kmbilliken Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 From watching the games I don’t understand why Bess and Warren don’t get more playing time. Are they injured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 They need to do something to mix it up, what they’ve been doing hasn’t been working. Three games they were up with under 2 minutes to play they lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, BrettJollyComedyHour said: The only one that has made any impression so far is Kyla McMakin. Edit: and she's a senior With her usage rate she doesn't impress me. A lot of players could score a lot more points than she does with the amount of shots she is taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, BrettJollyComedyHour said: The only one that has made any impression so far is Kyla McMakin. Edit: and she's a senior Double post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 46 minutes ago, BrettJollyComedyHour said: May specifically said he wants the women's program to compete consistently in the NCAA Tournament (we can discuss why this is unrealistic given the achievement gap in WBB) but a win/results now mentality to me feels like she has 2 to 3 at max. May painted himself into a corner. I don't think he would give her only 3 years, and certainly not just 2. And yes, I think he has stuck his neck out with that NCAA wish, especially the "consistent" part. Of course, there's always wiggle room for what constitutes "consistent". Let's face it, they've NEVER been there. I think most people would say Lisa Stone was the best women's BB coach SLU ever had. And even she couldn't get it done in I think 9(?) seasons. I get that May wanted a younger, upcoming coach, someone with a different approach and message, someone who could get the recruiting back on track. If this new coach stumbles and the program is set back, that's on him. I don't think she'll get 9 seasons unless things go really well. But she does need time to reset things. slufanskip likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettJollyComedyHour Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, White Pelican said: I don't think he would give her only 3 years, and certainly not just 2. And yes, I think he has stuck his neck out with that NCAA wish, especially the "consistent" part. Of course, there's always wiggle room for what constitutes "consistent". Let's face it, they've NEVER been there. I think most people would say Lisa Stone was the best women's BB coach SLU ever had. And even she couldn't get it done in I think 9(?) seasons. I get that May wanted a younger, upcoming coach, someone with a different approach and message, someone who could get the recruiting back on track. If this new coach stumbles and the program is set back, that's on him. I don't think she'll get 9 seasons unless things go really well. But she does need time to reset things. My issue, though, is that he definitely made the change with a "win now" mentality and definitely did not, in my mind, mean for a potential 3 to 4 year rebuild to happen. He saw 1 year of NCAA success in Coach Tillett and hired her. Again, it hasn't been a full season, but I don't like what I've seen so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, thetorch said: With her usage rate she doesn't impress me. A lot of players could score a lot more points than she does with the amount of shots she is taking. She’s about as efficient as Ciaja was. Better from 3 a little worse from 2. Without doing the math, I’d guess her points per shot is slightly better as she shoots a greater percentage better from 3 than Ciaja shoots better than her from 2. With that said she’s not played a conference schedule yet, so we will see if it holds, gets worse, or improves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 not sure what everyone expected with a spring takeover of the program. she missed out on early recruiting, she ended up taking transfers from her old school to fill out the roster. the program had to compete inside of the athletic department for the now crucial NiH money and we all know that whatever pennies were available likely went to the men's program. to expect "win now" imo was/is naive. i'm not her number one fan, but my gosh folks, let's be realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettJollyComedyHour Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: to expect "win now" imo was/is naive. I definitely never expected it, but the AD certainly hinted they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Kyla McMakin this year, FG 45-121, .372, 3pt 16-45 .348 Caija Harrison last year, FG 160-401, .399, 3pt 31-101, .307 Harbison was a little better on FG, but worse on 3 pt shooting by more. I’ll call it even so far. The real problem is we were a losing team last year and a losing team this year, so I would say the problem both seasons has been elsewhere than the shooting guard position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Chris May quoted in the news release announcing Lisa Stone’s departure: “Women's basketball is a critically important program at SLU," May said. "Our goal is to play in the NCAA Women's Basketball Championship regularly. This is a great job in women's college basketball, and our program is well positioned for sustainable, long-term success with Chaifetz Arena and, in the very near future, the O'Loughlin Family Champions Center.” So yeah, that’s the goal for Coach Tillett. Not sure that means this year, but she’s expected to take us to the NCAA’s regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkieBilliken Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Halftime in Fort Myers. Yikes we are really poor. Baylor is very good and we have had women’s teams that are talent limited. But so far, they just aren’t competing very hard. They will very likely play Belmont tomorrow so I’m hoping for a better effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Exactly. Nothing wrong with such a goal in a few years, but as you said, there was nothing said the Lady Billiken's are expected to be in the elite 8 this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: Exactly. Nothing wrong with such a goal in a few years, but as you said, there was nothing said the Lady Billiken's are expected to be in the elite 8 this year. It would have been nice if they could have managed to sign one player in the early signing period. The lack of any recruits at this point is what has me worried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkieBilliken Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Listening to the Baylor radio broadcast here in Ft Myers. They are pretty critical of SLU letting them do whatever they want on offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Final, Baylor 92, SLU 58. Looks like the subs got a lot of playing time when things got out of hand. 3-25 from 3pt line. Mia Nicastro’s stat line in the box score looked good, 5-8, 7 rebounds (4 ORB) for 12 points in 20 minutes, Peyton Kennedy 5-12, 5 rebounds for 11 points in 19 minutes. Julia Martinez led starters with 8 rebounds, Brooke Flowers was 5-8, 13 points and 5 rebounds. Neither McMakin nor Clegg had good stat lines in the box score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 30 minutes ago, Lord Elrond said: Final, Baylor 92, SLU 58. Looks like the subs got a lot of playing time when things got out of hand. 3-25 from 3pt line. Mia Nicastro’s stat line in the box score looked good, 5-8, 7 rebounds (4 ORB) for 12 points in 20 minutes, Peyton Kennedy 5-12, 5 rebounds for 11 points in 19 minutes. Julia Martinez led starters with 8 rebounds, Brooke Flowers was 5-8, 13 points and 5 rebounds. Neither McMakin nor Clegg had good stat lines in the box score. geez 3-25? quit shooting 3's! brooke flowers only 5 rebounds? i thought that was her strength? wth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 I know Women's BB doesn't drive the bus, but for all of us wanting an invite to the Beast, Baylor is like a mid-level Big East team this year so if that invite would ever occur then we would have a lot of work to do in WBB. Reading May's statement on this hiring make me think about a recruiting item. As he has to do at this point to satisfy donors to the family Champions Center, May mentions what a tool the Center will be to upgrade our recruiting. Sorry but I just don't see it. To me it is a nice facility to have but will not cause recruits to pick SLU over competitors. Prior year rankings, coaching staffs and yes NIL will be what recruits are attracted to not a nice Center to hang out in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 from my viewpoint in today's sports world, i would bet a lot that the biggest (if not the only thing) that will drive recruiting is this NiL b.s. D-1 college sports is over as we all knew and loved it. to defend Chris May's statement, i believe the court decision to make the NiL stuff all legal was not out yet when the Family Champions Center was announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, bauman said: I know Women's BB doesn't drive the bus, but for all of us wanting an invite to the Beast, Baylor is like a mid-level Big East team this year so if that invite would ever occur then we would have a lot of work to do in WBB. Reading May's statement on this hiring make me think about a recruiting item. As he has to do at this point to satisfy donors to the family Champions Center, May mentions what a tool the Center will be to upgrade our recruiting. Sorry but I just don't see it. To me it is a nice facility to have but will not cause recruits to pick SLU over competitors. Prior year rankings, coaching staffs and yes NIL will be what recruits are attracted to not a nice Center to hang out in. NIL and Champions Center are not mutually exclusive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: from my viewpoint in today's sports world, i would bet a lot that the biggest (if not the only thing) that will drive recruiting is this NiL b.s. D-1 college sports is over as we all knew and loved it. to defend Chris May's statement, i believe the court decision to make the NiL stuff all legal was not out yet when the Family Champions Center was announced. Roy, just to be clear, I am not critical of May's comments about the Center. He is saying what needs to be said, I just think he is overstating the recruiting impact of the facility. While I agree with you that NIL is going to have a negative impact on college sports, I think there will be many recruits who will not be of the quality to get that type of incentive. What bugs me the most in watching games is the constant need of announcers to have to explain where player X transferred from. Elimination of the one year sit out rule is destroying the team concept. What we have now is just a bunch of free agents shopping themselves and thereby leaving their former school to have to rebuild willie likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, cheeseman said: NIL and Champions Center are not mutually exclusive Of course they are not, and I never said they are. Both can have an impact but the Center will not be a deciding factor to 17 year old athletes looking at where to accept a scholarship from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 55 minutes ago, bauman said: Roy, just to be clear, I am not critical of May's comments about the Center. He is saying what needs to be said, I just think he is overstating the recruiting impact of the facility. While I agree with you that NIL is going to have a negative impact on college sports, I think there will be many recruits who will not be of the quality to get that type of incentive. What bugs me the most in watching games is the constant need of announcers to have to explain where player X transferred from. Elimination of the one year sit out rule is destroying the team concept. What we have now is just a bunch of free agents shopping themselves and thereby leaving their former school to have to rebuild i bet he no longer is saying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 10 hours ago, billiken_roy said: Give Tillet 4 years. She deserves the chance to clean house abd bring in her own roster Now that said this new NCAA nil b.s. and transfer rules might make that impossible and truthfully if that is the case, no coach is gonna succeed at Saint Louis University women's bball ever again. I keep hoping that this NiL is a short term try. But in all likelihood it's here to stay. The big schools have money machines. We do not. Absolutely disagree. NIL is not going to impact women’s sports in a way close to men’s. Unless you’re the Olivia Dunne or the Cavinder twins making bank on Instagram. My biggest critique of Tillett so far is the disparity in athleticism between Flowers/Martinez/returning Stone players and anyone she brought from Longwood. I am not optimistic they will be able to hang in the a10, physically speaking. McMakins numbers may be similar to Ciaja but the shot selection is some of the absolute worst I’ve ever seen. It really highlights her misses when she takes contested turn around 30 footers. RUBillsFan likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: McMakins numbers may be similar to Ciaja but the shot selection is some of the absolute worst I’ve ever seen. It really highlights her misses when she takes contested turn around 30 footers. McMakins (and Clegg for that matter) both seem to be streaky players, they are either on or they are off. More consistency is needed, or awareness that when they aren’t hitting someone else needs to take the shots. In today’s game, McMakin was 2-14 in FG, 1-6 3pters, 7 total points, Clegg was 2-11, 1-8 3pters, 5 total points. When they are on they are really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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