GDT: SLU v. St. Bonaventure

[willie]

53 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

warlick needs a haircut.  

Come on. Reminds me of the early Beatles. 

[almaman]

21 hours ago, billikenbill said:

Not sure how many of you old-timers remember an ABA All-Pro named Wendell Ladner, but Warlick reminds me a lot of him. Similar size and frame and gives great effort. I saw Ladner play a number of times on his various stops through the ABA and while it was said that he wasn’t the brightest bulb in the lamp, he played all out at all times. If there was a stat for the player with offensive rebounds on his own missed threes then Ladner would be the all-time leader. He would chuck up a three he had no business taking then chase after it and run it down. 
 

Not the most talented guy but supremely confident and never backed down from anyone. 

don't remember him. did he play against Spirits anytime?

 

[BrettJollyComedyHour]

54 minutes ago, willie said:

Come on. Reminds me of the early Beatles. 

Roy is turning into his father

[almaman]

https://weeklyview.net/2023/01/19/wendell-ladner-the-abas-brawling-burt-reynolds-part-1/

here's pt 1. good find B....bill

[billiken_roy]

1 hour ago, willie said:

Come on. Reminds me of the early Beatles. 

john lennon couldnt shoot with a damn.   and harrison might have been the worst defender in the history of basketball.

[willie]

2 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

john lennon couldnt shoot with a damn.   and harrison might have been the worst defender in the history of basketball.

But Ringo had a good post up game. 

[VeniceMenace]

2 hours ago, Lord Elrond said:

Do you really think what Chris May eats for breakfast affects the athletes?  

He's in charge of the entire athletic program! Wonderful Wal-Mart greeter to the people sitting courtside, but what about the nutrition and fitness of the players? Their future health is at stake, and all this is happening ON HIS WATCH!!!

[almaman]

13 minutes ago, willie said:

But Ringo had a good post up game. 

good around the rim

[willie]

11 minutes ago, VeniceMenace said:

He's in charge of the entire athletic program! Wonderful Wal-Mart greeter to the people sitting courtside, but what about the nutrition and fitness of the players? Their future health is at stake, and all this is happening ON HIS WATCH!!!

Nutrition was one of the selling points of the Champion Center. Be critical of May if you want but this one won't fly. 

[VeniceMenace]

2 minutes ago, willie said:

Nutrition was one of the selling points of the Champion Center. Be critical of May if you want but this one won't fly. 

A Mike Wallace-style ambush interrogation in his office may not happen but it would make for great TV!

[billikenfan05]

8 minutes ago, willie said:

Nutrition was one of the selling points of the Champion Center. Be critical of May if you want but this one won't fly. 

That doesn't mean the people running the nutrition center know what the hell they are doing. Just like others May has hired didn't know what the hell they were doing aka the compliance director who was asked to resign after not filing Ezewiro's paperwork on time among other errors.

Don't forget that May sold the entire athletics department on being able to access the nutrition center, only to re-neg on that promise.

[billikenbill]

2 hours ago, almaman said:

don't remember him. did he play against Spirits anytime?

 

“… Wendell Ladner, a player for the New York Nets, threw a shoe at Freddie Lewis, a player for the Spirits of St. Louis, during a basketball game. The Spirits won the game.”

[Crewsorlose]

18 hours ago, 3star_recruit said:

I think I understand where you're coming from but Goodwin was a top 60 recruit and one of the greatest rebounding guards in NCAA history .

The most obvious Warlick comp is Luke Meyer.  Practically the same size, great high school player, hard-nosed competitor but doesn't do anything particularly well.  Those players usually become glue guys at this level.

Goodwin obviously a different caliber of player but what were Goodwin's skils or his "carrying tool" as a frosh? He couldn't shoot, like, at all. He wasn't really a PG. He wasn't an interior player. He was just a baller. Warlick was signed by Wyoming. That's been a good program. And like Goodwin, he has a physicality to him. He was so far behind the other frosh just one month ago and now he's the one playing the most. For the record, I like all of the frosh and hope they stay but he's the one I'm watching. 

[almaman]

35 minutes ago, billikenbill said:

“… Wendell Ladner, a player for the New York Nets, threw a shoe at Freddie Lewis, a player for the Spirits of St. Louis, during a basketball game. The Spirits won the game.”

I must of seen him just getting old  tragic story now know y haven't heard of since

[3star_recruit]

49 minutes ago, Crewsorlose said:

Goodwin obviously a different caliber of player but what were Goodwin's skils or his "carrying tool" as a frosh? He couldn't shoot, like, at all. He wasn't really a PG. He wasn't an interior player. He was just a baller. Warlick was signed by Wyoming. That's been a good program. And like Goodwin, he has a physicality to him. He was so far behind the other frosh just one month ago and now he's the one playing the most. For the record, I like all of the frosh and hope they stay but he's the one I'm watching. 

Goodwin was a great post-up guard and an elite rebounding guard.  He had a knack for stealing the ball.  The same things that he excelled at in high school, were the same things he excelled at in the A10 and the same things he excelled at in the NBA. 

There was never a time where Goodwin didn't excel at those things. He could never be behind another frosh on a mid-major team because he was always that guy.

If you're saying that Warlick is the lesser version of that guy, we're on the same page.  I think comparing Warlick to Luke Meyer, a jack-of-all trades small forward with P5 offer from Nebraska, is a compliment.
 

[MusicCityBilliken]

1 hour ago, Crewsorlose said:

Goodwin obviously a different caliber of player but what were Goodwin's skils or his "carrying tool" as a frosh? He couldn't shoot, like, at all. He wasn't really a PG. He wasn't an interior player. He was just a baller. Warlick was signed by Wyoming. That's been a good program. And like Goodwin, he has a physicality to him. He was so far behind the other frosh just one month ago and now he's the one playing the most. For the record, I like all of the frosh and hope they stay but he's the one I'm watching. 

I don't recall Goodwin's freshman year being all that bad. In fact I thought it was pretty good for freshman.  Recall it was cut short because of Situation 2. Here is a little example of what he did: https://www.foxsports.com/stories/other/goodwins-first-triple-double-lifts-slu-over-duquesne-76-63

[Old guy]

Goodwin had, the way I remember it, surprising runs of good plays combined with poor play and poor passes in his freshman year, but he HAD to play the team was short of good players due to situation. He was much improved by the end of the season.

[TheA_Bomb]

3 hours ago, billikenfan05 said:

That doesn't mean the people running the nutrition center know what the hell they are doing. Just like others May has hired didn't know what the hell they were doing aka the compliance director who was asked to resign after not filing Ezewiro's paperwork on time among other errors.

Don't forget that May sold the entire athletics department on being able to access the nutrition center, only to re-neg on that promise.

 

[Minerva N. Owl]

2 hours ago, MusicCityBilliken said:

I don't recall Goodwin's freshman year being all that bad. In fact I thought it was pretty good for freshman.  Recall it was cut short because of Situation 2. Here is a little example of what he did: https://www.foxsports.com/stories/other/goodwins-first-triple-double-lifts-slu-over-duquesne-76-63

In response to the comparison (Warlick & Goodwin) and the claim that Goodwin had a slow start but "was much improved by the end of the season", that's not quite accurate. Goodwin started the first game and every game. During the first game of Goodwin's freshmen year (SLU 63 Seattle 42) Goodwin scored 6 points, all free throws. He was 0-12 from the field, but he went to the line for ten FT, of which he made 6. By the third game of that season, he was a force: at Virginia Tech (SLU 77 Hokies 71) Goodwin scored 19 points. 

Warlick may have some traits similar to Goodwin, but it's definitely not accurate to say Goodwin came to SLU as an unskilled football player. In high school, he brought Althoff to the State championship game as a sophomore and they won it his junior year. Goodwin's senior year, he had shoulder problems, so he was shut down for his senior year of high school basketball.

Warlick also was a high school star and state champion his sophomore and junior seasons, so there may be similarities, perhaps in tenacity and being a winner. But Goodwin was much more highly rated out of high school, and Goodwin showed much more ability much earlier, scoring 19 for the Billikens in his third game as a Billiken ... a victory over the Hokies on the road in November of his freshman year ... and then the triple double in January of his freshman year, as MusicCity noted. We haven't seen that yet from Warlick, but we can hope, as Warlick definitely has risen to the occasion when called upon in a small sample size.

 

[Crewsorlose]

3 hours ago, 3star_recruit said:

Goodwin was a great post-up guard and an elite rebounding guard.  He had a knack for stealing the ball.  The same things that he excelled at in high school, were the same things he excelled at in the A10 and the same things he excelled at in the NBA. 

There was never a time where Goodwin didn't excel at those things. He could never be behind another frosh on a mid-major team because he was always that guy.

If you're saying that Warlick is the lesser version of that guy, we're on the same page.  I think comparing Warlick to Luke Meyer, a jack-of-all trades small forward with P5 offer from Nebraska, is a compliment.
 

I trust your judgment that's a better comp. I'd just never heard of him. Goodwin's best skill was a nose for the ball. Like better than 99% of people in the NBA. Absolutely fantastic hands. 

[Crewsorlose]

49 minutes ago, Minerva N. Owl said:

In response to the comparison (Warlick & Goodwin) and the claim that Goodwin had a slow start but "was much improved by the end of the season", that's not quite accurate. Goodwin started the first game and every game. During the first game of Goodwin's freshmen year (SLU 63 Seattle 42) Goodwin scored 6 points, all free throws. He was 0-12 from the field, but he went to the line for ten FT, of which he made 6. By the third game of that season, he was a force: at Virginia Tech (SLU 77 Hokies 71) Goodwin scored 19 points. 

Warlick may have some traits similar to Goodwin, but it's definitely not accurate to say Goodwin came to SLU as an unskilled football player. In high school, he brought Althoff to the State championship game as a sophomore and they won it his junior year. Goodwin's senior year, he had shoulder problems, so he was shut down for his senior year of high school basketball.

Warlick also was a high school star and state champion his sophomore and junior seasons, so there may be similarities, perhaps in tenacity and being a winner. But Goodwin was much more highly rated out of high school, and Goodwin showed much more ability much earlier, scoring 19 for the Billikens in his third game as a Billiken ... a victory over the Hokies on the road in November of his freshman year ... and then the triple double in January of his freshman year, as MusicCity noted. We haven't seen that yet from Warlick, but we can hope, as Warlick definitely has risen to the occasion when called upon in a small sample size.

 

Goodwin was a consensus top 100 recruit. Borderline top 50. But there are basketball players who don't excel at the things people associate with basketball (being tall, jumping out of the gym, shooting, ball-handling) but still manage to be elite basketball players. Pikkar excels at being tall and shooting (we're told). McCottry has an ideal build to be a big guard. Goodwin was obviously a super elite athlete, but not a basketball athlete (tall, springs). Like I said from the beginning, a straight baller who could make winning plays from the outset. Warlick is nowhere near as good as Goodwin, but is good in the same way that Goodwin was good. 

[WVBilliken]

1 hour ago, Crewsorlose said:

Goodwin was a consensus top 100 recruit. Borderline top 50. But there are basketball players who don't excel at the things people associate with basketball (being tall, jumping out of the gym, shooting, ball-handling) but still manage to be elite basketball players. Pikkar excels at being tall and shooting (we're told). McCottry has an ideal build to be a big guard. Goodwin was obviously a super elite athlete, but not a basketball athlete (tall, springs). Like I said from the beginning, a straight baller who could make winning plays from the outset. Warlick is nowhere near as good as Goodwin, but is good in the same way that Goodwin was good. 

There is no way any comparisons can be made.  Warlick has played 62 minutes, half of them in meaningless game situations.  I hope the kid is a player, but thinking it is way too soon to reach any conclusions.

There are plenty of Billikens that shined or didn't in their first 62 minutes.  Some who didn't shine became great players.  Some who did shine in those first 62 minutes tanked.  It's way to soon to conclude anything about Warlick or for that matter McCottry who some on this board got way excited over early this season.  Hoping both are starters next year ..... time will tell if they boom or bust.  Reality check.

[HoosierPal]

Nice recap by the MBB  

 

[HoosierPal]

On 1/9/2025 at 10:03 AM, dlarry said:

Anybody have Rammers call of this?

See above recap post. Rammer’s call is in there at about 1:50. 

[VeniceMenace]

14 hours ago, HoosierPal said:

See above recap post. Rammer’s call is in there at about 1:50. 

Rammer always great on the call…believe next year is his 40th year calling SLU basketball? “This is Bob Ramsey for Royal Banks…”