thetorch Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 I wrote a thread. It is rather long but there was a bunch of interesting stuff that happened in that nightmare of a season. Enjoy RUBillsFan, brianstl, JMM28 and 5 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikenswin Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Many of us lived through this bad season with all of its problems. 30 years ago! On the brink of a highly anticipated new season with a very nice team with great team culture, why attempt to stir up controversy. Steve, lets deep six this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Band Legend Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 How does this stir up any controversy- it's just Billiken history. I don't think Torch is saying everything is going to go wrong this year. MusicCityBilliken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 That was the first time in as many years when I thought Grawer had lost his way and needed to be replaced. Getting to the NCAAs in ‘87 and holding on to Upchurch would’ve cemented his legacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Big step up in level of play that year and he didnt know robinson and stewart would go off the rails. ryan grant got injured and what would have been i decent season turned into a disaster. billiken_roy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David King Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Great thread! I had forgotten about a lot of this. Fortunately for Spoon, Grawer brought in Highmark and Claggett as parting gifts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 2 hours ago, dennis_w said: Big step up in level of play that year and he didnt know robinson and stewart would go off the rails. ryan grant got injured and what would have been i decent season turned into a disaster. lot of talent with 10 cent brains and character. CBFan and dennis_w like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 11 hours ago, thetorch said: I wrote a thread. It is rather long but there was a bunch of interesting stuff that happened in that nightmare of a season. Enjoy Brings back a lot of memories. I don't agree with Billikenswins. If anything it makes me appreciate our current administration that much more. Thanks for doing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Torch, excellent thread. Brought back all the memories. And yes, we are light years away from that lack of commitment from the administration. Let's go Bills! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Imagine if the board and social media had been around during the season ticket debacle and the season itself. Hoo boy. JMM28 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted August 30, 2022 Author Share Posted August 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Box and Won said: Imagine if the board and social media had been around during the season ticket debacle and the season itself. Hoo boy. I could have done a whole thread on the ticket thing. Crazy thing I didn't put in was Yow gave a huge print interview in the weekend Post Dispatch magazine, several pages, just a week before the ticket debacle broke. She was way too candid in the interview, talked about Biondi, Grawer, and the worse part at the time, her having an abortion when she was younger. SLU was livid, and then a few days later she would completely botch season tickets for the biggest sport. Can't imagine how many donations and gifts that SLU lost in that one week. Spoon was her saving grace. If she had hired anybody but him, who could be the face of the athletic department Biondi would have fired her before the 92-93 school year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted August 30, 2022 Author Share Posted August 30, 2022 5 hours ago, willie said: Brings back a lot of memories. I don't agree with Billikenswins. If anything it makes me appreciate our current administration that much more. Thanks for doing this. Some of us dislike the hush hush nature of the Athletic Department but take a look at how Yow, Grawer, Winfield & Biondi aired their grievances in public and that was just the way things were done. It made it that much easier for the media at the time to pile on. Its like night and day now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 7 hours ago, David King said: Great thread! I had forgotten about a lot of this. Fortunately for Spoon, Grawer brought in Highmark and Claggett as parting gifts. Well Claggs and Highmark were gone. Spoon was lucky that he was able to convince them to stay. David King likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 33 minutes ago, thetorch said: Some of us dislike the hush hush nature of the Athletic Department but take a look at how Yow, Grawer, Winfield & Biondi aired their grievances in public and that was just the way things were done. It made it that much easier for the media at the time to pile on. Its like night and day now. Some of those quotes were bananas, like Grawer's comments on the assistant coach who was not retained. You don't see too many quotes like that nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlow Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Even though Grawer was plagued at the end with players loaded with problems, he saved this program from extinction. He took on a program that was dead in the water and went to two NITs. CBFan, AGB91, stmdragons and 2 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy II Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 53 minutes ago, thetorch said: I could have done a whole thread on the ticket thing. Crazy thing I didn't put in was Yow gave a huge print interview in the weekend Post Dispatch magazine, several pages, just a week before the ticket debacle broke. She was way too candid in the interview, talked about Biondi, Grawer, and the worse part at the time, her having an abortion when she was younger. SLU was livid, and then a few days later she would completely botch season tickets for the biggest sport. Can't imagine how many donations and gifts that SLU lost in that one week. Spoon was her saving grace. If she had hired anybody but him, who could be the face of the athletic department Biondi would have fired her before the 92-93 school year. -perhaps you will one day, would likely read like some sort of comedy/tragedy of errors -who has an idea as to when Billiken Club Priorty Points started? I guess they were not around at that time or if they were I need to wait for that thread as to why they weren't used for seat location priority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 No surprise that a Mac Irvin kid would quit mid game. They still run the program that way. And teach their kids that way... AGB91 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted August 30, 2022 Author Share Posted August 30, 2022 49 minutes ago, Cowboy II said: -perhaps you will one day, would likely read like some sort of comedy/tragedy of errors -who has an idea as to when Billiken Club Priorty Points started? I guess they were not around at that time or if they were I need to wait for that thread as to why they weren't used for seat location priority As part of the background when the big donors complained about where their seats were and why weren't seats awarded on the basis of longevity Yow claimed that there were no records and blamed the previous ticket manager and AD. The previous AD then went to the Post and told them right where the list was in Yow's office and it became a war of words between him, his ticket manager, Yow and her ticket manager. The points system was introduced shortly thereafter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Cowboy II said: -perhaps you will one day, would likely read like some sort of comedy/tragedy of errors -who has an idea as to when Billiken Club Priorty Points started? I guess they were not around at that time or if they were I need to wait for that thread as to why they weren't used for seat location priority I am going to guess around 95-96. The Billiken Club was formed to take over the Tip-Off club. The Athletic Department wanted to control the money. There was some resistance from the Club but gave in. The NCAA eventually would have doomed the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 got screwed on seating with that debacle, never got any answers, but did get crappy seats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share Posted August 31, 2022 2 hours ago, dennis_w said: got screwed on seating with that debacle, never got any answers, but did get crappy seats It was a fiasco. We were in the arena for 3 years and everyone complained about their seats. I was a lucky one, we had terrible seats at kiel stuck in the middle of the mezzanine right before the overhang began in the corner. Impossible to see the game. At the Arena we scored Sec 121 row C. Bought those seats when they were tearing down the Arena they are sitting in my garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 8 hours ago, thetorch said: It was a fiasco. We were in the arena for 3 years and everyone complained about their seats. I was a lucky one, we had terrible seats at kiel stuck in the middle of the mezzanine right before the overhang began in the corner. Impossible to see the game. At the Arena we scored Sec 121 row C. Bought those seats when they were tearing down the Arena they are sitting in my garage. The explanation for what happened with the seat assignment process was that Yow said that she did not understand - not sure why - that those who sat in the lower section of Kiel were the bigger fish and that those who sat higher up were not when in actuality the best viewing seats at Kiel were the higher up ones. Many of us choose to sit higher up for just that reason. She also thought that giving companies first choice was going to raise more money and apparently was how it was done at places she had been. The group formed to study formed by the school to find out what happened ultimately produced the above findings. It wounded Yow and ultimately led to her leaving. If anything I just wrote is not accurate others can correct me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, cheeseman said: The explanation for what happened with the seat assignment process was that Yow said that she did not understand - not sure why - that those who sat in the lower section of Kiel were the bigger fish and that those who sat higher up were not when in actuality the best viewing seats at Kiel were the higher up ones. Many of us choose to sit higher up for just that reason. She also thought that giving companies first choice was going to raise more money and apparently was how it was done at places she had been. The group formed to study formed by the school to find out what happened ultimately produced the above findings. It wounded Yow and ultimately led to her leaving. If anything I just wrote is not accurate others can correct me. You are spot on. Also the old guard of boosters at the time were very supportive of Grawer, who had feuded with Yow her first year. She was trying to build a base of financial support apart from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 @thetorch I just can't believe you'd be so arrogant as to come here to promote your own Twitter thread thetorch and JMM28 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 2 hours ago, cheeseman said: The explanation for what happened with the seat assignment process was that Yow said that she did not understand - not sure why - that those who sat in the lower section of Kiel were the bigger fish and that those who sat higher up were not when in actuality the best viewing seats at Kiel were the higher up ones. Many of us choose to sit higher up for just that reason. She also thought that giving companies first choice was going to raise more money and apparently was how it was done at places she had been. The group formed to study formed by the school to find out what happened ultimately produced the above findings. It wounded Yow and ultimately led to her leaving. If anything I just wrote is not accurate others can correct me. we sat in the upper seats on the end line above the basket, had those seats for years best place to watch. ended up at the arena in an almost unwatchable seat cheeseman likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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