Aquinas Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 42 minutes ago, WVBilliken said: These last three spots are likely the most difficult to fill. IMO the 10 players on the roster look to eat up almost all of the playing time except for that impact/defensive guard Schertz wants. The wild card player and the big to backup Avila won't see much playing time. Somebody has to be 11, 12 and 13 on the bench. Players want to play so those last few spots to be filled will be interesting to see. Avila played 31 min a game last year, leaving 9/game. That will likely put a player in the top 10 in player minutes. The guard he is looking for may be in the top 5. The wild card could be a low minute player to develop or a player coming off of injury looking for a shot to come back, with a shot at starter minutes. billiken_roy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted May 11 Author Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, WVBilliken said: These last three spots are likely the most difficult to fill. IMO the 10 players on the roster look to eat up almost all of the playing time except for that impact/defensive guard Schertz wants. The wild card player and the big to backup Avila won't see much playing time. Somebody has to be 11, 12 and 13 on the bench. Players want to play so those last few spots to be filled will be interesting to see. There is definitely a starting spot available for a lead guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10120474-john-calipari-wont-fill-arkansas-roster-theyre-leaving-anyway-in-transfer-portal According to that article Calipari is considering only filing 8, 9 spots and if he gets a 10th guy. "That guy knows he's the 10 guy.". Plans to get recent Euro players as grad assistants to fill out practice squads. I think this is a mistake. While I understand that a player is likely to transfer, you need depth. Furthermore, a player could surprise and really turn into a contributor. Not filling the spot guarantees that you do not have that opportunity. While it's unlikely that a player emerges from no where it's not unheard of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUMedBilliken15 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 41 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10120474-john-calipari-wont-fill-arkansas-roster-theyre-leaving-anyway-in-transfer-portal According to that article Calipari is considering only filing 8, 9 spots and if he gets a 10th guy. "That guy knows he's the 10 guy.". Plans to get recent Euro players as grad assistants to fill out practice squads. I think this is a mistake. While I understand that a player is likely to transfer, you need depth. Furthermore, a player could surprise and really turn into a contributor. Not filling the spot guarantees that you do not have that opportunity. While it's unlikely that a player emerges from no where it's not unheard of. For NIL sake, you have more $$$ for the players who actually play. willie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Holly Hills Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 43 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10120474-john-calipari-wont-fill-arkansas-roster-theyre-leaving-anyway-in-transfer-portal According to that article Calipari is considering only filing 8, 9 spots and if he gets a 10th guy. "That guy knows he's the 10 guy.". Plans to get recent Euro players as grad assistants to fill out practice squads. I think this is a mistake. While I understand that a player is likely to transfer, you need depth. Furthermore, a player could surprise and really turn into a contributor. Not filling the spot guarantees that you do not have that opportunity. While it's unlikely that a player emerges from no where it's not unheard of. Bold strategy.. It can be a long season and guys get banged up. 8 spots would be extremely thin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Well we all saw how effective playing basically 8 players was for Ford. I'm sure all the big coaches noticed as well and are now using this bold strategy. Note: blue font Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, Dr. Holly Hills said: Bold strategy.. It can be a long season and guys get banged up. 8 spots would be extremely thin. Stupid strategy. It wouldn’t take many injuries to have a bench of 1 player or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 How much time should you invest in recruiting 11 12 and 13th players at a university where the walk-on is probably going to be a top 500 guy? I wouldn't invest much. The guys we're recruiting for that role simply walk on at an upper-tier P5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Short sighted on Cal’s part. Injuries, situations, foul trouble, etc are all likely factors. However, it is going to be difficult, even with some NIL $’s, to sell a player on limited minutes. And the NIL $’s aren’t going to be high enough to convince a player to be a pine rider. I’d be looking for FR, foreigners, and/or guys coming off injury who may need some extra rehab time. A full roster is required these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 38 minutes ago, slu72 said: Short sighted on Cal’s part. Injuries, situations, foul trouble, etc are all likely factors. However, it is going to be difficult, even with some NIL $’s, to sell a player on limited minutes. And the NIL $’s aren’t going to be high enough to convince a player to be a pine rider. I’d be looking for FR, foreigners, and/or guys coming off injury who may need some extra rehab time. A full roster is required these days. It's long been my opinion that calipari is a horrible coach. With the awesome talent he's brought in every program he's run, he's only won one national championship Bills By 40 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 I'm hoping that we already have our 11, 12 and 13th player on the roster. I'm hoping Schertz is working on players better than what we already have signed up. Over recruit. Bring in the best possible. ACE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, billiken_roy said: It's long been my opinion that calipari is a horrible coach. With the awesome talent he's brought in every program he's run, he's only won one national championship I disagree. I believe he is actually a good coach. Every year he essentially has a new team . While he hasn’t won it all in recent years his teams are good. The game is changing. Experience and age might be more important than athleticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 The way I see it, and remember that I am no basketball expert, these spots could be filled will very good graduating high school players that are having problems getting into decent programs. These kids would not have much experience, that is true, but they would come if they have a scarcity of choices. The advantage for these kids would be playing and getting trained by Schwertz. This may not be ideal but it could be a way to fill the team CenHudDude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Cal is right, mostly. You still have to have those spots filled. But filling them with guys who know they aren’t going to be in the rotation is key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 20 minutes ago, willie said: I disagree. I believe he is actually a good coach. Every year he essentially has a new team . While he hasn’t won it all in recent years his teams are good. The game is changing. Experience and age might be more important than athleticism. Each year his recruits are reputed to be the top players. A good coach imo would translate that in 20+ years into more than one championship. The guy is a great recruiter and has proven he can get the talent. He just doesn't turn that around on a regular basis to a result expected. He is the premium version of what Ford was until NiL came to be. Now a good recruiter apparently also has to have the premium checking account to capitalize and build something. Schmooze is no longer good enough. Ironically calipari always had the needed boosters at Memphis and Kentucky to have the cash to close the deal he just didn't have the actual development, practice and game coaching to go with it and never capitalized on the talent consistently as was expected by Kentucky folks. Let's see how he does with Tyson and Walmart money. I'm betting no better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 39 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: I'm hoping that we already have our 11, 12 and 13th player on the roster. I'm hoping Schertz is working on players better than what we already have signed up. Over recruit. Bring in the best possible. The problem is the best possible recruits will want guaranteed minutes, and we don’t have that many spare minutes left. If all we need is depth players, I’m not worried, there are still hundreds and hundreds of players with D1 game experience for depth. At some point in time, the players left will go for whatever they can get, even if it’s only a scholarship, or they can end their playing careers. Anyone who sits out a year because they didn’t get a good NIL deal this year will not be getting a NIL deal next year. No need for big NIL dollars if the goal is to fill out the roster with depth players. Now, if you can find someone who you think will play over whoever you’ve got committed already, go for it, but I doubt there are that many difference makers left. billiken_roy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 23 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: Each year his recruits are reputed to be the top players. A good coach imo would translate that in 20+ years into more than one championship. The guy is a great recruiter and has proven he can get the talent. He just doesn't turn that around on a regular basis to a result expected. He is the premium version of what Ford was until NiL came to be. Now a good recruiter apparently also has to have the premium checking account to capitalize and build something. Schmooze is no longer good enough. Ironically calipari always had the needed boosters at Memphis and Kentucky to have the cash to close the deal he just didn't have the actual development, practice and game coaching to go with it and never capitalized on the talent consistently as was expected by Kentucky folks. Let's see how he does with Tyson and Walmart money. I'm betting no better. The best version of Calipari we ever saw was as the coach of those early UMass teams that first broke into the top 25. He wasn't bringing in McDonald's All-Americans back then but those teams were a handful. billiken_roy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 53 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: Each year his recruits are reputed to be the top players. A good coach imo would translate that in 20+ years into more than one championship. The guy is a great recruiter and has proven he can get the talent. He just doesn't turn that around on a regular basis to a result expected. He is the premium version of what Ford was until NiL came to be. Now a good recruiter apparently also has to have the premium checking account to capitalize and build something. Schmooze is no longer good enough. Ironically calipari always had the needed boosters at Memphis and Kentucky to have the cash to close the deal he just didn't have the actual development, practice and game coaching to go with it and never capitalized on the talent consistently as was expected by Kentucky folks. Let's see how he does with Tyson and Walmart money. I'm betting no better. Is Cal the greatest coach ever? No, but he is still pretty damn good. He has won the fifth most NCAA tournament games ever, leads all active coaches in NCAA wins and is one of two coaches to take 3 different programs to the Final Four. I actually think the Arkansas job fits him better than Kentucky. Box and Won and JMM28 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, Lord Elrond said: The problem is the best possible recruits will want guaranteed minutes, and we don’t have that many spare minutes left. If all we need is depth players, I’m not worried, there are still hundreds and hundreds of players with D1 game experience for depth. At some point in time, the players left will go for whatever they can get, even if it’s only a scholarship, or they can end their playing careers. Anyone who sits out a year because they didn’t get a good NIL deal this year will not be getting a NIL deal next year. No need for big NIL dollars if the goal is to fill out the roster with depth players. Now, if you can find someone who you think will play over whoever you’ve got committed already, go for it, but I doubt there are that many difference makers left. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. All are right, until they are not. You have made some good points. But: Almost 50% of the portal entrnts still available. Over 900 are still floating out there in portal land. Lots to pick from. There will be some ball players drop out of the NBA draft pool and be available for pickup. Can we afford any? For my opinion, we have 3 sure bets right now; three starting rolls locked in; three minute eaters; Avila, Swope and Jimerson. If they are in rhythm, they will all play 30+ minutes. They are used to it. They did it last year. After that it's prove your worth in practice. For me, we have two starting spots still available. The 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 man rotation is far from set. That's lot of minutes available. I will admit I have not seen any of the new signees play, except for 4 sec of Dotzler in the NCAA loss, and the ISU duo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 No doubt Calimari has assembled some great talent. But it was coaches like Jay Wright that changed College hoops. He won with teams he developed that grew together. 22 year olds playing Mickey D HS all stars will win most of the time. Cal may have finally realized this. Even Coach K’s championship teams were mostly made up of veteran players. Experience and hardened D1 players will usually beat a team of future NBA one and doners. billiken_roy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVBilliken Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, HoosierPal said: Everyone is entitled to an opinion. All are right, until they are not. You have made some good points. But: Almost 50% of the portal entrnts still available. Over 900 are still floating out there in portal land. Lots to pick from. There will be some ball players drop out of the NBA draft pool and be available for pickup. Can we afford any? For my opinion, we have 3 sure bets right now; three starting rolls locked in; three minute eaters; Avila, Swope and Jimerson. If they are in rhythm, they will all play 30+ minutes. They are used to it. They did it last year. After that it's prove your worth in practice. For me, we have two starting spots still available. The 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 man rotation is far from set. That's lot of minutes available. I will admit I have not seen any of the new signees play, except for 4 sec of Dotzler in the NCAA loss, and the ISU duo. Disagree. Anya and/or Casey have the minutes locked for the 4 spot. Anya is a stud and Casey has big potential to break out. Then for the 1, the PG, surely Hughes & Dotzler are sure bet rotation players fighting for big minutes at the PG spot. So IMO that impact/defensive guard is the only guy targeted that might get major minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 36 minutes ago, WVBilliken said: Disagree. Anya and/or Casey have the minutes locked for the 4 spot. Anya is a stud and Casey has big potential to break out. Then for the 1, the PG, surely Hughes & Dotzler are sure bet rotation players fighting for big minutes at the PG spot. So IMO that impact/defensive guard is the only guy targeted that might get major minutes. You are entitled to disagree. If you are satisfied with the roster, with the noted exception of a defensive guard, then great. How many games did you watch where Casey and Anya played? I didn't watch Miami or Brown myself, so all I have to go on is stats. I don't do highlight videos, because they are severely edited. So if you saw them play numerous games, you are up on me but I don't see "locked in minutes" based on their stats. Rotation, let's hope so. Let them earn their minutes in practice. If you saw Dotzler play, then you are a huge Creighton fan because he only played 77 minutes. As I said, I saw 4 seconds when McDermott cleared the bench v TN. I don't believe he did much in those 4 seconds. My original point was, and still is, I want Schertz to bring in players better than what we have. Hopefully players 11-13 are already on the roster and any additions will be better than them. This discussion is drifting away from my original statement. And by the way, Schertz has stated numerous times, he plays positionless basketball. He won't have a "4 spot". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVBilliken Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, HoosierPal said: You are entitled to disagree. If you are satisfied with the roster, with the noted exception of a defensive guard, then great. How many games did you watch where Casey and Anya played? I didn't watch Miami or Brown myself, so all I have to go on is stats. I don't do highlight videos, because they are severely edited. So if you saw them play numerous games, you are up on me but I don't see "locked in minutes" based on their stats. Rotation, let's hope so. Let them earn their minutes in practice. If you saw Dotzler play, then you are a huge Creighton fan because he only played 77 minutes. As I said, I saw 4 seconds when McDermott cleared the bench v TN. I don't believe he did much in those 4 seconds. My original point was, and still is, I want Schertz to bring in players better than what we have. Hopefully players 11-13 are already on the roster and any additions will be better than them. This discussion is drifting away from my original statement. And by the way, Schertz has stated numerous times, he plays positionless basketball. He won't have a "4 spot". Agree, positionless, but think Anya and Casey are big minute guys ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 5 hours ago, Lord Elrond said: The problem is the best possible recruits will want guaranteed minutes, and we don’t have that many spare minutes left. If all we need is depth players, I’m not worried, there are still hundreds and hundreds of players with D1 game experience for depth. At some point in time, the players left will go for whatever they can get, even if it’s only a scholarship, or they can end their playing careers. Anyone who sits out a year because they didn’t get a good NIL deal this year will not be getting a NIL deal next year. No need for big NIL dollars if the goal is to fill out the roster with depth players. Now, if you can find someone who you think will play over whoever you’ve got committed already, go for it, but I doubt there are that many difference makers left. Well, that is the case when talking about D1. Did you ever (you plural meaning everyone in the board) think that a transfer from D2 might take a school to the NCAA tournament and actually be a major factor in this school's winning multiple games this last season. If any of you really know basketball you will know that I am referring to Jack Golkhe, who played for the Hillsdale College (a D2 school and won the D2 Basketball Regional Midwest Championship in 21-22). Jack Golkhe transferred to Oakland College, a D1 school in the Horizon league for the 23-24 season. Now, everybody knows that Oakland College and the Horizon league are not Basketball powerhouses. Everybody should also know that D2 Hillsdale College is not exactly the kind of place from where a basketball player should be expected to transfer into a basically unknown school in the Horizon league and take them the very next season first to the league's championship, and later on to win a number of games at the NCAA tournament. Check me out if you do not believe it. This is not opinion, this is fact. Oakland did not have a coach known to take teams to the Dance, and not only did they do it but managed to win several games. Check this out folks. A kid coming out of nowhere doing what he did, the very first year he played in D1. Please check this out. And even better Golkhe, who wanted to play D1 applied to a number of schools and only ONE school, Oakland, made an offer, so he went there. Players like this one are there, and may even want to transfer but no one gives them a chance. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 11 hours ago, WVBilliken said: Agree, positionless, but think Anya and Casey are big minute guys ..... So you have seen them both play. I saw one Ivy League team this past season - Dartmouth. I wasn't interested in watching a bad ACC team. So you have more knowledge of these two than I do. I'm still hoping Schertz over recruits with the three remaining scholarships. I want a second weekend roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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