Exhibition GDT: vs Rockhurst

[RiseOfTheBillikens]

2 hours ago, DirtyRican said:

The 10 year old who shot at the 4 min mark went 2 for 10, maybe it was that rim? 

It is too bad because if he could've hit one more Joe Davolo would've one free internet.  Bum.

I thought he had it. He lost the legs towards the end. The stroke was great though. 

[billikenfan05]

3 hours ago, DirtyRican said:

The 10 year old who shot at the 4 min mark went 2 for 10, maybe it was that rim? 

It is too bad because if he could've hit one more Joe Davolo would've one free internet.  Bum.

 

[Gremio14]

On 10/21/2024 at 6:10 PM, RiseOfTheBillikens said:

I thought he had it. He lost the legs towards the end. The stroke was great though. 

How about the kid who dunked on the layup-free throw-three point event?  Told my date he would win for certain.  I was wrong…

[Bills By 40]

On 10/18/2024 at 11:07 PM, okay said:

Any ideas of a potential starting 5 after this game? Assuming Robbie and Josiah are also healthy

I put my money on Swope, Jimerson, Thames, Anya, Avila with Dotzler, Johnson, Casey, and McCottry off the bench in that order until A10 play when McCottry will eclipse Johnson and Brockhoff will eclipse Casey.  

[willie]

29 minutes ago, Bills By 40 said:

I put my money on Swope, Jimerson, Thames, Anya, Avila with Dotzler, Johnson, Casey, and McCottry off the bench in that order until A10 play when McCottry will eclipse Johnson and Brockhoff will eclipse Casey.  

No play for Larry? 

[RiseOfTheBillikens]

2 hours ago, Gremio14 said:

How about the kid who dunked on the layup-free throw-three point event?  Told my date he would win for certain.  I was wrong…

As someone who has successfully done that event at a past SLU game... You gotta just make the layup. Dude was too focused on the dunk. That one missed dunk caused him to not get that last 3 off in time, that he of course proceeded to make. 

[Bills By 40]

On 10/23/2024 at 12:24 PM, willie said:

No play for Larry? 

I was just having this argument Friday at the game - with the above mentioned 9 and Brockhoff getting spare minutes at 10 I think Larry is the 11th man in the rotation. I've always thought his defense was exaggerated and that leaves him with nothing but a 3pt shot and that's just not enough to demand minutes over other guys like Swope, Jimerson, Johnson, Thames, Dotzler, and Johnson who are much more versatile. 

Being our 4th or 5th best 3pt shooter might get him minutes when we need someone to get hot but other than that I don't see his role. 

[3star_recruit]

10 minutes ago, Bills By 40 said:

I was just having this argument Friday at the game - with the above mentioned 9 and Brockhoff getting spare minutes at 10 I think Larry is the 11th man in the rotation. I've always thought his defense was exaggerated and that leaves him with nothing but a 3pt shot and that's just not enough to demand minutes over other guys like Swope, Jimerson, Johnson, Thames, Dotzler, and Johnson who are much more versatile. 

Being our 4th or 5th best 3pt shooter might get him minutes when we need someone to get hot but other than that I don't see his role. 

I don't think his defense is exaggerated.  I'd say he is an above average defender.  Unfortunately last year was the worst defensive Billiken team I've ever seen so having at least 3 guys who were below average defenders more than cancelled that out.

[billiken_roy]

25 minutes ago, Bills By 40 said:

I was just having this argument Friday at the game - with the above mentioned 9 and Brockhoff getting spare minutes at 10 I think Larry is the 11th man in the rotation. I've always thought his defense was exaggerated and that leaves him with nothing but a 3pt shot and that's just not enough to demand minutes over other guys like Swope, Jimerson, Johnson, Thames, Dotzler, and Johnson who are much more versatile. 

Being our 4th or 5th best 3pt shooter might get him minutes when we need someone to get hot but other than that I don't see his role. 

i disagree on Young Hughes defense.   i agree with 3 star that the whole defense last year was a trainwreck and too often players would be out of position and then when a player would try to help, that would lead an opponent open, and the domino effect would doom the possession.   larry was actually probably the best at attempting to help on defense.  and as to his shooting, it is pretty obvious to me that schertz probably prioritizes 3 point shooting more than any attribute.   yes he is behind jimerson, swope and probably Avila in that category.   but beyond that, i see him as our 4th 3 point option on the team.  i will be shocked if he is truly the 11th man.   

i am perplexed over the Dotzler love affair.   while i hope he turns out to be as good as many on this board are apparently seeing, there is a reason creighton had him at the end of the bench.   i know he appeared to be selfish and totally ineffective in the first scrimmage.   i do agree he was better in the second scrimmage.   he appears to have the body to play a big role.   but i say the jury is still out on him.  i hope i am totally wrong.     

i also am not a complete thames fan.   no doubt imo he is the best athlete on the team.   but he commits terrible fouls, he has defensive lapses and he is prone to taking bad shots he might be the worst free throw shooter on the team.   he reminds me of hargrove his early billiken years.   no doubt he has more tools to become a top player than probably anyone on the roster.   but i would prefer to see results before gifting him the floor time because he had an espn top ten dunk.  

[gobillsgo]

12 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

i disagree on Young Hughes defense.   i agree with 3 star that the whole defense last year was a trainwreck and too often players would be out of position and then when a player would try to help, that would lead an opponent open, and the domino effect would doom the possession.   larry was actually probably the best at attempting to help on defense.  and as to his shooting, it is pretty obvious to me that schertz probably prioritizes 3 point shooting more than any attribute.   yes he is behind jimerson, swope and probably Avila in that category.   but beyond that, i see him as our 4th 3 point option on the team.  i will be shocked if he is truly the 11th man.   

i am perplexed over the Dotzler love affair.   while i hope he turns out to be as good as many on this board are apparently seeing, there is a reason creighton had him at the end of the bench.   i know he appeared to be selfish and totally ineffective in the first scrimmage.   i do agree he was better in the second scrimmage.   he appears to have the body to play a big role.   but i say the jury is still out on him.  i hope i am totally wrong.     

i also am not a complete thames fan.   no doubt imo he is the best athlete on the team.   but he commits terrible fouls, he has defensive lapses and he is prone to taking bad shots he might be the worst free throw shooter on the team.   he reminds me of hargrove his early billiken years.   no doubt he has more tools to become a top player than probably anyone on the roster.   but i would prefer to see results before gifting him the floor time because he had an espn top ten dunk.  

Because he was a true freshman on one of the best teams in the nation?  I don’t think him not getting minutes on last year’s Creighton team precludes him from getting minutes on this year’s Billikens. 
 

I know a reason I’m intrigued by him is lack of ball handlers apart from Swope.  I know everyone will bring the ball up to a certain extent in Schertz’s system, but sometimes you just need to be able to give it to a guy and have him get it up the court under heavy duress. We saw Kobe Johnson bringing it up a lot the first couple games, but I’m not sure that will be as effective against non-D2 opposition.  And if the last two years were any indication, I’m not sure Larry is that guy either.  Hard to judge guys individually in the mess that was Ford’s offense the last couple years, and I do like Larry, but I think Dotzler offers something we don’t really have otherwise as a ball handler. 

[TheA_Bomb]

@gobillsgo brings up a good point, who breaks the press?  Need guys that can handle the ball under pressure.  Perhaps that's less important on this team as everyone should be above average passer and that's the best way to break a press. 

Season is long and injuries can happen. We also have a lot of diabetes inducing cup cakes on the schedule. Hopefully, we get everyone in the game because we're up big in the end of a lot of games. That'll pay off with greater depth and development.

[HoosierPal]

I hope Dotzler is our next All A-10 Player, and what the heck, an Honorable Mention All American.

Josiah Dotzler has played 77 minutes of college basketball.  Most of these minutes were in mop up time.  I didn't follow Creighton, but I saw his 4 seconds in the NCAA loss to Tennessee.  They were an impressive 4 seconds.  He maxed out in the BlueJays first game with 15 minutes and 6 points with 0 assists, in a 51 point blowout of Florida A&M. So far the Billiken fanbase has seen him in two open sessions.  He didn't play in either exhibition.  How do you draw any conclusion?

I'm putting my opinion of Dotzler on hold for at least the first 6 games (Avila game doesn't count).  I'm hoping for a near double digit scorer.  His 3 career assists and 7 career turnovers in 77 minutes really don't count.

For those of us who watched the Sycamores last season, the few times they were pressed aggressively full court, they simply passed the ball forward.  When you have a 6'10" target that can catch, pass and dribble, you don't need Yuri to try and dribble through a press. 

The Sycamores spread the assists around last season.  Six players averaged over 2 per game.  We had three averaging over 2 per game.  Yuri's single season assist record is safe.

 

[billiken_roy]

39 minutes ago, gobillsgo said:

Because he was a true freshman on one of the best teams in the nation?  I don’t think him not getting minutes on last year’s Creighton team precludes him from getting minutes on this year’s Billikens. 
 

I know a reason I’m intrigued by him is lack of ball handlers apart from Swope.  I know everyone will bring the ball up to a certain extent in Schertz’s system, but sometimes you just need to be able to give it to a guy and have him get it up the court under heavy duress. We saw Kobe Johnson bringing it up a lot the first couple games, but I’m not sure that will be as effective against non-D2 opposition.  And if the last two years were any indication, I’m not sure Larry is that guy either.  Hard to judge guys individually in the mess that was Ford’s offense the last couple years, and I do like Larry, but I think Dotzler offers something we don’t really have otherwise as a ball handler. 

wasnt johnson west virginia (huggins) primary point guard for 3 years?   and i am not sure dotzler is any better than younger hughes.  he definitely doesnt have the experience.  

[billiken_roy]

22 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said:

@gobillsgo brings up a good point, who breaks the press?  Need guys that can handle the ball under pressure.  Perhaps that's less important on this team as everyone should be above average passer and that's the best way to break a press. 

Season is long and injuries can happen. We also have a lot of diabetes inducing cup cakes on the schedule. Hopefully, we get everyone in the game because we're up big in the end of a lot of games. That'll pay off with greater depth and development.

the best way to break a press isnt having someone dribble through it.   we dont have curly neal on our roster. 

 

[billiken_roy]

4 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

 

For those of us who watched the Sycamores last season, the few times they were pressed aggressively full court, they simply passed the ball forward.  When you have a 6'10" target that can catch, pass and dribble, you don't need Yuri to try and dribble through a press.  The Sycamores spread the assists around last season.  Six players averaged over 2 per game.  We had three averaging over 2 per game.

 

textbook.   thanks for pointing this out.  

[HoosierPal]

16 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

wasnt johnson west virginia (huggins) primary point guard for 3 years?

Kerr Kriisa was the primary PG for the Volunteers last season, his only season at WVA.  He was suspended for the first 9 games for receiving $$ from Arizona at his previous stop.  (Can you imagine, Arizona giving out illegal benefits?  He is now at Kentucky for his third and final uniform.)  I believe in those 9 games Johnson handled the rock.

[TheA_Bomb]

2 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

the best way to break a press isnt having someone dribble through it.   we dont have curly neal on our roster. 

 

Yeah that's why I wrote the following sentence:

Perhaps that's less important on this team as everyone should be above average passer and that's the best way to break a press. 

"I often quote myself, it adds spice to my conversation."- George Bernard Shaw

Teams need skills on the floor, ball handling, passing, shooting, rebounding, and defense. I think this system minimizes the importance of ball handling but we have only a couple with the skill. So therefore, I think we'll see Dotzler in the rotation.

[Bills By 40]

13 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

wasnt johnson west virginia (huggins) primary point guard for 3 years?   and i am not sure dotzler is any better than younger hughes.  he definitely doesnt have the experience.  

Dotzler was the Nebraska Gatorade Player of the Year as a Senior after winning the state title as the starting PG and got a scholarship to play for one of the best teams in the nation. Larry was a walk-on on a bad SLU team because his dad happens to be maybe the best player we've ever had. Don't pretend they're two in the same. 

Thames is the most versatile player on the roster not named Robbie Avila, and he is a prototype replacement for Jayson Kent - arguably with a higher ceiling. 

I was not a big Kobe fan until this weekend's scrimmage - dude can shoot better than I thought. The thing is he can also do all the other things Larry can't, is much more experienced in doing so, and does it with a significantly larger frame. 

Then there's Amari McCottry. 2" and 20lbs larger than Larry, has a 7' wingspan, and is a three way scorer with better ball handling. I don't think he's ready today but I'll be surprised if he isn't ready by conference play. 

 

 

If this team is half as good as it should be it doesn't include Larry getting minutes unless Larry gets exponentially better real quickly. 

[TheA_Bomb]

3 hours ago, Bills By 40 said:

If this team is half as good as it should be it doesn't include Larry getting minutes unless Larry gets exponentially better real quickly. 

I hope he does get better and balls out at SLU. It's a good story. 

I wouldn't put money on it, but I'm just an MBM that's only gone balls out at Penny Pitchers. So what do I know?

[wgstl]

3 hours ago, Bills By 40 said:

Dotzler was the Nebraska Gatorade Player of the Year as a Senior after winning the state title as the starting PG and got a scholarship to play for one of the best teams in the nation. Larry was a walk-on on a bad SLU team because his dad happens to be maybe the best player we've ever had. Don't pretend they're two in the same. 

Thames is the most versatile player on the roster not named Robbie Avila, and he is a prototype replacement for Jayson Kent - arguably with a higher ceiling. 

I was not a big Kobe fan until this weekend's scrimmage - dude can shoot better than I thought. The thing is he can also do all the other things Larry can't, is much more experienced in doing so, and does it with a significantly larger frame. 

Then there's Amari McCottry. 2" and 20lbs larger than Larry, has a 7' wingspan, and is a three way scorer with better ball handling. I don't think he's ready today but I'll be surprised if he isn't ready by conference play. 

 

 

If this team is half as good as it should be it doesn't include Larry getting minutes unless Larry gets exponentially better real quickly. 

McCottry reminds be of a guard that would be on SDSU or Houston. Large. 

[Taj79]

I’m in the camp of the unimpressed to date  by young Hughes.  While he did make a few threes, they never seem to come with the game on the line.  Not game winners mind you, just as a part of the rotation and game flow when they were needed.  More times than not they seemed to cut the deficit to 15 or so.

I will say his help defense showed promised in just understanding what to do but more times than not, his open man hurt us —— was this because the other guys didn’t understand help defense?  Maybe.  But the shiteshow that was Ford’s team made identifying the exact problem a problem.

The key to me is stated above —— Hughes was a walk-on on a talent weak team.  

[thetorch]

Creighton really hated losing Dotzler.  Having gone to a couple practices and talking with people around the program the majority opinion is Dotzler will be in the rotation and most likely starting sooner rather than later.  

Hughes ultimately is just a one dimensional player and not built for Schertz's system.  Him being on the outside of the rotation is a good sign, we'll have a very good team.  He's a spot up shooter, a decent defender, not a great ballhandler, and doesn't move well away from the ball at least as good as our other options.

[cgeldmacher]

13 hours ago, thetorch said:

Creighton really hated losing Dotzler.  Having gone to a couple practices and talking with people around the program the majority opinion is Dotzler will be in the rotation and most likely starting sooner rather than later.  

Hughes ultimately is just a one dimensional player and not built for Schertz's system.  Him being on the outside of the rotation is a good sign, we'll have a very good team.  He's a spot up shooter, a decent defender, not a great ballhandler, and doesn't move well away from the ball at least as good as our other options.

I would think that a spot up shooter and decent defender is exactly what fits Schertz's system.  That being said, he doesn't play to his strengths.  I believe that he thinks he has to play his dad's game, meaning driving into the lane to try to make a shot he's not capable of making, even though he is not his dad.  If he stuck to spot up shooting from the 3 point line and chose his shots better, I think he can have success in this system.  Right now, he seems to think he has to prove he can make shots and is choosing bad (hand in his face) shots to try to accomplish that.

[Taj79]

Don't you think that if Junior were that good, he'd have gotten at least one D1 offer in his time?

[TheA_Bomb]

29 minutes ago, Taj79 said:

Don't you think that if Junior were that good, he'd have gotten at least one D1 offer in his time?

I think he's a D1 player. He didn't get offers because he was locked into SLU.