Bay Area Billiken Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 A secondary factor was the timeouts called by SLU players on the floor, one by Perkins, one by Hargrove against the Auburn press. SLU had only 1 timeout left at crunch time, none to quell the late Auburn run with the decision to save it until absolutely needed. Perhaps you can burn one, but not two. cgeldmacher, willie and billiken_roy like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 The difference between last year and this years expections thus far. forrester is no where near ML. Parker is but a deep bench role player(as of now) perkins is 60%. Perkins needs to be at 80% to be a significant gain. More Fred and THJ until Parker and Perkins shows progress imo. Very least fred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, BillsBeliever!!! said: Yuri makes the and one and Okoro makes 2 FTs to ice the Providence win: crickets We have one off day at the line: Fords fault!! I hear you. Good but not great affects different fans different ways. Today's game could have been a program changing win. It was the only such opportunity on the schedule. That's usually the deal every year -- our team only gets 1-2 chances a year at a program changing win. To this point, only the Majerus-coached teams have been able to pull it off. We've had average teams pull off humongous upsets. But a good Billiken team beating a ranked team? It almost never happens in these parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Just now, 3star_recruit said: I hear you. Good but not great affects different people different ways. Today's game could have been a program changing win. It was the only such opportunity on the schedule. That's usually the deal every year -- our team only gets 1-2 chances a year at a program changing win. To this point, only the Majerus-coached teams have been able to pull it off. We've had average teams pull off humongous upsets. But a good Billiken team beating a ranked team? It almost never happens in these parts. It hasn’t happened in the last 17 attempts. 0-17. Considering we’ve had decent to good squads for much of the last five years, that’s almost impossible to believe. I guess that’s just nobody’s fault. Couldn’t be Ford’s. Ford wouldn’t get nearly as much benefit of the doubt if he had directly followed Majerus. Yes, the Crews years were terrible, but it’s been six years. It’s ok to expect more, Bills fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Holly Hills Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Not having an ML type really hurts because yuri was so good on that pick and roll too. Not the same with forrester and fumble fingers Okora. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 The player that should be getting more positive talk after today is pickett. I was a big "show me" guy concerning javon when he first became a billiken this year. Thus far he's been very good. He probably did more than anyone else to keep us in the game today. He's been a great asset to the Billiken's so far. Schasz, Tonka, CenHudDude and 4 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 That is a very very very disappointing loss. This one is going to sting for awhile. That said I feel better about this team now than I did 24 hours ago. This was their toughest game of the season and they should have won. Learn from it, move on, and sweep the rest of the non con. David King and cgeldmacher like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 50 minutes ago, gobillsgo said: What did he say that was false? I didn’t see him say they missed FTs because of Ford. It’s also easy to pick out the Ford apologists on this board. I don’t classify myself as a Ford hater, but my patience is wearing very thin with the inability to get over the hump. Huh, better question did you read what he said??? He said the players performance was a reflection on Ford’s leadership… so I will ask you, are you agreeing that the team going 1 for 11 from the line in the 2nd half is Ford’s fault? The over the top reactions to a loss on this board are insane…. slufanskip likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikenbooster Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Things are never as bad as it seems after a loss, and never as good as it seems after a win. dlarry likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said: Huh, better question did you read what he said??? He said the players performance was a reflection on Ford’s leadership… so I will ask you, are you agreeing that the team going 1 for 11 from the line in the 2nd half is Ford’s fault? The over the top reactions to a loss on this board are insane…. Nope read what he said again and get back to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquinas Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, gobillsgo said: It hasn’t happened in the last 17 attempts. 0-17. Considering we’ve had decent to good squads for much of the last five years, that’s almost impossible to believe. I guess that’s just nobody’s fault. Couldn’t be Ford’s. Ford wouldn’t get nearly as much benefit of the doubt if he had directly followed Majerus. Yes, the Crews years were terrible, but it’s been six years. It’s ok to expect more, Bills fans. I think hanging this one on Ford is ridiculous. We had a top 25 team on the ropes, on their floor. Our veteran guys missed key free-throws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 The only reason I can think of for the awful free throw results in the second half is the incredible level of noise the fans were making. They missed, period, this had nothing to do with Ford I am pretty sure of this. This was a tough game with lots of physical contact under the basket. It is true that Okoro, Yuri, and Forrester caused 11 out of the 12 TOs we had in the game. Auburn also had 12 TOs. We were even in this regard, probably beacuse of the high physical contact level in this game. If Ford bad mouthed Okoro, and Forrester, not Yuri (I did not hear what he said) this was wrong in my opinion. Billikenbooster to quote Napoleon: "Victory has many fathers, Defeat is an orphan." Or, like you said "things are never as bad as it seems after a loss, and never as good as it seems after a win." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, gobillsgo said: Nope read what he said again and get back to me. You must enjoy making a fool of yourself, here is Brian’s quote… How a group of young men consistently react in high pressure, high stakes situations is almost always a direct reflection of the leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 35 minutes ago, dlarry said: That is a very very very disappointing loss. This one is going to sting for awhile. That said I feel better about this team now than I did 24 hours ago. This was their toughest game of the season and they should have won. Learn from it, move on, and sweep the rest of the non con. I’m less upset about this loss than the Maryland loss. We’re so close to getting over that hump. FTs lost this game, not Ford, but blowing late leads sure has been way too common under Ford. We still have a decent chance at heading into conference play at 11-2 with both losses coming against ranked teams. Finish the non-con strong, get Perkins up to 85%+, Parker more comfortable, and let’s dominate what now seems to be a pretty week A10. David King and CenHudDude like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, Billikenbooster said: Things are never as bad as it seems after a loss, and never as good as it seems after a win. That sure feels like the case so often. I actually feel better about this team today than I did a week ago. While we did make plays in the Providence game, I thought that was one we kind of stole. So I found myself not as high after that win as I assume others were. Although that was a day after an ass kicking, so maybe nobody was overly high after that win. After the loss today, I felt like we were the better team throughout (I struggle to see Auburn being a top #15 team at this point in the season), but just didn't make plays in the final 5 minutes and had a historically bad effort from the free throw line from a team that has shot it really well from the line. Leaves me shaking my head as far as how did we lose that one, but overall I feel better about the team than I did a week ago. I feel like Yuri kind of stole us the Providence game and didn't have the magic today (in the final few minutes he missed a contested pull up, had his shot blocked leading to a runout dunk, and missed a quick pull up 3 in the game determining possessions). I would say on paper we are likely where I expected us to be, but as far as play on the court we are not as good as I was hoping. Our current Pomeroy ranking of #45 feels right. The hope for me is that Perkins continues to recover and we have that added threat come the conference season. As a fan, this really has to be the season. Dr. Holly Hills and Billikenbooster like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 20 minutes ago, Slu let the dogs out? said: I’m less upset about this loss than the Maryland loss. We’re so close to getting over that hump. FTs lost this game, not Ford, but blowing late leads sure has been way too common under Ford. We still have a decent chance at heading into conference play at 11-2 with both losses coming against ranked teams. Finish the non-con strong, get Perkins up to 85%+, Parker more comfortable, and let’s dominate what now seems to be a pretty week A10. I kind of chalked the Maryland game up to a bad day at the office. They happen. The Bills just did it in incredible fashion. This one bothers me because we should have won. We are on the same page with everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, dlarry said: I kind of chalked the Maryland game up to a bad day at the office. They happen. The Bills just did it in incredible fashion. This one bothers me because we should have won. We are on the same page with everything else. You’re right, I should be more upset with this loss than the Maryland loss. Perhaps I’ve just finally hit stage 5 of the Kübler-Ross model when it comes to having the lead on good teams with less than 10 minutes to play. dlarry likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David King Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 If this team can continue to play at the same level on defense as today, they will play in the Big Dance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Old guy said: I did see Yuri slowing the return when we were ahead towards the end of the game. I do not know if this was Yuri or Ford but that plus the free throws that cost us the game. Look at the play by play. Our last eight possessions, from basically the 4 minute mark on down, were 17 sec, 19 sec, 29 sec, 17 sec, 15 sec, 7 sec, 10 sec, and 4 sec. Auburn was pressing full court. Then they played aggressive defense. Where is this 'slow down' you speak of? I assume you are referring to the one 29 sec set. Please refresh me on exactly what went down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Aquinas said: I think hanging this one on Ford is ridiculous. We had a top 25 team on the ropes, on their floor. Our veteran guys missed key free-throws. I’m not hanging this one on Ford. I’m pointing out that we have routinely failed to take the next step as a program under Ford. Hopefully we can turn this season around, if not, questions should be asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 1 hour ago, BIG BILL FAN said: You must enjoy making a fool of yourself, here is Brian’s quote… How a group of young men consistently react in high pressure, high stakes situations is almost always a direct reflection of the leader. If I’m a fool what does that make you? Reading comprehension clearly isn’t your strong suit. Where in that post does it blame Ford for this loss? It seems like a reflection on Ford’s tenure and our performance in big games. I don’t see anyone blaming Ford for missed free throws in this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Let’s not forget these men can now get paid mega $$$ and should not be immune from criticism. They collectively sucked a$$ at the free throw line today. Also Ford’s teams have chronically underperformed in big games. Both can be true BC1764 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, gobillsgo said: If I’m a fool what does that make you? Reading comprehension clearly isn’t your strong suit. Where in that post does it blame Ford for this loss? It seems like a reflection on Ford’s tenure and our performance in big games. I don’t see anyone blaming Ford for missed free throws in this game. I guess I was giving you a credit for a brain and being able to think…let me help, isn’t shooting ft’s part of performance in big games???? Again, you must delight in embarrassing yourself…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said: I guess I was giving you a credit for a brain and being able to think…let me help, isn’t shooting ft’s part of performance in big games???? Again, you must delight in embarrassing yourself…. I see I’m talking to a stone wall here, so I’ll spare the rest of the board from reading this worthless argument, and log off for the night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 1 minute ago, gobillsgo said: I see I’m talking to a stone wall here, so I’ll spare the rest of the board from reading this worthless argument, and log off for the night. would have been better had you just not responded and refrain from this worthless argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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