Compton Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, dennis_w said: sports played a big role in saving lindenwood from bankruptcy Where exactly does the "big role in saving from bankruptcy" money come from? There is negligible attendance and broadcast revenue for DI hockey, DII basketball and football, and every other sport. With even the "revenue sports" widely reported as being money pits for all but the highest achieving DI programs/conferences, I'm just curious where exactly the money comes from. Donors? Athletes lured by small scholarships that are actually net contributors to the balance sheet? Relying on your HOCKEY and football programs to bail out your school somehow doesn't add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARon Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 On 9/9/2022 at 7:09 AM, cheeseman said: I am not an expert on this but as I understand it Lindenwood has made great amounts of money off of granting small schollies for every sport or quasi sport you can imagine and getting kids to come because of that thus paying up for the difference. They also have a lot of adjuncts as opposed to full time professors as well as requiring their teachers to recruit students for their classes especially in the graduate program areas. I know of a few adjuncts there who have told me some of this. Also, endowments usually have restrictions for what they can be spent for and often only allow for the income they produce to be spent - makes sense to me if you want to ensure that your large gift keeps giving for what you intended. Finally, they have a very aggressive cost savings approach that should be lauded but the profit is not necessarily put back in the school to keep costs down but to pay the people at the top. I am open to being educated if anything I said is substantially wrong. This has been Lindenwood's whole growth strategy since Spellman left and they moved away from being a stodgy conservative Presbyterian college. Seems like it is working though you can't help but wondering financially what happens long term. FWIW I think SLU's strategy to focus on becoming a major research university is a better fit. The $ it would take to actually matter in college football is just too high and the system is set up to prevent anyone new really becoming a player. If college hockey as a whole grows into something even close to a revenue sport (unlikely) that might be more practical. bauman and billiken_roy like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dennis_w Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 28 minutes ago, Compton said: Where exactly does the "big role in saving from bankruptcy" money come from? There is negligible attendance and broadcast revenue for DI hockey, DII basketball and football, and every other sport. With even the "revenue sports" widely reported as being money pits for all but the highest achieving DI programs/conferences, I'm just curious where exactly the money comes from. Donors? Athletes lured by small scholarships that are actually net contributors to the balance sheet? Relying on your HOCKEY and football programs to bail out your school somehow doesn't add up. typically athletes would get a reduction in tuition, the scholly part and then would pay room and board fees, keeping the dorms full and making the food service profitable or at least not a loser.m the school gets a bunch of students who want to play sports that otherwise would maybe not choose lindenwood, their tuition would be greatly reduced and the dorms wouldnt lose money. happens in a lot of small schools Box and Won likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 25 minutes ago, ARon said: This has been Lindenwood's whole growth strategy since Shipley left and they moved away from being a stodgy conservative Presbyterian college. Seems like it is working though you can't help but wondering financially what happens long term. FWIW I think SLU's strategy to focus on becoming a major research university is a better fit. The $ it would take to actually matter in college football is just too high and the system is set up to prevent anyone new really becoming a player. If college hockey as a whole grows into something even close to a revenue sport (unlikely) that might be more practical. lindenwood was looking to shut down and sell its assets roughly 40 years ago and they turned it around using this strategy, looks like it worked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, dennis_w said: lindenwood was looking to shut down and sell its assets roughly 40 years ago and they turned it around using this strategy, looks like it worked Lindenwood, actually expects their professors to teach and not just put out politically biased research papers.....they have been a model in how to run an educational institution..... AGB91 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Quote The $ it would take to actually matter in college football is just too high and the system is set up to prevent anyone new really becoming a player. That doesn't apply to FCS. Lindenwood can become good fairly quickly particularly in the OVC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 And before anyone mentions NDSU..... Montana State, an 8th seed, got to the championship game last season. That will never, ever happen at the FBS level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy II Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 -the president who saved LU was Dennis Spellman who had a strategy to get government schollies for as many kids as possible, that's where the sports programs expanded and football was created -LU has had a stadium to host football for many years before the school had a team, the football Cardinals had training camp there in the 70's -I understand Rammer doing these games, he has to put food on the table, but if Rammer misses a SLU game for LU that would be stinky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) The Rams had some scrimmages there as well. Hunter is home to some of the best satellite football camps in the country. Edited September 9, 2022 by Davis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 6 hours ago, WVBilliken said: Didn't know this .... Lindenwood University is a private university in St. Charles, Missouri. Founded in 1827 by George Champlin Sibley and Mary Easton Sibley as The Lindenwood School for Girls, it is the second-oldest higher-education institution west of the Mississippi River. & first west of Mississippi?? rgbilliken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, almaman said: & first west of Mississippi?? SLU is the oldest higher education institution west of the Mississippi, Lindenwood is second oldest (1818 for SLU, 1827 for Lindenwood) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 just testing u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, almaman said: just testing u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARon Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 On 9/9/2022 at 11:47 AM, BIG BILL FAN said: Lindenwood, actually expects their professors to teach and not just put out politically biased research papers.....they have been a model in how to run an educational institution..... I've attended a Lindenwood commencement ceremony and I'll just say that any notion that LU is politics-free is extraordinarily false. Fun fact, Spellman once lamented that the female student body sat outside their dorms like a "bunch of harlots". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 24 minutes ago, ARon said: I've attended a Lindenwood commencement ceremony and I'll just say that any notion that LU is politics-free is extraordinarily false. Fun fact, Spellman once lamented that the female student body sat outside their dorms like a "bunch of harlots". I never said they were free of politics, I pointed out that they have to actually teach students to receive a paycheck…. Oh, and as for Dennis Spellman, he was known for his honesty… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Understand that Rammer’s call of the blocked punt that led to Lindenwood’s last second victory was, “Bang, he blocked it!” thetorch likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 It was their first victory over an FCS opponent since September 2011 when they defeated Northern Colorado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Holly Hills Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 On 9/9/2022 at 11:08 AM, Box and Won said: I thoroughly dislike this commercial: Da fuuu….??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 not as bad as the Muffy type 2 stepping x tennis court to vaguely non caucasian hunk with 2 bottles of some beer, hurts typing it eeech bauman and sluforward like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WUH Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 On 9/9/2022 at 12:59 PM, Cowboy II said: -the president who saved LU was Dennis Spellman who had a strategy to get government schollies for as many kids as possible, that's where the sports programs expanded and football was created Among other strategies... Spellman was the president of Tarkio College when it got shut down after conducting financial aid fraud for many years and had to pay back millions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 33 minutes ago, WUH said: Spellman was the president of Tarkio College when it got shut down after conducting financial aid fraud for many years and had to pay back millions. He went one toke over the line there from what i've heard. WUH and billikenbill like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 Well….. https://lindenwoodlions.com/news/2022/11/3/mens-basketball-basketball-broadcast-team-set-for-inaugural-division-i-season.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettJollyComedyHour Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Brighton said: Well….. https://lindenwoodlions.com/news/2022/11/3/mens-basketball-basketball-broadcast-team-set-for-inaugural-division-i-season.aspx Wut? Hopefully they're able to pull double duty for SLU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Brighton said: Well….. https://lindenwoodlions.com/news/2022/11/3/mens-basketball-basketball-broadcast-team-set-for-inaugural-division-i-season.aspx Uhhhhhhhhh It looks like Rammer and Earl will only be doing home games for Lindenwood but.... How are we allowing this? Why are we allowing this? I know they are both alums but Rammer and Earl are really a brand for SLU Athletics. Now they do games for another college 30 miles away??? Is this just a one season thing? Can't see any circumstance where the optics on this are good for Billiken Athletics. BrettJollyComedyHour likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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