slu72 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Any D1 team that had a backup PG that can cover effectively for their starter has a luxury option. Good PGs are rare and will normally find a starting role somewhere. Point being, as Taj Mahal 79 pointed out, we’re probably with the majority of teams in all of D1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 1 hour ago, cgeldmacher said: I totally agree. I just don't think that concern should be based on a few minutes of time that Thatch was at PG during the UMSL game when we were clearly trying to force the ball inside to get our bigs some work. If you were concerned about it before Monday, or not, Monday should not have done much for your opinion. I think most of us that have expressed concern were also concerned about it last year, when our offense ground to a stop any time Yuri was out of the game. Or when we got stomped on our own floor vs Northern Iowa in the NIT when Yuri didn’t play. Hopefully with the return of Perkins, addition of Parker, and further development of Jimerson, our offense won’t be quite as reliant on Yuri’s playmaking. We’ve definitely got some guys who can create their own offense. SLU_Nick likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 20 minutes ago, gobillsgo said: I think most of us that have expressed concern were also concerned about it last year, when our offense ground to a stop any time Yuri was out of the game. Or when we got stomped on our own floor vs Northern Iowa in the NIT when Yuri didn’t play. Hopefully with the return of Perkins, addition of Parker, and further development of Jimerson, our offense won’t be quite as reliant on Yuri’s playmaking. We’ve definitely got some guys who can create their own offense. Our offense doesn't exactly run well with Yuri either. I honestly think he's a great passer, but sometimes I question his ability as a conductor of the offense. billiken_roy, Young Charles and Old guy like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 35 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: Our offense doesn't exactly run well with Yuri either. I honestly think he's a great passer, but sometimes I question his ability as a conductor of the offense. I think he definitely tries to do too much at times. And lack of knockdown shooters outside of Jimerson last year really clogged things up in the middle, where Yuri thrives. Hopefully having some more shooters on the floor opens things up a little bit. we also have struggled in the half court over the past few years, while looking very good when we run. Too many times Yuri was dribbling around for 20 seconds only for us to have to force something with the shot clock expiring. Our roster construction just seems to work better when we play in transition. Teams will obviously try to slow us down, so I hope we see some more pressing this year. We have the athletes and the depth to really play quickly. billiken_roy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy II Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 -one Yuri related item from the UMSL game, we need to be careful that opponents don't start to deny Yuri receiving the outlet pass as it looked on Monday that was our only option, I hope we have options to take a few dribbles if Yuri is covered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 22 hours ago, gobillsgo said: I think most of us that have expressed concern were also concerned about it last year, when our offense ground to a stop any time Yuri was out of the game. Or when we got stomped on our own floor vs Northern Iowa in the NIT when Yuri didn’t play. Hopefully with the return of Perkins, addition of Parker, and further development of Jimerson, our offense won’t be quite as reliant on Yuri’s playmaking. We’ve definitely got some guys who can create their own offense. Yes. I was one of those expressing concern. I thought that we should have picked up a grad transfer PG. My concern hasn't changed based on what I saw on Monday. I'm still hopeful that Thatch can be effective in that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 23 hours ago, billikenfan05 said: Our offense doesn't exactly run well with Yuri either. I honestly think he's a great passer, but sometimes I question his ability as a conductor of the offense. Prime example is watching him try to run a high PnR with Okoro against a team that is clearly playing zone defense. Some of that might be on Ford, but I expect a PG as well regarded as Yuri to be smarter than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 2 hours ago, cgeldmacher said: Yes. I was one of those expressing concern. I thought that we should have picked up a grad transfer PG. My concern hasn't changed based on what I saw on Monday. I'm still hopeful that Thatch can be effective in that role. I hate to harp on it, but Phil Russell would’ve been such a good fit on last year’s and this year’s teams. Can’t blame him for seeking out more PT though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 23 minutes ago, gobillsgo said: I hate to harp on it, but Phil Russell would’ve been such a good fit on last year’s and this year’s teams. Can’t blame him for seeking out more PT though. I also think Demarius Jacobs would have been nice to have around for one more year, but I understand him seeking greener pastures. His departure wouldn't have been a big deal, but the Perkins injury put added pressure on every position last year and tested our depth. AGB91 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 4 hours ago, cgeldmacher said: Yes. I was one of those expressing concern. I thought that we should have picked up a grad transfer PG. My concern hasn't changed based on what I saw on Monday. I'm still hopeful that Thatch can be effective in that role. I’m not concerned at all. I think people are forgetting how good Perkins is at creating his own shot. Thatch may be the point guard when Collins is out, but Perkins is going to control the ball in the half court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Nick Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 I have not seen anything from Thatch that suggests he could be a back up point guard. I get nervous when he dribbles that ball up the court on the open fast break. Yuri needs to play 37 mins a game. Hope he stays upright. SLUMedBilliken15 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Don’t stress out about the backup point guard, either we won’t need it or it will be a mess. I like Thatch and our guys, just hard to replace Yuri. I don’t know why Travis doesn’t always have two or even three PGs on the team. Why not an offer to Rob Martin, etc. It is probably just harder to recruit than we think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I’ve solved it. yuri doesn’t play until 6 min in, that way he finishes out every game. Compton likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenHudDude Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 9 hours ago, wgstl said: I’ve solved it. yuri doesn’t play until 6 min in, that way he finishes out every game. What would the score of our average game be at the six minute mark? Anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 10 hours ago, wgstl said: I’ve solved it. yuri doesn’t play until 6 min in, that way he finishes out every game. It is not that crazy of an idea. We could start off with a really mean defensive approach. Focus on throwing off the other team. Then boom! Also, as much as we worry about the backup point guard, the job will be: 1) get the ball across the half court line, 2) get the ball to Perkins/Parker/Gibson off a screen, and 3) return to (2) if we get an offensive rebound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Yuri was not the starting PG in the UMSL game, I think Thames was. Not sure how long he played but at the very beginning of the game UMSL was, I believe 4 pts to 0 for SLU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy II Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, Old guy said: Yuri was not the starting PG in the UMSL game, I think Thames was. Not sure how long he played but at the very beginning of the game UMSL was, I believe 4 pts to 0 for SLU. -the box score indicates your thought is not correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, Old guy said: Yuri was not the starting PG in the UMSL game, I think Thames was. Not sure how long he played but at the very beginning of the game UMSL was, I believe 4 pts to 0 for SLU. Incorrect. https://www.statbroadcast.com/events/archived.php?id=428237&view=YmFza2V0YmFsbC9zYi5iYmdhbWUucHJpbnQuZXh0cHhwMS54c2w= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGB91 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Yuri started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 He not only started, he got the loudest applause at the introductions. Maybe Old guy got to the game late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 54 minutes ago, White Pelican said: He not only started, he got the loudest applause at the introductions. Maybe Old guy got to the game late. one of many possible Old Guy excuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Valley Sucks Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Old guy said: Yuri was not the starting PG in the UMSL game, I think Thames was. Not sure how long he played but at the very beginning of the game UMSL was, I believe 4 pts to 0 for SLU. Is this a real post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 14 hours ago, AnkielBreakers said: Don’t stress out about the backup point guard, either we won’t need it or it will be a mess. I like Thatch and our guys, just hard to replace Yuri. I don’t know why Travis doesn’t always have two or even three PGs on the team. Why not an offer to Rob Martin, etc. It is probably just harder to recruit than we think. Read Taj Mahal's post on PG's in the A10. Not many, if any, of our conference opponents have really capable backup PG's. UD's gonna be struggleing to fill in for Smith. If Loyer goes down, then Davidson will probably struggle as well. I choose not to bring up the dreaded I word where Yurimania is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 minute ago, The Valley Sucks said: Is this a real post? Could be Old Guy's plugging himself for Guy's job. Or could it be Old Guy is in fact Guy? BuiltFordBills, billiken_roy, thetorch and 3 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 19 minutes ago, slu72 said: Could be Old Guy's plugging himself for Guy's job. Or could it be Old Guy is in fact Guy? That is an intriguing thought........ billiken_roy and White Pelican like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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