Trigger Warning - Big East Coaching Salaries

[slu92]

Eye opening regardless if you are on pro Ford or anti Ford side.  1 NCAA in 9 years for Chris May and 1 NCAA in 7 years for Travis Ford. Makes more than Greg McDermott. One other thing to consider is if any of these jobs opened up Travis Ford would not even be a candidate for ANY of these jobs, even DePaul. I still don’t get it.

[RiseOfTheBillikens]

2 minutes ago, slu92 said:

Eye opening regardless if you are on pro Ford or anti Ford side.  1 NCAA in 9 years for Chris May and 1 NCAA in 7 months years for Travis Ford. Makes more than Greg McDermott. One other thing to consider is if any of these jobs opened up Travis Ford would not even be a candidate for ANY of these jobs, even DePaul. I still don’t get it.

 

Ah sh!t here we go again. I'll be back in a few months. Board is the same nonsense everyday.

[thatskablamo]

1 minute ago, slu92 said:

Eye opening regardless if you are on pro Ford or anti Ford side.  1 NCAA in 9 years for Chris May and 1 NCAA in 7 months years for Travis Ford. Makes more than Greg McDermott. One other thing to consider is if any of these jobs opened up Travis Ford would not even be a candidate for ANY of these jobs, even DePaul. I still don’t get it.

Chris May has been the athletic director at SLU for 15 years. 

[slu92]

7 minutes ago, RiseOfTheBillikens said:

 

Ah sh!t here we go again. I'll be back in a few months. Board is the same nonsense everyday.

Reality is a lot of people want him gone. Why comment? You read thread title. Instead support why he should stay!

Im saying here we go again bringing the guy back for his 8th year and going through the same bs another year! So I guess we are both frustrated. 

[Soderball]

16 minutes ago, slu92 said:

Eye opening regardless if you are on pro Ford or anti Ford side.  1 NCAA in 9 years for Chris May and 1 NCAA in 7 months years for Travis Ford. Makes more than Greg McDermott. One other thing to consider is if any of these jobs opened up Travis Ford would not even be a candidate for ANY of these jobs, even DePaul. I still don’t get it.

Just more gross evidence of why SLU basketball is cursed. It's cursed with a fanbase that loves mediocrity. It's cursed with an administration that doesn't care.

[thatskablamo]

Just now, Soderball said:

Just more gross evidence of why SLU basketball is cursed. It's cursed with a fanbase that loves mediocrity. It's cursed with an administration that doesn't care.

You could also say the same for the board of trustees who allowed for the secularization (like Georgetown) of the University. They have allowed for the trickle-down system of mediocrity to rain down upon Midtown. It’s reflected in the rankings academically and athletically. Hey, I think the Reinert-Hesburg Land O’ Lakes accord was great in getting the lay folks involved in the operations of Catholic-run institutions, but let’s also make sure those walls are buttressed by people who believe in the mission. 

[Soderball]

Just now, thatskablamo said:

You could also say the same for the board of trustees who allowed for the secularization (like Georgetown) of the University. They have allowed for the trickle-down system of mediocrity to rain down upon Midtown. It’s reflected in the rankings academically and athletically. Hey, I think the Reinert-Hesburg Land O’ Lakes accord was great in getting the lay folks involved in the operations of Catholic-run institutions, but let’s also make sure those walls are buttressed by people who believe in the mission. 

For all of Biondi's faults, mediocrity was not one of them.

When the arena went up Biondi said defiantly, "no more excuses" and yet here we are now.

[wgstl]

we really do need to keep all this to 1 thread. 

[thatskablamo]

17 minutes ago, Soderball said:

For all of Biondi's faults, mediocrity was not one of them.

When the arena went up Biondi said defiantly, "no more excuses" and yet here we are now.

Completely agree with you. The man is Jack Welch with a Roman collar.

[slu92]

11 minutes ago, wgstl said:

we really do need to keep all this to 1 thread. 

I’m happy to just post in a single thread. Nobody from the school or on this board has given one good reason why keeping this coach is the right call at this point. Talking with all my friends that know basketball and are season ticket holders a lot of people think a change needs to happen asap. I count 1 out of 9 years for May bc that’s when Crews’ teams were solely his and not Majerus’. May should get no credit for anything Rick Majerus or his recruits accomplished wasn’t his hire. 

[Brighton]

1 hour ago, RiseOfTheBillikens said:

 

Ah sh!t here we go again. I'll be back in a few months. Board is the same nonsense everyday.

Because it f’n bears repeating. This program has turned into a national joke.

[DOC]

2 hours ago, slu92 said:

I’m happy to just post in a single thread. Nobody from the school or on this board has given one good reason why keeping this coach is the right call at this point. Talking with all my friends that know basketball and are season ticket holders a lot of people think a change needs to happen asap. I count 1 out of 9 years for May bc that’s when Crews’ teams were solely his and not Majerus’. May should get no credit for anything Rick Majerus or his recruits accomplished wasn’t his hire. 

You have posted this exact sentiment at least 30 times in the last 30 days in 30 different threads. I don’t trust for one second you can keep your mouth shut. 

[cheeseman]

17 hours ago, Soderball said:

For all of Biondi's faults, mediocrity was not one of them.

When the arena went up Biondi said defiantly, "no more excuses" and yet here we are now.

Please, Biondi not accepting mediocrity as far as athletics goes he almost always accepted mediocrity.  

[Compton]

19 hours ago, slu92 said:

Eye opening regardless if you are on pro Ford or anti Ford side.  1 NCAA in 9 years for Chris May and 1 NCAA in 7 years for Travis Ford. Makes more than Greg McDermott. One other thing to consider is if any of these jobs opened up Travis Ford would not even be a candidate for ANY of these jobs, even DePaul. I still don’t get it.

It's good to see SLU right there with the Big East schools in terms of coaching salaries. The more similarities the better.

[courtside]

Head coach compensation is just one of many important aspects of resources and budgets for a school. As mentioned SLU would be a bottom tier Big East School right now in terms of overall basketball budget. The assumption is SLU would step it up in a big way if they played in a higher tier league.

It’s a HC salary thread so limited to just that one aspect: Roughly speaking the majority of Big East Schools will pay $3 million plus for a head coach. 

SLU’s hoops budget is top 75 range, top 3 in the A10. 

As for updates: McDermott signed a new deal last year. Sean Miller is making more than Travis Steele. Chris Mack was making more than $2 million there five years ago. Shaka Smart is making $3 million plus. Danny Hurley started $2.75, and it goes to $2.9. St. John’s is expected to pay a lot for Pitino. Georgetown will pay a lot again, Matta makes more than Jordan, etc…

People can debate elsewhere about the pros and cons of Travis Ford. I would think everyone would be in agreement that in the limited category of head coach pay, being more competitive is a good thing for SLU. 

 

[billiken_roy]

1 hour ago, cheeseman said:

Please, Biondi not accepting mediocrity as far as athletics goes he almost always accepted mediocrity.  

100% agree he constantly preached "top 50" but very little of his actions were in any sort of hurry to make that claim happen.   sure there instances of moving in that direction, my gosh Chaifetz arena is gorgeous imo, hiring rickma was unbelievable.   but imo that might have been moves that kept pace with where we were not enough to advance us to the top 50.   the real miss was not doing whatever it took to get to the big east.   instead we languish in the A10 who now is stuck with maybe the worst conference commissioner in all of college sports.   she has really let the sports world beat the living life out of the A-10.  what was once arguably the 6th best conference in sports is now somewhere out of the top 10 and in the days where we fear that all but the top 5 conferences will be eliminated from D1 sports, moving in the opposite direction of getting to the top 5 is not good.

heck i dont even know the lady's name.  its, bernadette, or betty or bashiba, some sort of "B" name.   that tells you alot she is so ineffective we dont even know her name.

[Compton]

1 hour ago, courtside said:

Roughly speaking the majority of Big East Schools will pay $3 million plus for a head coach.

According to the list provided above most pay under $2,250,000, less than SLU.

 

1 hour ago, courtside said:

As mentioned SLU would be a bottom tier Big East School right now in terms of overall basketball budget.

Where was this mentioned? Were numbers provided that support this claim or is it just speculation?

[courtside]

42 minutes ago, Compton said:

According to the list provided above most pay under $2,250,000, less than SLU.

 

Where was this mentioned? Were numbers provided that support this claim or is it just speculation?

1) The overall point is that SLU is very competitive with A10 budget and head coach compensation, which is a good thing. 

2) The above HC list is obviously a little dated as some of the coaches on it are no longer coaching at those schools. It isn’t difficult to see the pattern that higher profile, and/or more proven head coaches receive more compensation at these schools. And with some schools they have a standard in which they will pay many of their head coaches.

Xavier for example paid Chris Mack over $2 million before he left, but Steele started out lower. Jay Wright and Ed Cooley salaries are obvious for their success and longevity. Georgetown and Marquette will pay for coaches. Smart, Wojo, Ewing $3 Million. 

St. John’s isn’t going to hire Rick Pitino with Mike Anderson money. Sean Miller is making more than Travis Steele money. Thad Matta is making more than LaVall Jordan money. Greg McDermott signed a new deal last year. On the other side, Danny Hurley’s deal increases value over time. Kyle Neptune isn’t making $6 million. 

The above list even says 2020 on it. It’s now 2023. 

And assistant coach compensation has a lot of value too, very important, but that doesn’t seem to get level of buzz or discussion. And basketball budgets take into consideration many other things too.

This is from 2022:

https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/college-basketball-budgets-2022

[majerus mojo]

slu92 = banghegotit

[Billiken Rich]

1 hour ago, majerus mojo said:

slu92 = banghegotit

=another troll from days gone by..........Trollkowski?

[RiseOfTheBillikens]

2 hours ago, Billiken Rich said:

=another troll from days gone by..........Trollkowski?

=Brighton 

[JMM28]

21 hours ago, courtside said:

And assistant coach compensation has a lot of value too, very important, but that doesn’t seem to get level of buzz or discussion. And basketball budgets take into consideration many other things too.

 

This is a good point. A smart coach is going to fight for a higher assistant coach budget more so than an extra 100-200k on his own salary. 

[courtside]

49 minutes ago, JMM28 said:

This is a good point. A smart coach is going to fight for a higher assistant coach budget more so than an extra 100-200k on his own salary. 

It’s both.

It’s just standard. You have to have it in order to compete at a higher level. It’s incomplete to only include a head coach’s salary without also referencing   staff comp too. 

My first reaction to Ford’s compensation is positive, that’s great. a long time coming for a SLU coach to be more competitive in the landscape. My first reaction isn’t negative that Ford is overpaid or hasn’t earned it etc…SLU can always change head coaches. But there needed to be an increased and improved standard of head coach compensation. (just one of among many other resource and budget items)

We also haven’t had to have as many charter flight conversations in recent memory, and so on. All of those are types of things that Majerus battled for, that have now become increasingly more standard for SLU. 

This is also why comparing eras is futile as different eras are played under different circumstances. It’s more about compared to your peers at the time. And success can come in a variety of ways. Doing some dirty work battling Biondi etc…is checking an accomplishment box. 

[Billiken Rich]

9 hours ago, RiseOfTheBillikens said:

=Brighton 

I obviously need a program to keep up.....

[TheChosenOne]

2 hours ago, courtside said:

It’s both.

It’s just standard. You have to have it in order to compete at a higher level. It’s incomplete to only include a head coach’s salary without also referencing   staff comp too. 

My first reaction to Ford’s compensation is positive, that’s great. a long time coming for a SLU coach to be more competitive in the landscape. My first reaction isn’t negative that Ford is overpaid or hasn’t earned it etc…SLU can always change head coaches. But there needed to be an increased and improved standard of head coach compensation. (just one of among many other resource and budget items)

We also haven’t had to have as many charter flight conversations in recent memory, and so on. All of those are types of things that Majerus battled for, that have now become increasingly more standard for SLU. 

This is also why comparing eras is futile as different eras are played under different circumstances. It’s more about compared to your peers at the time. And success can come in a variety of ways. Doing some dirty work battling Biondi etc…is checking an accomplishment box. 

This is a good post and shows that those funding the program have stepped up and delivered on their end. Now it is time for Coach Ford to deliver and if I was one of those giving substantial money I would be getting rather impatient (although they may have also been played by Ford and his agent). This offseason and next season need to produce results. It sounds like Ford has to be the guy based on the thoughts with respect to his contract.