Schasz Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 See he is 64 points away from breaking Pistol Pete Maravich scoring record that has been around since 1970. Believe Detroit Mercy is another Jesuit U so I hope the young man breaks the record. Did not realize he was getting close, and see he is a 6'1" Guard...obviously not a PG. Anyone on here see him play? His Dad is the HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, Schasz said: See he is 64 points away from breaking Pistol Pete Maravich scoring record that has been around since 1970. Believe Detroit Mercy is another Jesuit U so I hope the young man breaks the record. Did not realize he was getting close, and see he is a 6'1" Guard...obviously not a PG. Anyone on here see him play? His Dad is the HC. Maravich got the record in 3 years, before the 3 point shot came into play. It will take Davis 5 years to top Pistol Pete. A big * if you ask me. Davis is a finalist for the Bob Cousy Point Guard Award. His Dad, Mike, followed Bobby Knight at IU. Decent guy but whomever follows a Legend is bound to fail. He did very well, but he resigned after 6 seasons. Young Charles, AGB91 and billiken_roy like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schasz Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share Posted February 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Maravich got the record in 3 years, before the 3 point shot came into play. It will take Davis 5 years to top Pistol Pete. A big * if you ask me. Davis is a finalist for the Bob Cousy Point Guard Award. His Dad, Mike, followed Bobby Knight at IU. Decent guy but whomever follows a Legend is bound to fail. He did very well, but he resigned after 6 seasons. There is a nice article on Yahoo Sports about this kid. He studied the Pete Maravich Instructional video. Did not even realize he was close until he put his name in portal and had several schools interested. He seriously considered BYU, but decided to stay with his Dad. The article quotes Pistol Pete's son who knows that his Dad played in fewer games, but he would have no problem is the young Davis does break it. He may have to get to Semi's to do it. He averages over 28 a game, and is double and triple teamed a lot. Anyone on here see him play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLIKNS Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Last year Detroit Mercy accepted a bid to The Basketball Classic, had a losing record ... So it is possible they could get an invite this year, and possibly get extra game , if the don't win the Horizon Tournament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Pistol Pete was a freak! Still, pretty cool what Davis is doing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 I'm a little too young to remember Pistol Pete but I recall watching Pistol Pete biopic when I was a kid. 1991 "The Pistol" Birth of a Legend" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102674/ For some reason that makes me think of this TV Movie of the week, Boom Boom Mancini biopic, "Heart of a Champion: The Ray Mancini Story" 1985 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089261/ Yeah all the extra games and the COVID year skew the numbers but still a huge accomplishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, BLIKNS said: Last year Detroit Mercy accepted a bid to The Basketball Classic, had a losing record ... So it is possible they could get an invite this year, and possibly get extra game , if the don't win the Horizon Tournament Hell yes. If he needs one more game to possibly break the record, bank it that they get an invite somewhere. They are the 8th seed in the Horizon tourney and play 9th seed Purdue Ft. Wayne on their home floor. If the Titans advance, they would be on the road for the next game. The semi's and finals are at the Indiana Farmer's Coliseum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiCAN Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Pete was a unicorn. The top three seasons ppg average in NCAA history are all him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 geez, there is no comparison. talk about a hollow "victory" one guy only has 3 varsity seasons and no three point line the other plays 5 with a 3 point line. yes, put an asterick on this record! billikenbill likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Light Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: geez, there is no comparison. talk about a hollow "victory" one guy only has 3 varsity seasons and no three point line the other plays 5 with a 3 point line. yes, put an asterick on this record! Yeah, but Pete only played white players in the segregated SEC so there already is an asterisk on that record. Can you imagine how many points Larry Bird would have scored in that scenario? pakapablo likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 The fifth year/COVID situation has the potential to skew all sorts of records. Yuri's chase of the all-time assist record is another much like Davis' scoring chase. If Yuri were to average his 10 apg and play at least 3 more games this year, he'd be at about 870, good for 19th on the overall list, a scant 206 away from leader Bobby Hurley. In an average Collins year, he'd pass that for sure wit only 206 more to go. Playing 30 more games would mean he'd need to average 7 apg to break it. TheChosenOne likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shempie Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Pistol Pete Maravich vs George Gervin - HORSE - Bing video There are a few of these out there on YouTube. Fun stuff. Enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Matty Light said: Yeah, but Pete only played white players in the segregated SEC so there already is an asterisk on that record. Can you imagine how many points Larry Bird would have scored in that scenario? Mostly but not completely true. Pistol Pete hit LSU's varsity roster in 1967-1968, exactly the season integration started in the SEC. It was a slow roll, though. Perry Wallace at Vanderbilt was the first Black player in the SEC. Other teams followed during the next few years but others didn't start until after Maravich was gone for the NBA in 1970 (he technically never graduated). Collis Temple was the first at LSU in 1971. The Louisiana National Guard had to escort him on to campus. Maravich's dad, Press, was the coach and treated Temple poorly, to put it generously (I won't reprint some of his choice quotes here). He was fired in 1972 for poor performance, not racism. Had the SEC been fully integrated when Maravich started playing, there's no doubt the level of competition would've been a lot tougher for him. He still would've led the league and probably the NCAA in scoring, though. I just wonder to what degree his numbers would've been different. For instance, having the 3-point line at that time probably would've increased his number more than playing against tougher competition would've decreased it. Had Larry Bird been 9 years older and had a permanent green light while playing for his dad in a mostly segregated league, yeah, he may have scored as much or more than Pistol Pete. There's an 850 point difference between them, though, so who knows. I'm not for adding an asterisk for anyone. They're all products of their eras and specific circumstances. Matty Light likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 24 minutes ago, shempie said: Pistol Pete Maravich vs George Gervin - HORSE - Bing video There are a few of these out there on YouTube. Fun stuff. Enjoy. Reminds me of playing horse with my kids. The only chance I had was thru garbage shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Matty Light said: Yeah, but Pete only played white players in the segregated SEC so there already is an asterisk on that record. Can you imagine how many points Larry Bird would have scored in that scenario? well the sec was competing for the national championship as much as other conferences in the late 60's and early 70's and was recognized as one of the top conferences, so even if your racism claims held water, he was playing in one of the most competitive and toughest leagues in america. and i am pretty sure the sec was not an all white conference as you contend either. second, maravich's nba career showed he could play with anybody. if you are trying to say this pretender all time scorer was in the same level of talent as maravich, i guess we will find out soon when he plays in the nba correct? Young Charles and almaman like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Taj79 said: The fifth year/COVID situation has the potential to skew all sorts of records. Yuri's chase of the all-time assist record is another much like Davis' scoring chase. If Yuri were to average his 10 apg and play at least 3 more games this year, he'd be at about 870, good for 19th on the overall list, a scant 206 away from leader Bobby Hurley. In an average Collins year, he'd pass that for sure wit only 206 more to go. Playing 30 more games would mean he'd need to average 7 apg to break it. In some cases, the 5th/COVID year absolutely skews things. Yuri & assists not so much. Don't forget that COVID took away a bunch of games, so Yuri career games played right now isn't what a normal 4 year player's career games played would be. Hurley also had a ton of additional games because of Duke's deep NCAA runs during his career. This is where things currently stand: Hurley 1,076 career assists in 140 career games (7.7 assists per game) Yuri 840 career assists in 112 career games (7.5 assists per game) Assuming Yuri plays college ball next year there is a pretty decent possibility he gets 236+ assists to tie/pass Hurley within his next 28 career games. He's averaging 10.2 per this season, so 8.5 per game seems easily doable. FYI - #2 on the career assists list Chris Corchiana had 1,038 in 124 career games (8.4 per game). Maybe Hurley's record should have an asterisk on it because playing with Christian Laettner & Grant Hill allowed him to play 140 games in 4 years vs Corchiani's 124 in 4 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Light Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 19 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: well the sec was competing for the national championship as much as other conferences in the late 60's and early 70's and was recognized as one of the top conferences, so even if your racism claims held water, he was playing in one of the most competitive and toughest leagues in america. and i am pretty sure the sec was not an all white conference as you contend either. second, maravich's nba career showed he could play with anybody. if you are trying to say this pretender all time scorer was in the same level of talent as maravich, i guess we will find out soon when he plays in the nba correct? I don't know what you are talking about. I never made any racism claims. Nor am I saying anything about Detroit Mercy's player. I am only pointing out the context of the record. He did not play against black players when putting up those numbers. Yes, he played in the NBA on one of the worst teams in the league. Pete was a great scorer but he was not better than Larry Bird or Kareem. And how can you say the SEC was one of the best conferences? Because they had Kentucky? One team? Only the conference champion got a bid to the NCAA tournament in those days and it was Kentucky and Adolph Rupp every year. It didn't matter if the Pac-10 or the Big-10 had 5 of the top 10 teams only one made the tournament. I don't buy into your SEC was as good a conference or as competitive as the Big10 and Pac10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 58 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: well the sec was competing for the national championship as much as other conferences in the late 60's and early 70's and was recognized as one of the top conferences, so even if your racism claims held water, he was playing in one of the most competitive and toughest leagues in america. and i am pretty sure the sec was not an all white conference as you contend either. The SEC was every bit as all white a conference as you could imagine. Mississippi State won the SEC in 1959, 1960 and 1962, but wasn’t allowed to compete in the NCAA tournament by their own University because they would have had to play against integrated teams. The 1963 team was snuck out of town without the University President being aware of it to play against Loyola-Chicago (who had 4 black starters). The 1966 NCAA championship featured Adolph Rupp’s 1966 Kentucky team (no blacks) against Texas Western (5 black starters), and was won by Texas Western. Only after this came the first black player in the SEC in 1967 (Perry Wallace at Vanderbilt). The game that really changed the SEC (both football and basketball) was a football game that occurred in 1970. USC, an integrated team, played Alabama (all-white) in Alabama on Sep 12, 1970, in the first game a team with black players on it ever played against Alabama in Alabama. USC won 42-21, all 6 touchdowns scored by African-American players, and the rest of the SEC realized they had to change to compete. Go read the book Turning the Tide: How one game changed the South by Don Yeager. Matty Light likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 so maravich first played varsity basketball in 1967. i.e. after the sec was indeed intergrated. this is a stupid subject and i am insulted that it was even brought up. i'm done with it. Billiken Rich likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 8 hours ago, shempie said: Pistol Pete Maravich vs George Gervin - HORSE - Bing video There are a few of these out there on YouTube. Fun stuff. Enjoy. Thanks for sharing. Cool video! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLIKNS Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Davis scored 38 tonight in Detroit win, play the #1 seed next , needs 25 to tie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 36 minutes ago, BLIKNS said: Davis scored 38 tonight in Detroit win, play the #1 seed next , needs 25 to tie His box score was impressive, 14 of 27 from the field, 6 of 13 from the arc, 8 rebounds, 8 assists and 4 steals. Schasz likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Pistol Pete Maravich was a great player at LSU and had a long, successful career in the NBA. I remember watching him on TV playing in the NIT at Madison Square Garden when the NIT was still a highly regarded tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLIKNS Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 I looked , had forgot they played a 3rd place game also... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 On 2/28/2023 at 11:55 AM, shempie said: Pistol Pete Maravich vs George Gervin - HORSE - Bing video There are a few of these out there on YouTube. Fun stuff. Enjoy. Found myself cheering for Gervin since he was just shooting and Maravich was completely reliant on gimmick shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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