wgstl Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 If a donor pays and we can expect that donor to keep giving, great. I don't want that donor to pay whatever million to get rid of Ford, due to Mays bad contract negotiating, and never give the SLU another cent after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 21 hours ago, CBFan said: You forgot some Kramer, Hughes, and Thames. I like the local talent but I don’t like the head coach. Chris Beard got his walking papers take a big risk and see what he can do with the home grown talent. This years' Fr class, the 3 you mentioned, is probably the weakest group of recruits in many of years. No way they carry us to anywhere close to an A 10 title or an NCAA at large bid in the next 3 years. This might be the Billikens' ceiling for a while-mid level A 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 11 minutes ago, bauman said: This years' Fr class, the 3 you mentioned, is probably the weakest group of recruits in many of years. No way they carry us to anywhere close to an A 10 title or an NCAA at large bid in the next 3 years. This might be the Billikens' ceiling for a while-mid level A 10 I think Hughes has looked like a player. The other two are a mystery at this point. TheA_Bomb likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 4 minutes ago, dlarry said: I think Hughes has looked like a player. The other two are a mystery at this point. Remember I said as a group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, brianstl said: They bought out Crews. They paid him $1.8 million in 2016 to cover the last two years of his contract. Sorry I was not clear - I meant Crews was the one who would just sit back and wait not SLU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 35 minutes ago, bauman said: This years' Fr class, the 3 you mentioned, is probably the weakest group of recruits in many of years. No way they carry us to anywhere close to an A 10 title or an NCAA at large bid in the next 3 years. This might be the Billikens' ceiling for a while-mid level A 10 I agree with your weakness statement but with the Portal everything has changed. That's where Ford and Tate will need to recruit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 3 minutes ago, willie said: I agree with your weakness statement but with the Portal everything has changed. That's where Ford and Tate will need to recruit. Except Ford has said he plans to not rely on the Portal if you can believe him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, willie said: A lot of people on this board were worried that was going to happen. Your take is very revisionist . Somebody who is better at search can look it up. Yeah thats great but the MBM moniker exists for a reason. Travis Ford hasn't had a sniff of moving up since he's been at SLU. He isn't a hot commodity. He never was. The best thing that could happen to SLU would be a coach moving up instead of having to be fired, retire, or die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 56 minutes ago, dlarry said: I think Hughes has looked like a player. The other two are a mystery at this point. this is the answer. they have next to nothing in meaningful minutes played for the whole season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Can we still fire Ford with cause for throwing a birthday party for his son during the pandemic? stmdragons, slufan13, BC1764 and 1 other like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, bauman said: This years' Fr class, the 3 you mentioned, is probably the weakest group of recruits in many of years. No way they carry us to anywhere close to an A 10 title or an NCAA at large bid in the next 3 years. This might be the Billikens' ceiling for a while-mid level A 10 Recruiting classes will vary depending on the upperclassmen around them. It's hard to bring in good freshman when you can't promise them a lick of playing time, which is what you've seen this year. Next year's freshman class is much better, because we're expecting them to have immediate roles. The class immediately after Goodwin and Has? Carte'Are was a big name but we know how that went, Fred turned out to be great but wasn't highly regarded at the time, and Demarius Jacobs was also just a 3 star recruit. I don't think that class on paper, nor through their first year, proved any better than this year's freshmen. And we seem to not be including Momo in that count because we have 4 in the freshman class. billikenbill likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 31 minutes ago, TheChosenOne said: Can we still fire Ford with cause for throwing a birthday party for his son during the pandemic? It wasn't the #TeamBlue first thing to do. slufan13 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, bauman said: This years' Fr class, the 3 you mentioned, is probably the weakest group of recruits in many of years. No way they carry us to anywhere close to an A 10 title or an NCAA at large bid in the next 3 years. This might be the Billikens' ceiling for a while-mid level A 10 You have no way of knowing this until we see the kids play. Kramer has a division one build played defense and is a good shooter in high school and in practice he is 6’ 2”. He can also dunk the ball. Thames was the leading scorer on his high school team. If they stay at SLU I am looking forward to seeing what all 3 can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlow Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, CBFan said: You have no way of knowing this until we see the kids play. Kramer has a division one build played defense and is a good shooter in high school and in practice he is 6’ 2”. He can also dunk the ball. Thames was the leading scorer on his high school team. If they stay at SLU I am looking forward to seeing what all 3 can do. Ford has given out plenty of evidence over the years that you won’t see these frosh unless it’s a blowout.if Ford turns his back on the portal, he is making a stupid and horrible mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 College basketball recruiting today is built around the transfer portal. Mizzou went from garbage to Top 25 in one offseason by hiring a new coach and working the portal. This attitude of bringing in frosh and developing them is tired, old stuff. All you're doing is preparing them to transfer to another school and win there, not here. willie and Schasz like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Holly Hills Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Poor coaching always accentuates the negative. Look at Memphis.. penny is loaded with 4star guys and the results have been blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Soderball said: College basketball recruiting today is built around the transfer portal. Mizzou went from garbage to Top 25 in one offseason by hiring a new coach and working the portal. This attitude of bringing in frosh and developing them is tired, old stuff. All you're doing is preparing them to transfer to another school and win there, not here. Note that the first step was hiring a new coach. We need one too if we want to go up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 41 minutes ago, Dr. Holly Hills said: Poor coaching always accentuates the negative. Look at Memphis.. penny is loaded with 4star guys and the results have been blah. In 20-21 Penny won the NIT. In 21-22 he made it to the round of 32. He's presently 11-4 with a ranking of 34 on the Pomeroy. Memphis attendance averages around 15,000 at the Fedex. If Ford had similar achievements we would not be having this discussion. CBFan likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Holly Hills Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 23 minutes ago, MusicCityBilliken said: In 20-21 Penny won the NIT. In 21-22 he made it to the round of 32. He's presently 11-4 with a ranking of 34 on the Pomeroy. Memphis attendance averages around 15,000 at the Fedex. If Ford had similar achievements we would not be having this discussion. The NIT doesn’t really move the needle for me. But yes, I would take those results over what we’ve got from Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 33 minutes ago, Dr. Holly Hills said: The NIT doesn’t really move the needle for me. But yes, I would take those results over what we’ve got from Ford. Actually winning the NIT should. Being SLU and going to the NIT to get drubbed by UNI should be moving needles backwards. MusicCityBilliken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhagolf Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 The pitiful statistics on team defense speaks for itself. This is primarily a coaching issue. The coach can teach positioning and helping out, but teaching a team to "shoot better" is a tall order. Either Ford needs to focus on that or get a defensive-minded assistant coach. The rest of the season will determine what is done or should be done, one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhagolf Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 And any coach who dismisses the value of the transfer portal is living in the Stone Age. Change you tune or get out of the business! BC1764 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, rhagolf said: And any coach who dismisses the value of the transfer portal is living in the Stone Age. Change you tune or get out of the business! It may be his only salvation for next year but sometimes people do exactly the opposite of what they need to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 At seasons end we expect to lose our entire starting lineup and 2 of the 3 first guys off the bench. I think TJ stays figuring he will start next year. No idea as to what Jimerson might do but figure he wants to play in a dance or two before his college days are done. It’s highly unlikely he’ll get that chance at SLU. He’d be a hot commodity in the portal. So whether it’s Ford or someone new we’re going to have to work the Portal since we’ll be 4 or 5 guys short of a full roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 hours ago, rhagolf said: The pitiful statistics on team defense speaks for itself. This is primarily a coaching issue. The coach can teach positioning and helping out, but teaching a team to "shoot better" is a tall order. Either Ford needs to focus on that or get a defensive-minded assistant coach. The rest of the season will determine what is done or should be done, one way or the other. We don’t have an offense issue. We haven’t shot it particularly well and still lead the conference in PPG. I think the schemes are fine and we get good looks more often than not. Defensive end has killed us. If we were just average on that end we’d be in the at-large discussion dlarry, brianstl and Dr. Holly Hills like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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