Does Anyone Really Think Ford Still Is A Good Coach After This Mess?

[Billiken Rich]

11 hours ago, JMM28 said:

Travis Ford at SLU is basically Brian Gregory at Dayton. Bunch of preseason championship banners and nothing else except underachievement. 

God remember the poster, I think it was Billiken Law, he had "coulda had Gregory" as his signature......

 

Had to check, Gregory did have a decent record at Dayton 172-94.  Still not ready to throw Travis on the Gregory/Soderberg trash pile just yet.......unless you can pull another Majerus out of your hat.......

[GOSLU68]

We have two or three groups of fans at the moment: 1) apathetic if it rains or snows they watch on TV

2) fair weather: if we win three games they show up if we lose two they stay home

3) the really dedicated who ***** on the Billiken Messsge Board but think buying a Tshirt is a major donation

[GOSLU68]

Just now, GOSLU68 said:

We have two or three groups of fans at the moment: 1) apathetic if it rains or snows they watch on TV

2) fair weather: if we win three games they show up if we lose two they stay home

3) the really dedicated who ***** on the Billiken Messsge Board but think buying a Tshirt is a major donation

 

1 minute ago, GOSLU68 said:

We have two or three groups of fans at the moment: 1) apathetic if it rains or snows they watch on TV

2) fair weather: if we win three games they show up if we lose two they stay home

3) the really dedicated who ***** on the Billiken Messsge Board but think buying a Tshirt is a major donation

Not allowed to use butch words for female dogs?

[Billiken Rich]

1 minute ago, GOSLU68 said:

 

Not allowed to use butch words for female dogs?

For a while there we couldn't say Dick Bennett

[davidnark]

8 minutes ago, GOSLU68 said:

We have two or three groups of fans at the moment: 1) apathetic if it rains or snows they watch on TV

2) fair weather: if we win three games they show up if we lose two they stay home

3) the really dedicated who ***** on the Billiken Messsge Board but think buying a Tshirt is a major donation

Some of us have morphed into a weird combination of all 3. 

[CBFan]

2 hours ago, GOSLU68 said:

We have two or three groups of fans at the moment: 1) apathetic if it rains or snows they watch on TV

2) fair weather: if we win three games they show up if we lose two they stay home

3) the really dedicated who ***** on the Billiken Messsge Board but think buying a Tshirt is a major donation

4) dedicated season ticket holders that goes to most of the games.  I sit around a lot of those folks.  I complain on this site but I am doing better.

3 seasons ago at the Dayton game the people next to us that hardly showed up did not go to the game because of the prediction of snow.  I asked them when the showed up the next home game and they told me the weather.

[JohnnyJumpUp]

30 minutes ago, CBFan said:

4) dedicated season ticket holders that goes to most of the games.  I sit around a lot of those folks.  I complain on this site but I am doing better.

[Bills By 40]

On 12/19/2022 at 9:31 AM, Bills By 40 said:

I hope we win by 20+, that's more important than freshman playing right now. (See: NET.)

Circling back to this, reminded of it by @wgstl

 

Dayton is now the 88th ranked team in NET after climbing 20 spots from 108 following their 40-point victory yesterday. Just 4 days ago they moved 29 spots from 145 to 116 after beating Wyoming by 17 in a game they were only favored by 2.5, and just 6 days before that they moved 30 spots from 189 to 159 after beating UNC Asheville by 23 in a game they were only favored by 10.5. They improved 101 spots in the NET rankings in a span of ~11 days. 

This goes to show two things: There's a LOT of room for movement in the NET rankings (albeit maybe less in the sub-100 range than there is above it), and it's very important that we win big in the games we can.  

[wgstl]

2 minutes ago, Bills By 40 said:

Circling back to this, reminded of it by @wgstl

 

Dayton is now the 88th ranked team in NET after climbing 20 spots from 108 following their 40-point victory yesterday. Just 4 days ago they moved 29 spots from 145 to 116 after beating Wyoming by 17 in a game they were only favored by 2.5, and just 6 days before that they moved 30 spots from 189 to 159 after beating UNC Asheville by 23 in a game they were only favored by 10.5. They improved 101 spots in the NET rankings in a span of ~11 days. 

This goes to show two things: There's a LOT of room for movement in the NET rankings (albeit maybe less in the sub-100 range than there is above it), and it's very important that we win big in the games we can.  

Ha, didn't even see this post, great minds something something 

[Compton]

11 minutes ago, Bills By 40 said:

Circling back to this, reminded of it by @wgstl

 

Dayton is now the 88th ranked team in NET after climbing 20 spots from 108 following their 40-point victory yesterday. Just 4 days ago they moved 29 spots from 145 to 116 after beating Wyoming by 17 in a game they were only favored by 2.5, and just 6 days before that they moved 30 spots from 189 to 159 after beating UNC Asheville by 23 in a game they were only favored by 10.5. They improved 101 spots in the NET rankings in a span of ~11 days. 

This goes to show two things: There's a LOT of room for movement in the NET rankings (albeit maybe less in the sub-100 range than there is above it), and it's very important that we win big in the games we can.  

Someone mentioned that Providence and Drake beating Top 25 teams moved us up all of ONE spot. That may have been in reference to NET. In KenPom we actually dropped one spot after yesterday's games.

We have a few quality wins. To parrot what you and @wgstlare saying, what we clearly need is more beat downs of low-level teams.

[Billiken Rich]

3 minutes ago, Compton said:

Someone mentioned that Providence and Drake beating Top 25 teams moved us up all of ONE spot. That may have been in reference to NET. In KenPom we actually dropped one spot after yesterday's games.

We have a few quality wins. To parrot what you and @wgstlare saying, what we clearly need is more beat downs of low-level teams.

starting tonight!

[Bills By 40]

13 minutes ago, Compton said:

Someone mentioned that Providence and Drake beating Top 25 teams moved us up all of ONE spot. That may have been in reference to NET. In KenPom we actually dropped one spot after yesterday's games.

We have a few quality wins. To parrot what you and @wgstlare saying, what we clearly need is more beat downs of low-level teams.

One spot may seem insignificant but that was all while we were sitting at home. We didn't even play a game. 

Important things to track:

- Drake's win moved them up 15 spots to 84, and they're now only 9 spots away from turning to a Q2 win. That development would (likely) show far more improvement. Drake has as many as 5 Q2 games in conference play and could easily win 15+ games in conference play so 9+ spots in NET is very realistic if not likely. 

- Providence's win moved them up 7 spots to 79th and if they can climb 29 more to 50th they will be a Q1 win. If that happens I bet we move 5-10 spots in NET and our at-large chances go through the roof. Providence has as many as 9 Q1 games and 5 Q2 games left on the schedule (the Q2 games could increase if some of the Q1 fall in rankings) so moving 29 spots is not out of the question though could be difficult. KenPom does have them projected to finish 10-10 in conference play in which case they would not be anywhere near 50, but they'd have to be below 100 to lose the Q2 status for us, and if they play like they did last night they will be laughing at 10-10.  

[Young Charles]

Providence: "Saved by the Whistle" Coming to a theatre near you!  

[Soderball]

56 minutes ago, Bills By 40 said:

One spot may seem insignificant but that was all while we were sitting at home. We didn't even play a game. 

Important things to track:

- Drake's win moved them up 15 spots to 84, and they're now only 9 spots away from turning to a Q2 win. That development would (likely) show far more improvement. Drake has as many as 5 Q2 games in conference play and could easily win 15+ games in conference play so 9+ spots in NET is very realistic if not likely. 

- Providence's win moved them up 7 spots to 79th and if they can climb 29 more to 50th they will be a Q1 win. If that happens I bet we move 5-10 spots in NET and our at-large chances go through the roof. Providence has as many as 9 Q1 games and 5 Q2 games left on the schedule (the Q2 games could increase if some of the Q1 fall in rankings) so moving 29 spots is not out of the question though could be difficult. KenPom does have them projected to finish 10-10 in conference play in which case they would not be anywhere near 50, but they'd have to be below 100 to lose the Q2 status for us, and if they play like they did last night they will be laughing at 10-10.  

That ended after we had a home loss to Boise State. We come in first in conference season, win the A10 tournament, or we are going to the NIT.

[Bills By 40]

1 minute ago, Soderball said:

That ended after we had a home loss to Boise State. We come in first in conference season, win the A10 tournament, or we are going to the NIT.

I - and most basketball brains, too - disagree with you. 

[Slu let the dogs out?]

23 minutes ago, Young Charles said:

Providence: "Saved by the Whistle" Coming to a theatre near you!  

Reminds me of our loss (by 8 ) against U of Minnesota a few years back:

SLU - 12/17 

MN - 34/41

 

[Compton]

8 minutes ago, Soderball said:

That ended after we had a home loss to Boise State. We come in first in conference season, win the A10 tournament, or we are going to the NIT.

Finishing 2nd with a 14-4 record and going 2-1 in the conference tournament means 25 wins. In the last 10+ years every A10 team with 25 wins has made the tournament. The '17-'18 Bonnies (2nd place, 14-4 record) and '14-'15 Flyers (2nd place, 13-5 record) were the closest calls - both being seeded in the First Four.

[brianstl]

14 minutes ago, Compton said:

Finishing 2nd with a 14-4 record and going 2-1 in the conference tournament means 25 wins. In the last 10+ years every A10 team with 25 wins has made the tournament. The '17-'18 Bonnies (2nd place, 14-4 record) and '14-'15 Flyers (2nd place, 13-5 record) were the closest calls - both being seeded in the First Four.

The '18 Bonnies finished with a RPI of 27.  The '15 Flyers finished with an RPI of 29.  Both those teams barely made the tournament with really good RPI rankings when the RPI mattered.  If the RPI still mattered, going 14-4 in the conference would get us in the tournament.  We would end up with an RPI in the mid to high 20's.  

RPI doesn't matter anymore.  going 14-4 in the conference and losing in the conference tournament final is going to mean we most likely end up with a NET ranking in the low 50's.  That is going to leave us on the wrong side of the bubble.  Going 15-3 and losing in the conference tournament final would get us into to the high 40's and I believe into the tournament.  

[cheeseman]

1 hour ago, Compton said:

Finishing 2nd with a 14-4 record and going 2-1 in the conference tournament means 25 wins. In the last 10+ years every A10 team with 25 wins has made the tournament. The '17-'18 Bonnies (2nd place, 14-4 record) and '14-'15 Flyers (2nd place, 13-5 record) were the closest calls - both being seeded in the First Four.

If we win the conf tourney it doesn't matter where we finish during the season.

[Old guy]

Brianstl, last season, we had a win loss of 13-7 for the conference and A10 tournament. At least one, and probably more than that, were conference games that we should have won but lost instead. For the whole season our win loss was 24-11. We did not win the A10 tournament and we went to the NIT.

This year we are about to end the OOC part of the season. Assuming we win against SIUe we will have a win loss of 9-4 in OOC. Let's say that we do as well as we did last year in the conference and tournament part and wind up with an overall win loss of 14-7 with a 2-1 loss in the  A10 tournament. Our win loss for the season will then be 23-11 and we will not  make the Dance, probably we will go to the NIT instead. That is, if we do as well as we did last year. Can we do, at least that?

Yes, I know Perkins is playing this year but his performance has been inconsistent and there is no reason to believe it will stop being the same way for the rest of the season. So, the question is can we win an extra 2 games during this year's conference portion of the season, have a 2-1 loss at the A10 tournament and come out with a n overall win loss 25-9 for the season. I am not a betting person, but I would not bet on having a 25-9 season this year.

 

 

[BC1764]

On 12/20/2022 at 11:15 AM, GOSLU68 said:

We have two or three groups of fans at the moment: 1) apathetic if it rains or snows they watch on TV

2) fair weather: if we win three games they show up if we lose two they stay home

3) the really dedicated who ***** on the Billiken Messsge Board but think buying a Tshirt is a major donation

So, we’re fan gatekeeping now ? SLU is not in a place where they can afford to do that.

[Dr. Holly Hills]

I think Ford is slowing becoming aware of the changing tide…

[BC1764]

Same song every year.

[Westy03]

 

[BC1764]

On 12/7/2022 at 7:19 PM, slufan13 said:

Small-time attitudes bring small-time results

The Billiken Way since the late 60's.