gabriel Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 I'm probably beating a dead horse, but I can't get over how much of a joke the NET rankings are. The Bradley Braves at ranked 10 points higher than the Saint Louis Billikens. I want to hear a possible logical explanation that says Bradley's resume can even be brought up in the same sentence as ours. Bay Area Billiken and BC1764 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 20 minutes ago, gabriel said: I'm probably beating a dead horse, but I can't get over how much of a joke the NET rankings are. The Bradley Braves at ranked 10 points higher than the Saint Louis Billikens. I want to hear a possible logical explanation that says Bradley's resume can even be brought up in the same sentence as ours. As far as I am concerned, the NCAA wasted their money developing the NET ranking system. Unless, of course, their objective was to boost members of the Power conferences, in which case well done. gabriel and BC1764 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Lord Elrond said: Unless, of course, their objective was to boost members of the Power conferences, in which case well done. winner! that's all it was ever about. the mids figured out how to beat the rpi, so they had to do something. the hell with letting the lowly mvc and A-10 get 4 or 5 teams in "their" tourney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 I think they have a formula & stick with it ignoring how results don't match the eye test. Proverbial insanity=doing same failed routine 4ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compton Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 hour ago, gabriel said: I'm probably beating a dead horse, but I can't get over how much of a joke the NET rankings are. The Bradley Braves at ranked 10 points higher than the Saint Louis Billikens. I want to hear a possible logical explanation that says Bradley's resume can even be brought up in the same sentence as ours. The NET system automatically moves you up 10 pots if you beat SIUE. MattyMo213 and brianstl like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Compton said: The NET system automatically moves you up 10 pots if you beat SIUE. Only if you beat them by 50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Updated NET through games of 1/25/23: VCU 72, Dayton 75, SLU 86. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 The Valley Sucks and gabriel like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 19 hours ago, gabriel said: I'm probably beating a dead horse, but I can't get over how much of a joke the NET rankings are. The Bradley Braves at ranked 10 points higher than the Saint Louis Billikens. I want to hear a possible logical explanation that says Bradley's resume can even be brought up in the same sentence as ours. I have written about this in numerous threads since the NET was developed. It is a relatively inefficient model that was developed to assist with team selection for March Madness. It is a full data model. This means it can only operate correctly when it has a full set of data (in March). In December, when it comes out, it is a joke. Two coin tosses in December that both come up tails and the NET would say 100% chance for a tails toss in March. Even though in Dec, it varies widely from my model (as well as others ) it finally starts to come together in March at about 80-85%. Unfortunately , SLU is a frequent flyer in that 15-20%(10-20 teams) zone almost every year. This is exactly what the NCAA wants. A model that is somewhat in the ballpark so the NCAA can come in and fix things ...er uh....i.e correct the AI inefficiency with the all seeing and understanding human intelligence and touch. I would say the NCAA is happy right now with the way things are working out. Well, what about the December inefficiency ? ...what about making Colgate a top 10 team? What about what the fans think? The NCAA thinks it is all good for fan interest and that in March it will in its wisdom always make things right. JMM28 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 In ‘22 an NCAA Tournament unit was estimated to be worth $338,887 (per game played). This week the NET transfers 3 NCAA at large bids to the Power 5, for a total redistribution of $1,016,661 minimum, if those 3 at large bid teams play and lose only 1 NCAA game. The NET also makes intra-Power 5 transfers, primarily to the Big XII and Big Ten, primarily from the ACC, but that is of minimal concern here, other than the ACC would have standing to object, at least this year could be a powerful ally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 For my two cents, you can pick whatever formula you want. The inequity is that conferences outside of the P6 need the chance to schedule more impact games with P6 opponents. (Q1 games as an example of impact games). SLU got 3 P6 games this season, VCU 3 and Dayton 3 also. All 3 of SLU's and Dayton's P6 games currently are Q1. None of VCU's games are Q1. The margin of error is extremely slim. Second, you have to perform, you have to win. Today, the entire A10 is 3-24 in all Q1 games, including in conference games and non-P6 games. That just doesn't cut it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Bay Area Billiken said: In ‘22 an NCAA Tournament unit was estimated to be worth $338,887 (per game played). This week the NET transfers 3 NCAA at large bids to the Power 5, for a total redistribution of $1,016,661 minimum, if those 3 at large bid teams play and lose only 1 NCAA game. The NET also makes intra-Power 5 transfers, primarily to the Big XII and Big Ten, primarily from the ACC, but that is of minimal concern here, other than the ACC would have standing to object, at least this year could be a powerful ally. Each unit is worth $2,033,322. It is paid out over six years at $338,887 per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Thus, the net effect of the NET is $6+ Million. We can call the NET The Six (6.1) Million Dollar Metric. Fraz likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SLU_Lax Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, slubillikens43 said: Oooof. That’s probably the ugliest look I’ve ever seen for the NET and it already was ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVBilliken Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Interesting how 2 ranking systems can be so different. Rankings as of today. SLU RPI Ranking ........ 41 SLU NET Ranking ....... 89 Can a computer geek out there explain this huge difference? Oh, and KENPOM has SLU at 80. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 19 minutes ago, WVBilliken said: Interesting how 2 ranking systems can be so different. Rankings as of today. SLU RPI Ranking ........ 41 SLU NET Ranking ....... 89 Can a computer geek out there explain this huge difference? Oh, and KENPOM has SLU at 80. not a geek, but i have long suspected the net was intentionally set up to retard the mid major and promote the power conferences. so credit the programming to accomplish that task. it isnt a mistake it was done intentionally. who knew when the likes of the MVC figured out the formula and did what was needed to maximize the conference bids it would receive would lead to this "corruption" by the ncaa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtside Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 KenPom, roughly speaking, measures efficiency in 3 categories. offense, defense, tempo. Offense is points per 100 possessions vs the average. Defense is points given up per 100 possessions vs the average. Tempo is defined as number of possessions per game. Possessions=Field Goals attempted, minus offensive rebounds. Plus turnovers. Plus free throws attempted. Stats are based on per 100 possessions. Currently SLU is 47 in offensive efficiency. SLU is 147 in defensive efficiency. SLU is 103 in the above mentioned Tempo. Other things are measured, such as luck factor, schedule, both in and out of conference. SLU’s non-conference schedule is currently 59. SLU is 59 in luck factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 hours ago, billiken_roy said: not a geek, but i have long suspected the net was intentionally set up to retard the mid major and promote the power conferences. so credit the programming to accomplish that task. it isnt a mistake it was done intentionally. who knew when the likes of the MVC figured out the formula and did what was needed to maximize the conference bids it would receive would lead to this "corruption" by the ncaa. As of today, the NET transfers 2 NCAA At Large bids to the Power 5 vis-a-vis the RPI, the ratings metric formerly used by the NCAA. One of those transferred NCAA at large bids is SLU’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Updated NET: Dayton 67, VCU 81, SLU 85. Pomeroy: Dayton 59, VCU 78, SLU 79. RPI: SLU 39, VCU 59, George Mason 95, Fordham 100, UMass 102, Dayton 103. While the NET is the metric now used by the NCAA, and the NET and Pomeroy are considered advanced, what a disparity exists for SLU with those two metrics compared to the RPI, the metric formerly used by the NCAA and still used in Soccer and Baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Dayton moves up 6 spots in the NET with their drubbing of Richmond. Dayton at 67 with 0 Q1 or 2 wins and 3 Q3 losses is laugh out loud funny. EDIT: looks like one of Dayton’s wins has moved to a Q2 win. Now 1-5 in Q 1&2. VCU’s home loss to the Bonnies drops them 11 spots. We need to start stepping on some necks out there if we want to move up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettJollyComedyHour Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 22 minutes ago, Bay Area Billiken said: Updated NET: Dayton 67, VCU 81, SLU 85. Pomeroy: Dayton 59, VCU 78, SLU 79. RPI: SLU 39, VCU 59, George Mason 95, Fordham 100, UMass 102, Dayton 103. While the NET is the metric now used by the NCAA, and the NET and Pomeroy are considered advanced, what a disparity exists for SLU with those two metrics compared to the RPI, the metric formerly used by the NCAA and still used in Soccer and Baseball. This just tells me NET and Pomeroy are trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 59 minutes ago, BrettJollyComedyHour said: This just tells me NET and Pomeroy are trash. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 FWIW, with wins by Boise, Maryland, and Murray yesterday, we moved from 72 to 70 on Sagarin. Fordham is at 139 so using Sagarin we should be favored by 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Bay Area Billiken said: Updated NET: Dayton 67, VCU 81, SLU 85. Pomeroy: Dayton 59, VCU 78, SLU 79. RPI: SLU 39, VCU 59, George Mason 95, Fordham 100, UMass 102, Dayton 103. While the NET is the metric now used by the NCAA, and the NET and Pomeroy are considered advanced, what a disparity exists for SLU with those two metrics compared to the RPI, the metric formerly used by the NCAA and still used in Soccer and Baseball. Thanks for saving me some searches. Just keep taking care of business men! Friday should be awesome! And who’s joining me in Dayton?!?! brianstl likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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