GDT: SLU v. Duquense

[David King]

11 hours ago, billikenbill said:

I’ll say it, Avila sucks.

He's the best player on the team. 

 

11 hours ago, billikenbill said:

Swope joined him in the pukefest. Can’t even be mad about this loss. Just not a good team.

What is far more annoying than a poster erroneously predicting a blowout in the first half of a game, is the people that erroneously call out losses well before the game is over.

[BrettJollyComedyHour]

1 minute ago, David King said:

He's the best player on the team. 

Nah that's Gibson.

[Old guy]

This one was a tight game and Duquesne was doing a good job against SLU. We did not play our best game ever, at times it was not pretty, BUT we never gave up and kept on going until we won the game in overtime. Whatever it was that worked it worked at the end of the game. A win by 2 points. Well done Bills!

Now onto the A10 tournament in DC

[billikenbill]

16 minutes ago, Franchise_08 said:

Our gimmick coach pulled it off

It’s his leadership!!

[billikenbill]

Rammer called ballgame with :41 to go in regulation, so Rammer’s a moron. Welcome to the moron club Rammer!!

[Lando Griffin]

45 minutes ago, Franchise_08 said:

Our gimmick coach pulled it off

lol.  Freezing cold take.

[HoosierPal]

@studurando·58m

Swope and Avila have scored the last 18 points for SLU, none bigger than a 3 by Avila to put the Billikens on top 90-85 with 31 seconds left in OT.

[Fraz]

This 5 seed is an awesome draw if you ask me

[SluSignGuy]

34 minutes ago, Fraz said:

This 5 seed is an awesome draw if you ask me

I am actually OK being on VCU's side of the bracket.  I would rather play them sooner (and Fresher) than later.

Also, very much cart before horse here...

[Fraz]

And we’ve beaten them

[billiken_roy]

there is no team in this conference unbeatable.   and we can win easily if the keep the turnovers down, rebound and make threes.  thus far the billikens have shown these three aspects to be the exception not the norm.   imo, turnovers and rebounds have nothing to do with skill and athleticism, that is all on focus and effort.  so it frustrates me to no end when we lose games because of turnovers and rebounds.  

[cheeseman]

29 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

there is no team in this conference unbeatable.   and we can win easily if the keep the turnovers down, rebound and make threes.  thus far the billikens have shown these three aspects to be the exception not the norm.   imo, turnovers and rebounds have nothing to do with skill and athleticism, that is all on focus and effort.  so it frustrates me to no end when we lose games because of turnovers and rebounds.  

You are correct - TOs have nothing to do with athleticism but it can have something to do with rebounding.  Yes, players can be taught how to rebound without having to jump out of the building but then you have to be willing to lower your offensive output.  Neither is a bad thing.  The big problem with TOs is they can create a 4 point swing situation - you don't get the chance to score 2 but you also give them a chance to score off of it.  Last night the TO differential gave the Dukies something like 10 more possessions and they were shooting decently from the field so that was a big issue.  TOs drive me crazy - if you don't understand the importance of protecting the ball then you will always find yourself behind.  That jump ball at the end that gave Swope the chance to hit that three was a potential 5 point swing for our favor.  Being down 6 at the time made that play huge for us.  No jump ball they run time off the clock and maybe increase their lead by 8 which would have been game over.  Instead, we cut the lead to 3.  I think Coach hates TOs as much given his comment about Robbie during the senior activities when his  tongue in cheek comment about seeing Robbie setting the Arena record for TOs.  Robbie is like that old saying - Women can't live with them or without them.

 

 

[Gremio14]

10 hours ago, Franchise_08 said:

Swope Show...what a pass

Compadre is stone cold taking 3 point shots in the dying seconds to win or tie games.  Stone cold.

[NextYearBill]

Swope gonna Isabell this A10 tourney 

[billiken_roy]

41 minutes ago, cheeseman said:

You are correct - TOs have nothing to do with athleticism but it can have something to do with rebounding.  Yes, players can be taught how to rebound without having to jump out of the building but then you have to be willing to lower your offensive output.  Neither is a bad thing.  The big problem with TOs is they can create a 4 point swing situation - you don't get the chance to score 2 but you also give them a chance to score off of it.  Last night the TO differential gave the Dukies something like 10 more possessions and they were shooting decently from the field so that was a big issue.  TOs drive me crazy - if you don't understand the importance of protecting the ball then you will always find yourself behind.  That jump ball at the end that gave Swope the chance to hit that three was a potential 5 point swing for our favor.  Being down 6 at the time made that play huge for us.  No jump ball they run time off the clock and maybe increase their lead by 8 which would have been game over.  Instead, we cut the lead to 3.  I think Coach hates TOs as much given his comment about Robbie during the senior activities when his  tongue in cheek comment about seeing Robbie setting the Arena record for TOs.  Robbie is like that old saying - Women can't live with them or without them.

 

 

oh i am not insinuating you can be a better rebounder just because you can jump higher.   but i have seen time and time again a player succeed in rebounding because they are focused on the task, they are smart enough to get position and hold the opposing player back with technique and then focus on getting the ball.   yesterday jimerson led both teams in rebounds.   he wasnt close to being the tallest, fastest, best athlete on the floor.  yet he succeeded.    

the turnover thing with this year's billikens is maddening.   Avila and swope came into the season and expectations by a lot if not most of the fans were these were our two best players and would carry us to the ncaa tourney.   imo that would have happened if not for their turnovers.   and we werent talking about freshmen.   a senior and a junior that were two of the key players to a surprise Indiana State team that was fantastic last year.   yet here they were making passes, and allowing steals and committing mistakes that would be akin to some 7th grade rec league team rather than a competing team in a good (compared to all the conferences in D1) conference.   i contend those turnovers likely are the reason we are not waiting until friday to play next week as imo they cost us more than a couple of games this season.  

the good news is that with the focus, hustle, technique our rebounding and turnover problems can be overcome and we can win this who thing.   it is not a matter we dont have the talent and size and pure athleticism to have a chance next week.   we can win.  we just need our 5 (or six if you count our inexperience freshman player from Milwaukee now getting double digit minutes) to not turn the ball over and to rebound and defend to the best of their ability.   

im sure most of you will contend i am being too tough on Avila and Swope blaming them, but i suspect they are at least two of the most highly paid players on the team and such they are expected to do their job and with jimerson, carry this team.   once college basketball became a professional job sport, i think these players need to accept their are expectations they are being paid to do successfully and they need to be able to deal with it.   

we can win this, but to do so the big three need to be the without question big three in every game.   we need anya to return to the player he was before january 1 and own the rebounds, be the man defending the lane and not contribute to the turnovers and mistakes.  we need mccottrey to give us the error free hustle and determination he demonstrated in a number of games.   we do not need him to pretend he is the man on offense.   he very well may become such later in his college career, but for now we need him to just give us solid minutes when he is in there so we dont lose ground while johnson, anya, swope and jimerson get a couple minutes of rest.   and last, robbie needs to be nearly error free and do the job running the offense and being both an inside force on offense and making 4 out of 10 three pointers.   

there is nothing in the above paragraph that is impossible.   in fact imo it should be expected.   the billikens do this, we will win.    

[cheeseman]

2 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

oh i am not insinuating you can be a better rebounder just because you can jump higher.   but i have seen time and time again a player succeed in rebounding because they are focused on the task, they are smart enough to get position and hold the opposing player back with technique and then focus on getting the ball.   yesterday jimerson led both teams in rebounds.   he wasnt close to being the tallest, fastest, best athlete on the floor.  yet he succeeded.    

the turnover thing with this year's billikens is maddening.   Avila and swope came into the season and expectations by a lot if not most of the fans were these were our two best players and would carry us to the ncaa tourney.   imo that would have happened if not for their turnovers.   and we werent talking about freshmen.   a senior and a junior that were two of the key players to a surprise Indiana State team that was fantastic last year.   yet here they were making passes, and allowing steals and committing mistakes that would be akin to some 7th grade rec league team rather than a competing team in a good (compared to all the conferences in D1) conference.   i contend those turnovers likely is the reason we are not waiting until friday to play next week costing us more than a couple of games this season.  

the good news is that with the focus, hustle, technique our rebounding and turnover problems can be overcome and we can win this who thing.   it is not a matter we dont have the talent and size and pure athleticism to have a chance next week.   we can win.  we just need our 5 (or six if you count our inexperience freshman player from Milwaukee now getting double digit minutes) to not turn the ball over and to rebound and defend to the best of their ability.   

We agree

[billikenbill]

Incredible comeback. Jimerson was amazing, not only has his hot streak extended over 3 games, but he’s doing a great job of making tough twos. The Swope Show is wildly inconsistent but when he’s good, he is the show. Amazing end to a clunker of a game for 38 mins.

As Rammer said after Avila’s game-clinching three, “All your sins are forgiven Robbie, all your sins are forgiven!” If you have the time, listen to Rammer and Earl’s pbp from about 3 mins left in regulation. As my son said, there needs to be a Rammer cam so his reactions can be seen. Best announcing team in college hoops by far.

Last thing, Johnson and McCottry were the unsung heros making timely buckets and the invisible plays that don’t show up in the stat sheet.

Incredible comeback, well done Billikens. Get it done in DC!!

[Scoop]

59 minutes ago, NextYearBill said:

Swope gonna Isabell this A10 tourney 

He straight up could.  LFG.

[73Billiken]

37 minutes ago, billikenbill said:

Incredible comeback. Jimerson was amazing, not only has his hot streak extended over 3 games, but he’s doing a great job of making tough twos. The Swope Show is wildly inconsistent but when he’s good, he is the show. Amazing end to a clunker of a game for 38 mins.

As Rammer said after Avila’s game-clinching three, “All your sins are forgiven Robbie, all your sins are forgiven!” If you have the time, listen to Rammer and Earl’s pbp from about 3 mins left in regulation. As my son said, there needs to be a Rammer cam so his reactions can be seen. Best announcing team in college hoops by far.

Last thing, Johnson and McCottry were the unsung heros making timely buckets and the invisible plays that don’t show up in the stat sheet.

Incredible comeback, well done Billikens. Get it done in DC!!

Not to be a Negative Nancy but if Avila misses that game clincher all that would be remembered is the 10 TURNOVERS....

Avila can be a great shooter and makes some great passes but his inconsistency at times is maddening; the A10 is not the Valley.

Too many flip shots at the rim that miss and too soft with the ball.

Can he dunk?  How much taller does he need to be?

As they say, the numbers speak for themselves and the turnover number is not acceptable.

 

 

 

 

 

[slu72]

With our short bench it’ll be tough. However, if our big 3 are on their games who knows. Kobe is consistent although lately he’s seemed to be a little shy on O. Anya just has to concentrate on boards and hitting the bunnies. But the in our armor is TO’s. They have plagued us the entire season with few exceptions. As someone posted a TO creates a 4 pt swing or even a 6 pt swing. I seem to recall one broadcaster said we average 10 shots/ possessions less per game than our opponents. TO’s and  poor board work on D  are the reasons. If we can clean up those areas I like our chances against any team we’ll face in DC. 

[gabriel]

I need the footage of Schertz talking about Gibby, the ESPN stream had technical difficulties when he was just starting. Loved his words about Kobe and Swope. 

[VeniceMenace]

2 hours ago, cheeseman said:

You are correct - TOs have nothing to do with athleticism but it can have something to do with rebounding.  Yes, players can be taught how to rebound without having to jump out of the building but then you have to be willing to lower your offensive output.  Neither is a bad thing.  The big problem with TOs is they can create a 4 point swing situation - you don't get the chance to score 2 but you also give them a chance to score off of it.  Last night the TO differential gave the Dukies something like 10 more possessions and they were shooting decently from the field so that was a big issue.  TOs drive me crazy - if you don't understand the importance of protecting the ball then you will always find yourself behind.  That jump ball at the end that gave Swope the chance to hit that three was a potential 5 point swing for our favor.  Being down 6 at the time made that play huge for us.  No jump ball they run time off the clock and maybe increase their lead by 8 which would have been game over.  Instead, we cut the lead to 3.  I think Coach hates TOs as much given his comment about Robbie during the senior activities when his  tongue in cheek comment about seeing Robbie setting the Arena record for TOs.  Robbie is like that old saying - Women can't live with them or without them.

 

 

Spot on and it's not just turnovers per se, it's the differential where SLU has had issues all season.

[HoosierPal]

Class act by Jimerson during his speech, thanking Coach Ford for bringing him to St. Louis.  Without that connection, Jimerson isn't a Billiken.

[122slu]

3 hours ago, billiken_roy said:

there is no team in this conference unbeatable.   and we can win easily if the keep the turnovers down, rebound and make threes.  thus far the billikens have shown these three aspects to be the exception not the norm.   imo, turnovers and rebounds have nothing to do with skill and athleticism, that is all on focus and effort.  so it frustrates me to no end when we lose games because of turnovers and rebounds.  

You’re forgetting they have to defend the three and avoid their own scoring droughts.

[HoosierPal]

3 hours ago, billiken_roy said:

there is no team in this conference unbeatable.   and we can win easily if the keep the turnovers down, rebound and make threes.  thus far the billikens have shown these three aspects to be the exception not the norm.   imo, turnovers and rebounds have nothing to do with skill and athleticism, that is all on focus and effort.  so it frustrates me to no end when we lose games because of turnovers and rebounds.  

Coach obviously read your post. About an hour ago on Sports on a Sunday Morning he said the team can win the A10 tourney if they...

Eliminate losing by taking care of the basketball, sprinting inside your defense, protect the rim without fouling, take great shots, don't allow second chance rebounds...all are controllable.