Pistol Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Building on my previous post, Schertz gains more steam as a candidate in early January as more people came to terms with the fact that Ford has to go and started taking harder looks at possible replacements. @thetorch was the first to put him on his list on January 5th and a few more come on board. Then 05 is already calling him "our guy Schertz" on January 23rd. Schertz starts showing up every time people make a master candidate list after that. By mid-late February, he's #1 on a lot of MBMs' lists. I think WPB started hyping him on Twitter as early as November. I know they're the ones that alerted us MMP bozos that we needed to look at what the Indiana State coach was doing and we became advocates after watching clips of his offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 57 minutes ago, Pistol said: Building on my previous post, Schertz gains more steam as a candidate in early January as more people came to terms with the fact that Ford has to go and started taking harder looks at possible replacements. @thetorch was the first to put him on his list on January 5th and a few more come on board. Then 05 is already calling him "our guy Schertz" on January 23rd. Schertz starts showing up every time people make a master candidate list after that. By mid-late February, he's #1 on a lot of MBMs' lists. I think WPB started hyping him on Twitter as early as November. I know they're the ones that alerted us MMP bozos that we needed to look at what the Indiana State coach was doing and we became advocates after watching clips of his offense. Thanks for the correction on the timeline. I should have said 9 months instead of 6 months. The greater overall point of my post was that it's never too early to think about how you're going to replace your coach when the need arises. Shout out to MMP for bringing Schertz to our attention. brianstl likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 2 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: Thanks for the correction on the timeline. I should have said 9 months instead of 6 months. The greater overall point of my post was that it's never too early to think about how you're going to replace your coach when the need arises. Shout out to MMP for bringing Schertz to our attention. Nah, shout out West Pine Bills. They deserve all credit. Pistol likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Yeah, as I said in my posts, it was WPB who led the charge on this one. And I would expect the AD to have contingency plans for everything. I just don't think Schertz himself was a backup plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 I’d guess all AD’s with a “hot coach” would also have a list of possible replacements in his top desk drawer. Coaches are like portal players today; have a good year and you’re a hot commodity. It’s all about the Benjamins and who can blame them. The Mark Fews and Randy Bennet’s of the world are oddities who value life style over bucks. I guess Dan Hurley might also be in that category but that remains to be seen. May was wise to put in Schertz’s buy out clause, but $4-$5mm is chump change for most P5 programs these days and not really a deterrent. Best we can hope for is Schertz and family really like the STL community, and the school can come up with enough $$’s to keep him in place. Still, if I was May, I’d have my backup list close by. And before everyone jumps up my arse for being a negative Nellie, I’d remind you this is SLU hoops we’re talking about and you should always be on the lookout for the unexpected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 25 minutes ago, slu72 said: I’d guess all AD’s with a “hot coach” would also have a list of possible replacements in his top desk drawer. Coaches are like portal players today; have a good year and you’re a hot commodity. It’s all about the Benjamins and who can blame them. The Mark Fews and Randy Bennet’s of the world are oddities who value life style over bucks. I guess Dan Hurley might also be in that category but that remains to be seen. May was wise to put in Schertz’s buy out clause, but $4-$5mm is chump change for most P5 programs these days and not really a deterrent. Best we can hope for is Schertz and family really like the STL community, and the school can come up with enough $$’s to keep him in place. Still, if I was May, I’d have my backup list close by. And before everyone jumps up my arse for being a negative Nellie, I’d remind you this is SLU hoops we’re talking about and you should always be on the lookout for the unexpected. WHO GIVES A FLYING FUOK IF SCHERTZ GETS US TO THE NCAA TOURNAMENT AND LEAVES?!?!?!?! SLU gets all that sweet money from the NCAA and a fat check from whatever school lures him away. What buyout clause? Where was this reported? Every contract has to be bought out for the full amount unless there is a smaller amount than the full value negotiated in said contract. MusicCityBilliken, Young Charles, Zink and 1 other like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabriel Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 We should have hired a worse coach so we’re not worried about him leaving. slufanskip, VeniceMenace, NextYearBill and 3 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 57 minutes ago, gabriel said: We should have hired a worse coach so we’re not worried about him leaving. I genuinely can't believe we're still having this conversation. Did we not learn anything from harping on Ford's contract, how many years he had left and how much money he was going to get to walk? Not to mention that people here spent at least one offseason worried if he would get hired away only to have to buy him out of a contract that could only be described as "cement shoes". Coaches are hired to be fired, replaced, hired away. That's how it works. If you're already worried about him getting hired away before he wins you anything, you are just repeating May's mistake. MusicCityBilliken and gabriel like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu92 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 NextYearBill, The Valley Sucks and Zink like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 The usual suspects would still wet themselves if the Big East invited SLU and they go on to multiple Final Fours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 1 hour ago, slu92 said: OK, so he did. Rounding his income for 2023 to $2.7 M and assuming he lives in MO and pays income taxes using "married filing jointly" rates he had to pay around $900,000 in Federal and State income taxes for 2023. This lowers his net after income taxes to somewhere around $1.8 M for 2023 which is not bad at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 17 minutes ago, Old guy said: OK, so he did. Rounding his income for 2023 to $2.7 M and assuming he lives in MO and pays income taxes using "married filing jointly" rates he had to pay around $900,000 in Federal and State income taxes for 2023. This lowers his net after income taxes to somewhere around $1.8 M for 2023 which is not bad at all. Yeah he can afford to add guac and bacon with that kinda money. Good stuff from the AD of the year on the contract and using his skills/connections on this year's basketball schedule. Some of y'all have a real loser's mentality and it shows. Old guy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 2 hours ago, billikenfan05 said: I genuinely can't believe we're still having this conversation. Did we not learn anything from harping on Ford's contract, how many years he had left and how much money he was going to get to walk? Not to mention that people here spent at least one offseason worried if he would get hired away only to have to buy him out of a contract that could only be described as "cement shoes". Coaches are hired to be fired, replaced, hired away. That's how it works. If you're already worried about him getting hired away before he wins you anything, you are just repeating May's mistake. Look, I agree at this point this is much ado about nothing. But when posters start with Elite Eight projections it leads to then what questions, or how do you keep him down on the farm once the bright lights of the P5 come calling. To think they won’t is denying the realties of present day college sports. If, big IF again, we make it to the tourney and then the second weekend, Coach Schertz’s star will rise like a hypersonic missile. He already was considered a top mid coach last year. And, I got the buyout from someone saying May slid that clause in there to discourage P5’s from pursuing him after we had a memo of understanding with him. As I said previously, I’d take a magical season along with the risk of losing him any day of the week. And I’d wish him the best if he left. But again, this is all just conjecture as of today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 12 minutes ago, slu72 said: Look, I agree at this point this is much ado about nothing. But when posters start with Elite Eight projections it leads to then what questions, or how do you keep him down on the farm once the bright lights of the P5 come calling. To think they won’t is denying the realties of present day college sports. If, big IF again, we make it to the tourney and then the second weekend, Coach Schertz’s star will rise like a hypersonic missile. He already was considered a top mid coach last year. And, I got the buyout from someone saying May slid that clause in there to discourage P5’s from pursuing him after we had a memo of understanding with him. As I said previously, I’d take a magical season along with the risk of losing him any day of the week. And I’d wish him the best if he left. But again, this is all just conjecture as of today. YOU DON'T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewsorlose Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 If Schertz leaves we can bring back Ford because he's still under contract, right? Dr. Holly Hills, dlarry and NextYearBill like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendelprof Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Can't we just enjoy the ride and cross that bridge when and if we get to it? billikenfan05, Adman, slu72 and 2 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 6 hours ago, billikenfan05 said: WHO GIVES A FLYING FUOK IF SCHERTZ GETS US TO THE NCAA TOURNAMENT AND LEAVES?!?!?!?! SLU gets all that sweet money from the NCAA and a fat check from whatever school lures him away. What buyout clause? Where was this reported? Every contract has to be bought out for the full amount unless there is a smaller amount than the full value negotiated in said contract. I think what some may be referring to regarding the so called "buyout clause" is it was reported that the school hiring Schertz would have to pay some large fee to SLU which not part of the paying off the contract issue you are referencing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 29 minutes ago, cheeseman said: I think what some may be referring to regarding the so called "buyout clause" is it was reported that the school hiring Schertz would have to pay some large fee to SLU which not part of the paying off the contract issue you are referencing. Where was this reported? There was a rumor of a memorandum of understanding prior to the end of the ISU season and officially signing a contract. Last I heard of any "buyout clause". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 What if he wants to return to ISU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 2 hours ago, Wendelprof said: Can't we just enjoy the ride and cross that bridge when and if we get to it? Mea Culpa for ever bringing it up. Best to leave hypotheticals to oneself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 My prediction. Schertz stays a minimum of 5 years. We go to the dance 5 times in that span. CenHudDude likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 50 minutes ago, thetorch said: My prediction. Schertz stays a minimum of 5 years. We go to the dance 5 times in that span. Me thinks if this were to happen, he’d be here longer than 5 years. I would think if he goes 2 for 2 or 3 for 3 he’s gone. Anything more than that he wants to see this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 If he goes 5 for 5 he’ll be a Few. The Bills will become the toast of the town with sellouts every game. SLU will give him a P5 level contract, and endorsements will be off the chart. Young Charles, Zink and CenHudDude like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Holly Hills Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 10 hours ago, slu92 said: I wanna know what the h3ll the additional $49k was for that season!!?! That’s about $1k per second half point SIUE scored on us! TheA_Bomb and almaman like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 18 minutes ago, Dr. Holly Hills said: I wanna know what the h3ll the additional $49k was for that season!!?! That’s about $1k per second half point SIUE scored on us! Car allowance- 401k match. - country club. Could be a lot of stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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