Slu let the dogs out? Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 1-4, 1-5, whatever. The truth is we'll never receive an at-large bid in the A10 finishing 4th-6th. The goal should be to consistently finish at the TOP of the league: 1-3. Given the state of the A10 and our resources this isn't an unrealistic goal. The A10 is never going back to 4,5,6 bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbj14 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 While there isn’t a 100% correlation between money spent and wins, it certainly helps. SLU has the highest paid coach in the league, and a top 3 budget with Dayton and VCU. Top 3 finish should be the goal every single year. Period. CenHudDude likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 4 hours ago, BIG BILL FAN said: Just stop, you losers have been attacking him for months, even after wins, and now you’re feigning ignorance? Enjoy your little celebration and if true, next week we can whine about losing our entire recruiting class and most of our current roster. Your husband just isn’t a very good college basketball coach, Mrs. Ford. It’s nothing personal with him, we just don’t want him coaching at our university anymore. Maybe one of these 15 or 16 seeds will need a new coach after theirs move up in the college hoops world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUDrew Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Slu let the dogs out? said: 1-4, 1-5, whatever. The truth is we'll never receive an at-large bid in the A10 finishing 4th-6th. The goal should be to consistently finish at the TOP of the league: 1-3. Given the state of the A10 and our resources this isn't an unrealistic goal. The A10 is never going back to 4,5,6 bids. 100% There is NO LEGITIMATE REASON that we have not finished higher than 4th in this league, with our resources, during Ford's tenure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Slu let the dogs out? said: 1-4, 1-5, whatever. The truth is we'll never receive an at-large bid in the A10 finishing 4th-6th. The goal should be to consistently finish at the TOP of the league: 1-3. Given the state of the A10 and our resources this isn't an unrealistic goal. The A10 is never going back to 4,5,6 bids. This is pretty spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, Slu let the dogs out? said: 1-4, 1-5, whatever. The truth is we'll never receive an at-large bid in the A10 finishing 4th-6th. The goal should be to consistently finish at the TOP of the league: 1-3. Given the state of the A10 and our resources this isn't an unrealistic goal. The A10 is never going back to 4,5,6 bids. top three was reached this year, disappointment but far from bad, fordham played a much weaker schedule, if they play vcu and dayton twice likely would have had another loss or two, at large bids are very scarce and likely not more plentiful going forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Just now, dennis_w said: top three was reached this year, disappointment but far from bad, fordham played a much weaker schedule, if they play vcu and dayton twice likely would have had another loss or two, at large bids are very scarce and likely not more plentiful going forward They finished in fourth and got manhandled 3 times in a row by VCU in the weakest A10 year on record. It was bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Soderball said: They finished in fourth and got manhandled 3 times in a row by VCU in the weakest A10 year on record. It was bad. We went 1-5 against the other top 4 teams and people actually want to argue that we finished “tied for second”. It’s a laughable display of accepting mediocrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, gobillsgo said: We went 1-5 against the other top 4 teams and people actually want to argue that we finished “tied for second”. It’s a laughable display of accepting mediocrity. 12-6, 12-6, 12-6 that is the second place records, doesnt mean anyone likes it but that is the record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, dennis_w said: 12-6, 12-6, 12-6 that is the second place records, doesnt mean anyone likes it but that is the record if that’s what people need to think to convince themselves Ford “met expectations” with this year’s team, have at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUDrew Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Are we really arguing about finishing tied for 2nd or 4th in a ONE BID LEAGUE when we had so much talent returning and expectations were so high before the season?? If that's the case I would love to have the job security of being this program's head coach. Don't get wrong, all programs have years that fall well short of expectations (see UNC) Its the nature of the sports. So much of it is unpredictable especially when those expectations are based on college kids. However, we are not talking about Ford having one bad season. There is an evident and consistent pattern of mediocrity. He's had seven years and hasn't finished higher than fourth in a league that is in steady decline. That's the beginning and end of the story. TheA_Bomb and Spoon-Balls like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 23 minutes ago, dennis_w said: 12-6, 12-6, 12-6 that is the second place records, doesnt mean anyone likes it but that is the record Yikes. This is the point we are at. Help. Mayday. Billikens basketball program in danger of sinking. 7 minutes ago, SLUDrew said: Are we really arguing about finishing tied for 2nd or 4th in a ONE BID LEAGUE when we had so much talent returning and expectations were so high before the season?? If that's the case I would love to have the job security of being this program's head coach. Don't get wrong, all programs have years that fall well short of expectations (see UNC) Its the nature of the sports. So much of it is unpredictable especially when those expectations are based on college kids. However, we are not talking about Ford having one bad season. There is an evident and consistent pattern of mediocrity. He's had seven years and hasn't finished higher than fourth in a league that is in steady decline. That's the beginning and end of the story. Remember when this was our pre-game song? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 @ All of you.... 2010andBeyond likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOC Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 29 minutes ago, Soderball said: They finished in fourth and got manhandled 3 times in a row by VCU in the weakest A10 year on record. It was bad. Not sure why people have so much trouble with this, but we finished tied for 2nd. That means we finished 2nd. Nobody that finished 2nd would say they finished 4th, unless your narrative supports 4th. And to say 4th due to seeding is another narrative supporting statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 1 minute ago, billikenfan05 said: @ All of you.... Making excuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, DOC said: Not sure why people have so much trouble with this, but we finished tied for 2nd. That means we finished 2nd. Nobody that finished 2nd would say they finished 4th, unless your narrative supports 4th. And to say 4th due to seeding is another narrative supporting statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 1 minute ago, DOC said: Not sure why people have so much trouble with this, but we finished tied for 2nd. That means we finished 2nd. Nobody that finished 2nd would say they finished 4th, unless your narrative supports 4th. And to say 4th due to seeding is another narrative supporting statement. The difference between 2nd and 4th puts in you title game. pretty big difference. But you're right, its how you want to look at it. Did you think we were the 2nd best team in the conference, or did 4th feel more accurate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, DOC said: Not sure why people have so much trouble with this, but we finished tied for 2nd. That means we finished 2nd. Nobody that finished 2nd would say they finished 4th, unless your narrative supports 4th. And to say 4th due to seeding is another narrative supporting statement. Doc, come on dude. I'm as level headed as they come on Ford's tenure but when you finish second. They use a tiebreaker that means there are no ties. Dayton and Fordham achieved more than us, they got the tiebreaker and finished 2nd and 3rd respectively. It's just reality...It's not a narrative, it's not malicious twisting of the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseOfTheBillikens Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 55 minutes ago, SLUDrew said: 100% There is NO LEGITIMATE REASON that we have not finished higher than 4th in this league, with our resources, during Ford's tenure Well... There is a few reasons. And they are good ones lol see @ACE recap of last several seasons in whatever thread that was in for the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, wgstl said: The difference between 2nd and 4th puts in you title game. pretty big difference. But you're right, its how you want to look at it. Did you think we were the 2nd best team in the conference, or did 4th feel more accurate? Let's put it this way: we should have finished ahead of Fordham and Dayton, not 'tied' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: Let's put it this way: we should have finished ahead of Fordham and Dayton, not 'tied' You guys, stop arguing about did we finish 2 or 4th. There's no argument there's like an official ranking by an impartial arbiter called the A10. We could do something constructive and try to reach (in a civil manner) a consensus on what SLU's expectations should be next year and overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Just now, TheA_Bomb said: You guys, stop arguing about did we finish 2 or 4th. There's no argument there's like an official ranking by an impartial arbiter called the A10. We could do something constructive and try to reach (in a civil manner) a consensus on what SLU's expectations should be next year and overall. Hey I think I pretty much put a bow on anyone using semantics... I agree. There is no longer patience for any sort of rebuild, it's win or go home if Travis is the head coach next year....or anyone in the position TBH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 1 minute ago, billikenfan05 said: Hey I think I pretty much put a bow on anyone using semantics... I agree. There is no longer patience for any sort of rebuild, it's win or go home if Travis is the head coach next year....or anyone in the position TBH. OK I'll start with what I think SLU's overall expectations should be: -Win A10 regular season or tournament once every 4 years. -NIT appearance 2x every 4 years -Advance in NCAA Tournament 50% of your appearances, so every other time win at least 1 game -Advance in NIT at least every other appearance with more than 1 win. Next season, I need more data on who's staying and who's transferring in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: Let's put it this way: we should have finished ahead of Fordham and Dayton, not 'tied' the a-10 doesnt have a balanced scheduling, so the playing field is not level when it comes to conference records. billikens played four games against the top of the conference and fordham did not, should have? maybe but still tied not middle of the pack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 1 hour ago, dlarry said: The maths seems to check out here. Ahhh, are we speaking of SLU’s average A10 finish during the Ford era — or the median finish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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