GDT: SLU v. Southeast Missouri State

[RyGuyBilliken]

12 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

I want to see these 3 point bombers doing what they do best.   Shooting and when a guard dribbles into a mess and gets nothing......not good  if three guys that can fill it up are just standing there.   Yes mccottrey was successful last night. But let's remember it take3 layups to equal 2 threes.  And when our guys are making 3's at nearly 40%, the spread will be even more.

Schertz’ offense is based off of high efficiency shots. McCottry driving was the highest efficiency shot we took last night outside of free throws. It was almost automatic. I don’t want McCottry ever giving up free points. But the situation also requires context. SEMO is one of the best teams in the country at taking away the 3. But I also would argue that we took plenty of 3’s last night too. 29 of 67 FG attempts were 3’s. A bigger issue is that we only made 9 of them, but most of them were wide open looks. My guess is that there will be plenty of “drive and kicks” as the season progresses and we play teams that protect the rim better than SEMO did. But I’ll take an (almost) automatic layup everyday and twice on Sunday. 

[billikenfan05]

4 minutes ago, RyGuyBilliken said:

Schertz’ offense is based off of high efficiency shots. McCottry driving was the highest efficiency shot we took last night outside of free throws. It was almost automatic. I don’t want McCottry ever giving up free points. But the situation also requires context. SEMO is one of the best teams in the country at taking away the 3. But I also would argue that we took plenty of 3’s last night too. 29 of 67 FG attempts were 3’s. A bigger issue is that we only made 9 of them, but most of them were wide open looks. My guess is that there will be plenty of “drive and kicks” as the season progresses and we play teams that protect the rim better than SEMO did. But I’ll take an (almost) automatic layup everyday and twice on Sunday. 

Felt like that title went to Thames driving last night. 

[SLUfan_42]

25 minutes ago, RyGuyBilliken said:

Schertz’ offense is based off of high efficiency shots. McCottry driving was the highest efficiency shot we took last night outside of free throws. It was almost automatic. I don’t want McCottry ever giving up free points. But the situation also requires context. SEMO is one of the best teams in the country at taking away the 3. But I also would argue that we took plenty of 3’s last night too. 29 of 67 FG attempts were 3’s. A bigger issue is that we only made 9 of them, but most of them were wide open looks. My guess is that there will be plenty of “drive and kicks” as the season progresses and we play teams that protect the rim better than SEMO did. But I’ll take an (almost) automatic layup everyday and twice on Sunday. 

We are debating on how we should be scoring after dropping 92 points.  This year is awesome 

[RyGuyBilliken]

50 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said:

Felt like that title went to Thames driving last night. 

Both probably. It just felt to me like McCottry could get to the rim at will, almost like Jordair could. I’m gonna stop short of making that comparison until I see him do it against legit competition, but I feel like that’s McCottry’s ceiling. And if he reaches that potential, hoooooo man, that’s fun to think about.

[JohnnyJumpUp]

21 minutes ago, RyGuyBilliken said:

Both probably. It just felt to me like McCottry could get to the rim at will, almost like Jordair could. I’m gonna stop short of making that comparison until I see him do it against legit competition, but I feel like that’s McCottry’s ceiling. And if he reaches that potential, hoooooo man, that’s fun to think about.

That baseline spin move was a thing of beauty.

[thunderdan]

8 hours ago, SLUfan_42 said:

Also, the benefit of a fresh Robbie is massive.  There is so much less on his shoulders.  Jumper had lift.  Efficiency should be ridiculous.  Expecting a massive year from him

I also love the fact that Robbie won't have to guard the opposing team's big man.  His low post defense is dreadful.  Hopefully Otieno can stay out of foul trouble, and take over that gig.  If so, Robbie will stay even fresher. 

[SLUfan_42]

26 minutes ago, thunderdan said:

I also love the fact that Robbie won't have to guard the opposing team's big man.  His low post defense is dreadful.  Hopefully Otieno can stay out of foul trouble, and take over that gig.  If so, Robbie will stay even fresher. 

Yep.  I think the wings are big enough to guard up too

[billiken_roy]

11 hours ago, RyGuyBilliken said:

My guess is that there will be plenty of “drive and kicks” as the season progresses and we play teams that protect the rim better than SEMO did. But I’ll take an (almost) automatic layup everyday and twice on Sunday. 

mccottrey and jones have to actually be aware there are 3 or 4 other players on the floor that can shoot before that happens.   they dont even look.  as soon as they get the ball they go.  not my cup of tea.   

[RyGuyBilliken]

2 hours ago, billiken_roy said:

mccottrey and jones have to actually be aware there are 3 or 4 other players on the floor that can shoot before that happens.   they dont even look.  as soon as they get the ball they go.  not my cup of tea.   

You’re basing all of this on one game. I mean…seriously? You’re calling them ball hogs after one game…when McCottry went 7-8 from the field and Brown went 5-7 from the field? They literally shot 80% from the field combined and you’re complaining that they took those shots. Okay…I really don’t know what else to say.

[HoosierPal]

14 minutes ago, RyGuyBilliken said:

You’re basing all of this on one game. I mean…seriously? You’re calling them ball hogs after one game…when McCottry went 7-8 from the field and Brown went 5-7 from the field? They literally shot 80% from the field combined and you’re complaining that they took those shots. Okay…I really don’t know what else to say.

McCottry was 7-8 from the paint.  Brown was 4-6 from the paint.  Thames was 5-7 from the paint.  Jones was 3-5 from the paint.  That's 19-26 or 73%.  I'll take that every single game.  

You would need 49% from the arc to match that.  Keep driving guys.

[billiken_roy]

38 minutes ago, RyGuyBilliken said:

You’re basing all of this on one game. I mean…seriously? You’re calling them ball hogs after one game…when McCottry went 7-8 from the field and Brown went 5-7 from the field? They literally shot 80% from the field combined and you’re complaining that they took those shots. Okay…I really don’t know what else to say.

no go back and read.  i have been saying it about mccottrey since he got to slu.  great athlete, still deep into learning basketball though imo.   his athleticism masks his basketball deficiencies.   i believe he will learn.  but he isnt the end all yet.   jones, i have been saying since the two scrimmages.   he's never met a shot he didnt like.

[RyGuyBilliken]

32 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

no go back and read.  i have been saying it about mccottrey since he got to slu.  great athlete, still deep into learning basketball though imo.   his athleticism masks his basketball deficiencies.   i believe he will learn.  but he isnt the end all yet.   jones, i have been saying since the two scrimmages.   he's never met a shot he didnt like.

You didn’t address anything I actually responded with though. You just confirmed the biases you have against 2 of our more productive players. If they’re shooting 80% on the shots they’re taking, I don’t want them passing out of those shots…ever. 

[BIG BILL FAN]

31 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

no go back and read.  i have been saying it about mccottrey since he got to slu.  great athlete, still deep into learning basketball though imo.   his athleticism masks his basketball deficiencies.   i believe he will learn.  but he isnt the end all yet.   jones, i have been saying since the two scrimmages.   he's never met a shot he didnt like.

McCottrey shot 53% from the field last year, and even made 38% from 3. He does struggle at times with his decision making which should improve with experience. McCottrey’s aggressiveness is going to put a lot of our opponents on the bench because of the fouls he will draw. 3’s are great but there are times late in a game you just need a score. 

[RyGuyBilliken]

4 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said:

McCottrey shot 53% from the field last year, and even made 38% from 3. He does struggle at times with his decision making which should improve with experience. McCottrey’s aggressiveness is going to put a lot of our opponents on the bench because of the fouls he will draw. 3’s are great but there are times late in a game you just need a score. 

And it depends on the matchup. SEMO didn’t have any defenders who could stop McCottry from getting to the rim. We will eventually play teams that excel at protecting the rim, and McCottry will need to be able to pass out of those drives. Reports suggest that that’s something he’s been working on all offseason and actually become quite good at. But if a team is giving him a free bucket, I don’t want him passing out of it. 

[thunderdan]

Did anyone else notice that, when Ackerman and Highmark were saying that all of the D1 Missouri teams should play each other every year, they said that there were 5 D1 teams in the state.  They listed SLU, Mizzou, UMKC, SEMO, and Missouri St. 

Poor Lindenwood. 

[WUH]

On 11/3/2025 at 9:43 PM, Bay Area Billiken said:

Attendance:  5,364.

In case anyone is curious how the attendance compares to last season, non-conference games.  At least two of these included major ticket giveaways.

I would have expected more SLU fans in the seats with more opposing team fans than typical.

vs. Avila: 4925

vs. Loyola Marymont: 5,210

vs. Quinnipiac: 4,225 

vs. UMass Lowell: 4,925

vs. Jackson State: 3,810

vs. Chicago State: 4,815

vs. William Woods: 5,139

The season average last year was 5,966.

 

 

 

[Adman]

2 hours ago, WUH said:

In case anyone is curious how the attendance compares to last season, non-conference games.  At least two of these included major ticket giveaways.

I would have expected more SLU fans in the seats with more opposing team fans than typical.

vs. Avila: 4925

vs. Loyola Marymont: 5,210

vs. Quinnipiac: 4,225 

vs. UMass Lowell: 4,925

vs. Jackson State: 3,810

vs. Chicago State: 4,815

vs. William Woods: 5,139

The season average last year was 5,966.

 

 

 

Agree, I would have expected more fans in seats vs SEMO. SLU is getting some early pub, but is not quite a story in the market yet. Give it a bit of time. It should keep growing as long as we keep winning... even if the non-conference is soft overall. 

[billiken_roy]

6 hours ago, RyGuyBilliken said:

You didn’t address anything I actually responded with though. You just confirmed the biases you have against 2 of our more productive players. If they’re shooting 80% on the shots they’re taking, I don’t want them passing out of those shots…ever. 

You think mccottrey will shoot 80% for the season?  Also if you go back and read everything I posted as bout mccottrey since Monday's game, I praised what he did scoring.   I just said that I don't think he should be the lead guard if he is a score first pass second player.   

I wouldn't have said a word if he was on the wing, received the pass and went to the basket.  I just want a less selfish player with the ball when coming initially into the half court offense.   

 

[willie]

32 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

You think mccottrey will shoot 80% for the season?  Also if you go back and read everything I posted as bout mccottrey since Monday's game, I praised what he did scoring.   I just said that I don't think he should be the lead guard if he is a score first pass second player.   

I wouldn't have said a word if he was on the wing, received the pass and went to the basket.  I just want a less selfish player with the ball when coming initially into the half court offense.   

 

I don’t particularly like your word selfish. 

[RyGuyBilliken]

6 hours ago, billiken_roy said:

You think mccottrey will shoot 80% for the season?  Also if you go back and read everything I posted as bout mccottrey since Monday's game, I praised what he did scoring.   I just said that I don't think he should be the lead guard if he is a score first pass second player.   

I wouldn't have said a word if he was on the wing, received the pass and went to the basket.  I just want a less selfish player with the ball when coming initially into the half court offense.   

 

He’s not “selfish”. Hes doing exactly what Schertz wants him to do. The days of John Stockton are gone, and just prove how unique Yuri really was. Schertz does not recruit pass-first guards. He just doesn’t. That’s not how his offense works. This won’t be the last season in Schertz’ tenure at SLU where we don’t have a true pass-first point guard. You might as well start preparing for it now. I’d also suggest subscribing to Stu’s Substack where he’s repeatedly discussed how much McCottry has improved with his drive-and-kick game and how Schertz has called McCottry “the key to reaching our ceiling this season”. All of this information’s out there and readily available for you. I didn’t just make it up for fun

[billikenbill]

7 hours ago, RyGuyBilliken said:

He’s not “selfish”. Hes doing exactly what Schertz wants him to do. The days of John Stockton are gone, and just prove how unique Yuri really was. Schertz does not recruit pass-first guards. He just doesn’t. That’s not how his offense works. This won’t be the last season in Schertz’ tenure at SLU where we don’t have a true pass-first point guard. You might as well start preparing for it now. I’d also suggest subscribing to Stu’s Substack where he’s repeatedly discussed how much McCottry has improved with his drive-and-kick game and how Schertz has called McCottry “the key to reaching our ceiling this season”. All of this information’s out there and readily available for you. I didn’t just make it up for fun

For $50/yr. you get the best SLU coverage available at Stu on SLU. Highly recommend it.

[almaman]

On 11/4/2025 at 12:42 PM, cgeldmacher said:

I liked the pieces we had.  This game did not impress me, though.  McCottry and Thames are not going to be able to weave through four defenders and lay the ball in against good teams.  I hate when we play like an AAU team in the early schedule, because I don't think we learn anything from it.  Coach said after the game that we did not share the ball enough.  I agree.  You're the coach.  Take care of that.  If the staff lets guys play a style that isn't going to be successful against better teams, that's where we end up getting burned the first time we play better talent and then take a non-conference loss we shouldn't.  Hopefully, coach cleans this up.

do we have more than 1/2 good teams on our schedule?