The Wiz Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Opening games are always tough ...at least when it comes to spreads. There is no real data but there are lots of changes especially in the case of Murray St. All teams go through changes from one year to the next but M St exceeds. Here is what things look like for State...3 major changes...New roster ...new coach....new league. New roster....Here we spell change with a capital C. The Racers have only 2 players who return from last year's roster....only 1 with significant minutes ...Burns..he comes in with good numbers. after that we are looking at 7 transfers (4 of which are D1) plus 5 freshman.. If they are to do anything this year they will have to gel and do it quickly. New Coach...Last year's coach left for LSU. After that most of the team scattered. The good news is the new coach is the old coach...ie the predecessor of last year's coach. Steve Prohm who was the coach at M St from 2011 -15...then went Iowa St...His combined record in the last 10 years at the 2 schools was 201-124....He knows how to win. New league...The Mo Valley is a step up from the OVC. This shouldn't be a problem as Prohm was in the B12 with ISU. Still, new teams , new venues , new traveling arrangement...there will be a learning curve. What We Need 2 Do 2 Win (WWN2D2W)...The Bills come into this game as a B+ team. Murray St arrives with a B- rating. For all the change concerns listed above MSU is not to be taken lightly. Burns is the key player with 6.3 rebs /gm and is a 58% shooter from the field. Contain him and we win. MSU has not gelled yet ...pressure them and they will make mistakes. The Bills are shooting team ...we need to be a shot making team.....Target slash...50/40/70 Bottom line... This game will be a good test...The Bills are the better team...Better players ...better shooters ...better depth..and more gelled. However, MSU has a coach who knows how to win and players who have potential AND they are just good enough that if we are off our game they could rise up and bite us. As for the 12 pt spread...use that as a measuring stick... 10-14 and we are on target. Above 14 and we are looking good....below 10 and we have more work to do. We should /need to win this game....Let's Race to victory ...GO BILLS Young Charles, BuiltFordBills, AlumniFan and 4 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenHudDude Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Thanks for staying up to the wee hours to give us this line and analysis Wiz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 I am in full agreement Wiz, I kept on posting in another thread that the game against Murray St. could not be considered a cake walk, that it could be harder to win than it appeared. I am glad to read your post above which confirms what I had posted before in the other thread. I do hope Perkins is fully recovered and capable of playing as he did before, even if it takes some time to get there this season. I also think your post, emphasizing that MS new coach knows how to win, presents a stark but left unmentioned (in your post) comparison with Ford. Ford is a great recruiter but apparently does not know or is uncertain about how to win games even when he has a significant advantage at the half. Dr. Holly Hills likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 IT HAS BEEN CLEARLY ESTABLISHED THAT FORD CANT COACH, SO COULD WE LET THAT REST UNTIL THE BILLIKENS LOSE A FEW GAMES AND THEN START THE FORD CANT COACH POST THEN? slufanskip, Bills71 and CenHudDude like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, Old guy said: I am in full agreement Wiz, I kept on posting in another thread that the game against Murray St. could not be considered a cake walk, that it could be harder to win than it appeared. I am glad to read your post above which confirms what I had posted before in the other thread. I do hope Perkins is fully recovered and capable of playing as he did before, even if it takes some time to get there this season. I also think your post, emphasizing that MS new coach knows how to win, presents a stark but left unmentioned (in your post) comparison with Ford. Ford is a great recruiter but apparently does not know or is uncertain about how to win games even when he has a significant advantage at the half. Old Guy, your criticism of Ford not knowing or uncertain about how to win games is belied by his winning record in the Big 12 and A 10. Maybe you should stick to medical issues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Old guy said: I am in full agreement Wiz, I kept on posting in another thread that the game against Murray St. could not be considered a cake walk, that it could be harder to win than it appeared. I am glad to read your post above which confirms what I had posted before in the other thread. I do hope Perkins is fully recovered and capable of playing as he did before, even if it takes some time to get there this season. I also think your post, emphasizing that MS new coach knows how to win, presents a stark but left unmentioned (in your post) comparison with Ford. Ford is a great recruiter but apparently does not know or is uncertain about how to win games even when he has a significant advantage at the half. I guess he did not win at EU or UMass either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 3 hours ago, bauman said: Old Guy, your criticism of Ford not knowing or uncertain about how to win games is belied by his winning record in the Big 12 and A 10. Maybe you should stick to medical issues! I don’t have the problems that Old Gut appears to have with Ford, but he actually had a losing record in Big 12 games. He is well above .500 in A10 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 22 hours ago, bauman said: Old Guy, your criticism of Ford not knowing or uncertain about how to win games is belied by his winning record in the Big 12 and A 10. Maybe you should stick to medical issues! I’d take medical advice from Kermit the Frog before I’d take advice from old guy. Cue the 4 paragraph response from old guy with an in depth explanation about the inability of frogs to be Doctors Fraz, AlumniFan, rgbilliken and 4 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, brianstl said: I don’t have the problems that Old Gut appears to have with Ford, but he actually had a losing record in Big 12 games. He is well above .500 in A10 games. Actually, his record at OKSt was 155-111, which is what I was referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 8 hours ago, Old guy said: I am in full agreement Wiz, I kept on posting in another thread that the game against Murray St. could not be considered a cake walk, that it could be harder to win than it appeared. I am glad to read your post above which confirms what I had posted before in the other thread. I do hope Perkins is fully recovered and capable of playing as he did before, even if it takes some time to get there this season. I also think your post, emphasizing that MS new coach knows how to win, presents a stark but left unmentioned (in your post) comparison with Ford. Ford is a great recruiter but apparently does not know or is uncertain about how to win games even when he has a significant advantage at the half. Gonna be a tough battle with Murray. They’ll be jacking lots of threes and it sounds like they have guys who can make them. With there being doubts about Javonte’s availability, this could be a nail-biter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Sounds like at least a couple of our guys are under the weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Holly Hills Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Scoop said: Sounds like at least a couple of our guys are under the weather. Oh yea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 If they are returning one player who saw minutes last season I’m thinking we should run circles around them with our continuity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 8 hours ago, Dr. Holly Hills said: Oh yea? Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Murray State is a good team to start the season no cupcake that is a regional team we have heard of. SLU will be fine the team is improved from last season and has a lot of experience including players such as Forrester and Pickett that were added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gobillsgo Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 33 minutes ago, NoCoBillsFan said: Nope. Don’t like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, gobillsgo said: Nope. Don’t like that I am sure the coach doesn't want to give anything away to the opponent. If you say a player is out sick then the other coach can alter his game plan. Keep them guessing is what is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Yeah doesn’t sound healthy. Most likely Perkins hasn’t fully recovered from his ankle injury. I’m praying it ain’t Yurimania. He’s the straw that stirs the drink and while Ford has praised Legend Jr, does anyone think he’s ready to carry that load? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 What cheeseman said. Coachspeak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 The issue that is strange is that, as per Stu, Ford said "the health of the team could be better." From my medical point of view that means there are possibly several players that are not doing well in the team. It really does not matter who it is that is unwell, what matters is that possibly several players have whatever it is at the same time. Cheeseman may well be correct about the reasons for Ford not mentioning names. I think you should offer to arrange a consultation with Kermit the Frig, sulfanskip. dennis_w and billikenbill like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 40 minutes ago, Old guy said: The issue that is strange is that, as per Stu, Ford said "the health of the team could be better." From my medical point of view that means there are possibly several players that are not doing well in the team. It really does not matter who it is that is unwell, what matters is that possibly several players have whatever it is at the same time. Cheeseman may well be correct about the reasons for Ford not mentioning names. I think you should offer to arrange a consultation with Kermit the Frig, sulfanskip. Old guy stays undefeated. BuiltFordBills, Zink and Bills By 40 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 OMG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Hollywood couldn't write a better character if they tried. Never change, OG. I predict a 40 point margin of victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 34 minutes ago, gobillsgo said: Old guy stays undefeated. Mexican ice cubes again? Damn that stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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