someoneelse Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 https://www.wsj.com/sports/basketball/ivy-league-transfers-college-sports-624c0d38?mod=hp_listb_pos2 Kalu Anya, who averaged nearly 10 points and seven rebounds a game last season, gave up Brown to play for Saint Louis instead. Billikens get a mention in the financial paper of record. They got 'Saint Louis' right as well! Unless NIL money is life/family changing, I'd stick at the Ivy league for the doors it opens, but I'm glad he's here. Probably a paywall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 If the Ivy’s ever tapped into their endowments to pay players NIL $’s they could be a P5 conference. Those schools are loaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WUH Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 52 minutes ago, slu72 said: If the Ivy’s ever tapped into their endowments to pay players NIL $’s they could be a P5 conference. Those schools are loaded. First, they would need to start with athletic scholarships which they have not offered in over 100 years or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Schools with smaller NIL will be the ones reaping the benefits until they change it. 1 minute ago, WUH said: First, they would need to start with athletic scholarships which they have not offered in over 100 years or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Another point about the IVYs: They really don't care much about sports. There are exceptions as any games between Harvard and Yale, or the rowing contests down the Charles river. Otherwise a team might win a major tournament and have almost no one waiting to greet the players at the airport when they come back. thatskablamo likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Ivy league schools should be D-3 not D-1. billiken_roy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy II Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 21 hours ago, someoneelse said: https://www.wsj.com/sports/basketball/ivy-league-transfers-college-sports-624c0d38?mod=hp_listb_pos2 Kalu Anya, who averaged nearly 10 points and seven rebounds a game last season, gave up Brown to play for Saint Louis instead. Billikens get a mention in the financial paper of record. They got 'Saint Louis' right as well! Unless NIL money is life/family changing, I'd stick at the Ivy league for the doors it opens, but I'm glad he's here. Probably a paywall. -yesterday the Business Journal had it right, too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 The Ivy League probably should take a long look at what the University Athletic Association did and join them in Div 3. The UAA is the D3 conference that Wash U is in, all academic powerhouses, they figured out awhile ago that the way to go was to de-emphasize athletics. If the NCAA disintegrates, the Ivy League should get together with the UAA to form a group of colleges that is all about academics first and foremost. Right now, with being in D1, they are being thrown together with places that care more about athletics than academics, which is what is causing them problems. Joining with other colleges who care about academics first seems like a good fit. Old guy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Lot worse than the Ivy, 23-24 KenPom ranking: Ranking of conferences by AdjEM of team that's expected to go .500 in conference play Conference Rating Conference Rating 1 Big 12 Conference +16.66 18 Big South Conference -3.86 2 Big East Conference +15.84 19 Coastal Athletic Association -4.04 3 Big Ten Conference +14.87 20 Horizon League -4.38 4 Southeastern Conference +14.23 21 America East Conference -4.94 5 Atlantic Coast Conference +13.02 22 Big Sky Conference -5.75 6 Pac 12 Conference +11.26 23 Summit League -5.89 7 Mountain West Conference +10.13 24 Mid American Conference -6.52 8 Atlantic 10 Conference +5.10 25 Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference -6.73 9 American Athletic Conference +3.79 26 ASUN Conference -7.10 10 Missouri Valley Conference +3.31 27 Independents -10.15 11 West Coast Conference +0.68 28 Ohio Valley Conference -11.14 12 Southern Conference -0.47 29 Southland Conference -11.45 13 Ivy League -0.65 30 Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference -12.37 14 Western Athletic Conference -0.67 31 Patriot League -12.43 15 Conference USA -1.70 32 Southwestern Athletic Conference -13.06 16 Big West Conference -2.67 For 22-23 Ivy was 12th, A10 came in 13th Ranking of conferences by AdjEM of team that's expected to go .500 in conference play Conference Rating Conference Rating 1 Big 12 Conference +17.99 18 ASUN Conference -3.22 2 Big Ten Conference +14.88 19 Mid American Conference -3.71 3 Big East Conference +13.95 20 Southern Conference -3.73 4 Southeastern Conference +12.57 21 Horizon League -5.38 5 Pac 12 Conference +11.58 22 Big South Conference -5.63 6 Mountain West Conference +9.26 23 Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference -5.78 7 Atlantic Coast Conference +8.58 24 Summit League -6.56 8 American Athletic Conference +6.72 25 America East Conference -7.23 9 West Coast Conference +6.27 26 Colonial Athletic Association -7.58 10 Conference USA +3.60 27 Patriot League -8.20 11 Western Athletic Conference +2.09 28 Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference -9.72 12 Ivy League +1.02 29 Ohio Valley Conference -10.36 13 Atlantic 10 Conference +0.70 30 Southland Conference -11.85 14 Sun Belt Conference +0.09 31 Southwestern Athletic Conference -12.50 15 Big West Conference -1.51 32 Northeast Conference -15.22 16 Missouri Valley Conference -1.86 33 Independents -19.79 17 Big Sky Conference -2.64 33 Northeast Conference Now, here is the kicker 22-23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WUH Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 On 8/15/2024 at 10:32 AM, Lord Elrond said: The Ivy League probably should take a long look at what the University Athletic Association did and join them in Div 3. The UAA is the D3 conference that Wash U is in, all academic powerhouses, they figured out awhile ago that the way to go was to de-emphasize athletics. If the NCAA disintegrates, the Ivy League should get together with the UAA to form a group of colleges that is all about academics first and foremost. Right now, with being in D1, they are being thrown together with places that care more about athletics than academics, which is what is causing them problems. Joining with other colleges who care about academics first seems like a good fit. Nearly every Ivy League school finished substantially higher than SLU in the Learfield Director's Cup. It took skiing, rowing and so on to do it, but if you are the Ivy League, a substantial percentage of your competitors are already like-minded, academics first and foremost institutions. https://nacda.com/documents/2024/6/10/23.24DI_SpringConferenceStandings_6.11.24.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 Believe me, going down one spot or more than one spot in the rankings of any sport has no significance in the IVY league. They look at athletes not as athletes but as students first and athletes second. They can get good players because there are good players out there that really want an IVY education. As long as they get new kids in the schools that are satisfactory to them in terms of academics, they will be perfectly satisfied with their sport teams. They really do not care if Duke or anyone else's teams are better in terms of sports performance than theirs. This way of thinking about sport teams and their recruitment was published in the Harvard magazine some time ago. The academics come first athletic prowess comes second. Other academic focused schools like Wash U use the simpler method of choosing Division 3 for their teams. As long as the school is satisfied with its focus on sports teams, they have no problems with sports teams rankings. Yenlar likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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