this team has shooters, Otierno got too many sloppy fouls, but the refs were questionable especially in the second half.  

I too don't see a true point guard at this point bit Jones, Green and Brown all have possibilities.  Fifteen TOs with ten from McCottrey, Brown and Jones.  Thames also overexcited.  Overall, the biggest difference was our bench and to have such depth is atypical for SLU.  Three blah games before Grand Canyon so time to work things out.  Can't really complain about the start.  SEMO might be good in the OVC but the OVC is below the Mo Valley .... which is already a few steps below the top A10 teams.  

The average margin of victory in the A10 last night was 21 points.  Of note, the Bonnies beat Bradley by 6 on a neutral court, and only Loyola was really challenged (by Cleveland State at home) in the 11 games.  The overall competition gives little credence to the results.

[WVBilliken]

13 hours ago, SLU_Nick said:

Sloppy, but at least we are playing fast.  Should wear them down. 
 

Our defense is bad and we can’t shoot (yet) 

SLU shot 49.3% from the field and 81% from the line for the game.   Think I'd take that most games.  Just move up the 3 point % from 31% they shot this game to 35%+ and this team is cooking!

[Crewsorlose]

19 minutes ago, Taj79 said:

Anya was on the bench.  I saw a lot of Jordair Jett in what McCottrey was doing but tempered it with "it's just SEMO."  As some have pointed out, there were obvious opening night jitters and tightness, the speed of the game favored sloppiness, between the three of them the seven-footers for SEMO didn't equal one D1 player, this team has shooters, Otierno got too many sloppy fouls, but the refs were questionable especially in the second half.  

I too don't see a true point guard at this point bit Jones, Green and Brown all have possibilities.  Fifteen TOs with ten from McCottrey, Brown and Jones.  Thames also overexcited.  Overall, the biggest difference was our bench and to have such depth is atypical for SLU.  Three blah games before Grand Canyon so time to work things out.  Can't really complain about the start.  SEMO might be good in the OVC but the OVC is below the Mo Valley .... which is already a few steps below the top A10 teams.  

The average margin of victory in the A10 last night was 21 points.  Of note, the Bonnies beat Bradley by 6 on a neutral court, and only Loyola was really challenged (by Cleveland State at home) in the 11 games.  The overall competition gives little credence to the results.

Great night for the conference. 

[Cowboy]

-a nice win, beat the spread, we keep doing that and all will be well

-I thought SEMO had too many open looks, we were scrambling on defense too often, a better team makes more of those shots and I hope we get better with our coverages and that we expand from the simple press but I understand possibly not wanting to show that yet

-Dion needs to throttle back a bit or maybe a lot

-on to the next one

[WVBilliken]

10 hours ago, Dr. Holly Hills said:

I didn’t see Anya on the bench either.  Maybe I missed him though.

Anya was on the bench.

[billiken_roy]

37 minutes ago, cheeseman said:

They will be able to give them away when we are winning and are nationally relevant.  Companies don't have someone whose job it is to find people to go to games of any sport.  People ask about it then they get them.  Salespeople can't give them away unless they know someone is a Bills fan.  Our problem is and always has been not having a sustaining presence.

no matter where i worked over the last 43 years of my career.   i never ever had a problem giving away tickets.   and my tickets arent as nice as those center section seats.   

[almaman]

2 hours ago, Billikenbooster said:

KenPom went from 65 to 64 after this game!

Wait till we conquer principia & Lindenwood

[Box and Won]

16 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

no matter where i worked over the last 43 years of my career.   i never ever had a problem giving away tickets.   and my tickets arent as nice as those center section seats.   

My wife's company owns four of those seats. They often go unused because no one wants them, particularly for early non-con dog sh-- opponents but even sometimes against A10 dog sh-- opponents. I suppose you could treat that as a barometer for how people who aren't affiliated with the university view the program.

[Adman]

1 hour ago, Crewsorlose said:

On KenPom SEMO is #259. Chicago State is #362! (When I was a kid, there were only 300 D1 teams). Let's hope SEMO ends up above #200. 

Last night I saw a team with some jitters, some butter fingers, but a lot of contributors. Tough whistle in the 2nd half. Green was awful to start the game but settled in. Dion Brown has intriguing physicality. But the standout to me was Otieno. Oh my! Unlucky with one or two foul calls but way more skilled than I was expecting. 

The next two games should be boring blowouts. Grand Canyon will be a real test. Run the table through Palm Desert and they'll be ranked in the top 25 by the end of the month. 

As I understand it, KenPom has the Bills favored in all games through their west coast trip to Palm Desert and LMU in Los Angeles. That'll be hard to pull off. But it is not an unreasonable scenario.

[CenHudDude]

44 minutes ago, WVBilliken said:

SLU shot 49.3% from the field and 81% from the line for the game.   Think I'd take that most games.  Just move up the 3 point % from 31% they shot this game to 35%+ and this team is cooking!

They also need to cut down on fouls.  You can’t put good teams in the double bonus early in each half and expect to win.

[OkieBilliken]

So did they address Dylan Warlick’s status?   Is he going to redshirt?   

[billikenbill]

3 minutes ago, OkieBilliken said:

So did they address Dylan Warlick’s status?   Is he going to redshirt?   

Has a personal issue. Will return after the next game.

[willie]

I was at the game so I didn't have the luxury of replay but I thought a lot of the foul calls were bogus and very late. 

[RyGuyBilliken]

2 hours ago, billiken_roy said:

while both mccottrey and jones showed the ability to get to the rim, however, imo neither is a very good lead/point guard.   they both decide it's their turn and if lebron james was wide open under the basket, they arent going to pass it to him.    maybe its a different game today and coach wants them to think "i'm the scorer", but they both seem selfish to me.   now it's hard to argue with what mccottrey did last night when he had the ball in his hands and like i said, they can get to the rim.  but we also have about 6 outstanding three point shooters and at least be aware they are standing on the 3 point line wide open.  

McCottry had several good kick outs last night. At least 1 to Robbie. Jones was fine, but unspectacular to me. 

[RyGuyBilliken]

10 minutes ago, willie said:

I was at the game so I didn't have the luxury of replay but I thought a lot of the foul calls were bogus and very late. 

Same. They let em play in the 1st half. Didn’t have ahh issues with officiating. Then in the 2nd half they called every little ticky-tack foul they could. I thought the defense looked significantly better. Better hedges, better help. The rebounding was tremendous.

[Dr. Holly Hills]

1 hour ago, Taj79 said:

Anya was on the bench.  I saw a lot of Jordair Jett in what McCottrey was doing but tempered it with "it's just SEMO."  As some have pointed out, there were obvious opening night jitters and tightness, the speed of the game favored sloppiness, between the three of them the seven-footers for SEMO didn't equal one D1 player, this team has shooters, Otierno got too many sloppy fouls, but the refs were questionable especially in the second half.  

I too don't see a true point guard at this point bit Jones, Green and Brown all have possibilities.  Fifteen TOs with ten from McCottrey, Brown and Jones.  Thames also overexcited.  Overall, the biggest difference was our bench and to have such depth is atypical for SLU.  Three blah games before Grand Canyon so time to work things out.  Can't really complain about the start.  SEMO might be good in the OVC but the OVC is below the Mo Valley .... which is already a few steps below the top A10 teams.  

The average margin of victory in the A10 last night was 21 points.  Of note, the Bonnies beat Bradley by 6 on a neutral court, and only Loyola was really challenged (by Cleveland State at home) in the 11 games.  The overall competition gives little credence to the results.

I agree with you on the lack of "point guard"/true ball handler.  Nit picking a 25 point win, I still don't trust McCottrey with making the right decision and Jones flat out looked erratic at times to me.  15 team turnovers and a lot of tipped passes as well.

From another comment regarding McCottrey and Jones playing one-on-one ball, yes, the ball did stick a little.  However, it's early in the season... Our offense looked flat out bad at this time last year.  I think Schertz will get them playing team ball soon.

[RyGuyBilliken]

6 minutes ago, Dr. Holly Hills said:

I agree with you on the lack of "point guard"/true ball handler.  Nit picking a 25 point win, I still don't trust McCottrey with making the right decision and Jones flat out looked erratic at times to me.  15 team turnovers and a lot of tipped passes as well.

From another comment regarding McCottrey and Jones playing one-on-one ball, yes, the ball did stick a little.  However, it's early in the season... Our offense looked flat out bad at this time last year.  I think Schertz will get them playing team ball soon.

It should also be stated that SEMO has been one of the best in the country at guarding the 3 as well. That’s something they hang their hat on. I expect a lot of the sloppiness to just be 1st game nerves. Because most of those mistakes were simply from being over aggressive and trying to do too much. Once guys settle in, some of that will correct themselves. If it’s still an issue against Grand Canyon, I’ll start to get more concerned 

[billiken_roy]

56 minutes ago, Box and Won said:

My wife's company owns four of those seats. They often go unused because no one wants them, particularly for early non-con dog sh-- opponents but even sometimes against A10 dog sh-- opponents. I suppose you could treat that as a barometer for how people who aren't affiliated with the university view the program.

there's a reason they arent season ticket holders.   the definition of casual fans at best.   i think what's ironic, the mediocre team imo gives one the greatest opportunity to enjoy the days that are memorable.   i wouldnt give up my seats for all the money in the world and if you cant take something away from all the games, be it a good moment or a horrible performance, you really dont know basketball and dont know how to watch a game imo.   stay home and watch duke.