Bills By 40 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 First NET rankings of the season debuted today and they're, well...not good. https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings SLU debuts at 56th, 6 spots behind Iona and only one and two spots, respectively, above Boise State and Drake. Mizzou - with the third worst SOS in the nation and only one 4-point OT Q2 win - debuts at 34th. The A10 as a whole is in terrible shape which puts a major emphasis on these next three games: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wgstl Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 This ranking is so stupid until February, in which it still has its flaws. There are so many complete head scratchers right now. Also just very disappointing. Matty Light likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 I'm glad you started this thread so we can keep it as a teachable moment. I think you'll be amazed at how dramatically different these rankings look 60 days from now. Early on, a couple of blowout wins or an undefeated record skew the rankings when there are so few data points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: I'm glad you started this thread so we can keep it as a teachable moment. I think you'll be amazed at how dramatically different these rankings look 60 days from now. Early on, a couple of blowout wins or an undefeated record skew the rankings when there are so few data points. I'm glad you are right. The A-10 looks like a D2 league right now. unclecarl likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSluBills Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 It seems like the NET and Kenpom equate each other as we get closer to the end of the season- so I wouldn't take much stock in these initial rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted December 5, 2022 Author Share Posted December 5, 2022 17 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: I'm glad you started this thread so we can keep it as a teachable moment. I think you'll be amazed at how dramatically different these rankings look 60 days from now. Early on, a couple of blowout wins or an undefeated record skew the rankings when there are so few data points. The thread is for us to b!tch about now and track the movement throughout the season. Both valid reasons to start a thread. Fraz likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Here is our Team Sheet: Q1 0-2, Q2 1-0, Q3 3-0, Q4 2-0 Q1 - L to Maryland (N) and L at Auburn Q2 - W Memphis Q3 - W Murray State, W (N) Providence, and W SIUC Q4 - W Evansville and W TN State Just win and everything takes care of itself. (And coming in third from dead last, Louisville Cardinals.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGRick Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, JettFlight5 said: I'm glad you are right. The A-10 looks like a D2 league right now. 2 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Here is our Team Sheet: Q1 0-2, Q2 1-0, Q3 3-0, Q4 2-0 Q1 - L to Maryland (N) and L at Auburn Q2 - W Memphis Q3 - W Murray State, W (N) Providence, and W SICU Q4 - W Evansville and W TN State Just win and everything takes care of itself. Nice to have no bad losses. That will help come march. Lost to 2 clear tournament teams, and one passed the eye test. This won't be a year to go 11-7 in the A-10 and think we'll be in consideration though. Only 4 or 5 conference games on our schedule will be Q1-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 In Pomeroy, SLU is 41, Dayton 62, VCU 101. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 I do expect these individual A10 rankings to change wildly from now to February and especially by the end of the season. What worries me, however, is that there isn't as much time left for the A-10 to improve the rankings in aggregate. All A-10 teams have played between 7 and 9 games so far. I'm assuming that means they've got anywhere from 3 to 6 games left on their non-conference schedules. SLU has played 9 and has 4 left. Once non-conference play is over, there is very little A-10 can do to improve the league's ranking as a whole. The only movement would come from how nonconference opponents fare the rest of the season. As A-10 teams beat up on each other during conference play, one team goes up and another goes down, but as a whole it doesn't change. This is very bad for SLU because they are ahead of the pack by a good margin and in the NCAA bubble range so any slips losing or underperforming against lower ranked teams could cause them to miss the tournament. Next 3 games are huge for establishing SLU as a firm NCAA team so that the inevitable stinker or 2 during A10 play won't sink our NCAA at-large hopes. BC1764, wgstl and unclecarl like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 minute ago, RUBillsFan said: I do expect these individual A10 rankings to change wildly from now to February and especially by the end of the season. What worries me, however, is that there isn't as much time left for the A-10 to improve the rankings in aggregate. All A-10 teams have played between 7 and 9 games so far. I'm assuming that means they've got anywhere from 3 to 6 games left on their non-conference schedules. SLU has played 9 and has 4 left. Once non-conference play is over, there is very little A-10 can do to improve the league's ranking as a whole. The only movement would come from how nonconference opponents fare the rest of the season. As A-10 teams beat up on each other during conference play, one team goes up and another goes down, but as a whole it doesn't change. This is very bad for SLU because they are ahead of the pack by a good margin and in the NCAA bubble range so any slips losing or underperforming against lower ranked teams could cause them to miss the tournament. Next 3 games are huge for establishing SLU as a firm NCAA team so that the inevitable stinker or 2 during A10 play won't sink our NCAA at-large hopes. yep. at this point we absolutely need to win out the rest of ooc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, wgstl said: yep. at this point we absolutely need to win out the rest of ooc. I don't think 1 more loss is fatal to at-large hopes, but right now it probably means we have to go 15-3 or better in A-10 play which seems highly unlikely. What really sucks is that this shouldn't be the case. At the beginning of the season, if you told me SLU went 10-3 in non-conference, that's probably what I would have expected & would assume they're in good shape for an NCAA bid. Most of the rest of the expected top half A-10 teams (Dayton, VCU, Loyola, Davidson, Richmond, Mason, Rhody) all underperforming has killed SLU's margin for error despite SLU pretty much being as expected as far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 At the end of the day, the non-conference determines whether you need to finish first in the conference to get an at-large. We're the only A10 team that has an opportunity to get in at-large without finishing first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 How does the American look on the Net rankings? Better? Update: Found it, there are 4 teams in the top 100. Maybe when they get depleted, we should jump over as a basketball only option? unclecarl likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 4 hours ago, AnkielBreakers said: How does the American look on the Net rankings? Better? Yes. They have Houston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compton Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 2 hours ago, wgstl said: This ranking is so stupid until February, in which it still has its flaws. There are so many complete head scratchers right now. Also just very disappointing. Agreed. It kind of starts to come into focus once non-conference is completed around Jan. 1. But before then it makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Bills By 40 said: The thread is for us to b!tch about now and track the movement throughout the season. Both valid reasons to start a thread. Not sure we needed a new thread to ***** about on this site, but I will celebrate this new addition! Ratings like this are their most worthless at this point in the season. Need to see more real games played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLIKNS Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Latest CBS Sports App RPI has SLU #10 Auburn # 6 Maryland #8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 A10 has dipped significantly to #14 Conference NET, per the Conference NET at warrennolan.com. That is not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon-Balls Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Seems like the NET is doing precisely what it was designed and intended to do. Are any of us really surprised? We need to get out of the A10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Interestingly enough, the Ivy League is #13… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 7 hours ago, GoSluBills said: It seems like the NET and Kenpom equate each other as we get closer to the end of the season- so I wouldn't take much stock in these initial rankings. The rankings given by every system/model will differ the most at the beginning of the season, but by the end of the season they should be reasonably close to one another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Spoon-Balls said: Seems like the NET is doing precisely what it was designed and intended to do. Are any of us really surprised? We need to get out of the A10. Where? slufanskip likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said: Where? Exactly. We’d all like to get to the Big East. There really is no other option. But maybe we let the net ranking work itself out first. They aren’t selecting at large teams today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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