almaman Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 add him to list of highly regarded TF recruits doing time in juco after being on signed, &/or on the roster. Gordon, JBJ, seems like some others. weird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliesBy40 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 1 hour ago, almaman said: add him to list of highly regarded TF recruits doing time in juco after being on signed, &/or on the roster. Gordon, JBJ, seems like some others. weird Strickland was not a highly regarded recruit FYI SLUMedBilliken15 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 I just remember reading articles like this between Pitfall postings when he signed. https://bustingbrackets.com/2020/09/04/saint-louis-basketball-analyzing-newcomers-2020-21-roster/4/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Bills By 40 said: Moving down to JUCO really surprised me. Huge disappointment for someone with so much talent but on the other hand he will be annihilating juco competition. Think it's just a one year stint to improve his prospects? If he had decent offers he wouldn't be going to Juco. Much more likely is that your analysis was just wrong. HoosierPal likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Not a lot of D1 schools are looking for a guy who can dunk and not much else. Go down to a JUCO and learn to play basketball. bauman and cgeldmacher like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Only reason he's going to JUCO is because of grades. Much like Jimmy Bell, he's already been at SLU two seasons. Scholastically this is a step backwards and means he is not a sophomore credit wise. JMM28 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compton Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 6 hours ago, almaman said: add him to list of highly regarded TF recruits doing time in juco after being on signed, &/or on the roster. Gordon, JBJ, seems like some others. weird The "seems like some others" includes Madani Diarra, but similar to Markhi, he wasn't a "highly regarded recruit." Gordon might be the only one that went from truly "highly regarded" to Juco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Another former Billiken going the downgrade route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUMedBilliken15 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, Taj79 said: Another former Billiken going the downgrade route. Do you really expect a billiken who honestly didn't play at SLU to be "upgraded?" Bills By 40, slufan13, cgeldmacher and 4 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Players 11-13 at a program must step down before they step up again. That's true for pretty much any program in America. BilliesBy40, cgeldmacher, CenHudDude and 3 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 @SLUMedBilliken15: I really did. I thought somewhere along the line, someone is going somewhere good. I really though it would be Gordon. But DePaul, Southwestern Florida JUCO and then Grambling really suck. Then I thought it might be Nesbitt. Hampton? Give me a break! That just seems to be our SLU legacy. Neither here no there but no one goes upwards from this program. Ever. I do get that players 11 thru 13 are not going up anywhere but have to go down in order to try out once again. And especially try out in todays day and age of open transfers and transfer portal. If you are not playing for the "JayVee squad" you certainly aren't going up to p[lay with the big boys. I will watch with great interest to see if Jimmy Bell even sniffs the floor dat West Virginia. Right now, what do we know? Ford plays eight guys. Let's see .... 1) Collins. 2) Perkins. 3) Okoro. 4) Jimerson. 5) Thatch. 6) Hargrove. 7) Pickett. 8)Parker. Seems to me we are full up but the roster composition doesn't look good (to me) right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Taj79 said: @SLUMedBilliken15: I really did. I thought somewhere along the line, someone is going somewhere good. I really though it would be Gordon. But DePaul, Southwestern Florida JUCO and then Grambling really suck. Then I thought it might be Nesbitt. Hampton? Give me a break! That just seems to be our SLU legacy. Neither here no there but no one goes upwards from this program. Ever. I do get that players 11 thru 13 are not going up anywhere but have to go down in order to try out once again. And especially try out in todays day and age of open transfers and transfer portal. If you are not playing for the "JayVee squad" you certainly aren't going up to p[lay with the big boys. I will watch with great interest to see if Jimmy Bell even sniffs the floor dat West Virginia. Right now, what do we know? Ford plays eight guys. Let's see .... 1) Collins. 2) Perkins. 3) Okoro. 4) Jimerson. 5) Thatch. 6) Hargrove. 7) Pickett. 8)Parker. Seems to me we are full up but the roster composition doesn't look good (to me) right now. rarely will you see the 4th-6th best players transfer up on a team that finished in the 60's like we did, or have been. Also I fully expect JBJ to not only play, but log a decent amount of minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 50 minutes ago, Taj79 said: @SLUMedBilliken15: I really did. I thought somewhere along the line, someone is going somewhere good. I really though it would be Gordon. But DePaul, Southwestern Florida JUCO and then Grambling really suck. Then I thought it might be Nesbitt. Hampton? Give me a break! That just seems to be our SLU legacy. Neither here no there but no one goes upwards from this program. Ever. I do get that players 11 thru 13 are not going up anywhere but have to go down in order to try out once again. And especially try out in todays day and age of open transfers and transfer portal. If you are not playing for the "JayVee squad" you certainly aren't going up to p[lay with the big boys. I will watch with great interest to see if Jimmy Bell even sniffs the floor dat West Virginia. Right now, what do we know? Ford plays eight guys. Let's see .... 1) Collins. 2) Perkins. 3) Okoro. 4) Jimerson. 5) Thatch. 6) Hargrove. 7) Pickett. 8)Parker. Seems to me we are full up but the roster composition doesn't look good (to me) right now. There have been a few like Julian Winfield that improved conferences. Notice how careful I was when stating what he improved on, lol. I like the roster you listed but Ford has to add a couple bigs otherwise there will be some match up problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOC Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Taj79 said: @SLUMedBilliken15: I really did. I thought somewhere along the line, someone is going somewhere good. I really though it would be Gordon. But DePaul, Southwestern Florida JUCO and then Grambling really suck. Then I thought it might be Nesbitt. Hampton? Give me a break! That just seems to be our SLU legacy. Neither here no there but no one goes upwards from this program. Ever. I do get that players 11 thru 13 are not going up anywhere but have to go down in order to try out once again. And especially try out in todays day and age of open transfers and transfer portal. If you are not playing for the "JayVee squad" you certainly aren't going up to p[lay with the big boys. I will watch with great interest to see if Jimmy Bell even sniffs the floor dat West Virginia. Right now, what do we know? Ford plays eight guys. Let's see .... 1) Collins. 2) Perkins. 3) Okoro. 4) Jimerson. 5) Thatch. 6) Hargrove. 7) Pickett. 8)Parker. Seems to me we are full up but the roster composition doesn't look good (to me) right now. Yuri went up for a week. Several of our players could have moved up. It's a credit to Ford and staff that none have. ACE and Billiken Rich like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Taj79 said: @SLUMedBilliken15: I really did. I thought somewhere along the line, someone is going somewhere good. I really though it would be Gordon. But DePaul, Southwestern Florida JUCO and then Grambling really suck. Then I thought it might be Nesbitt. Hampton? Give me a break! That just seems to be our SLU legacy. Neither here no there but no one goes upwards from this program. Ever. I do get that players 11 thru 13 are not going up anywhere but have to go down in order to try out once again. And especially try out in todays day and age of open transfers and transfer portal. If you are not playing for the "JayVee squad" you certainly aren't going up to p[lay with the big boys. I will watch with great interest to see if Jimmy Bell even sniffs the floor dat West Virginia. Right now, what do we know? Ford plays eight guys. Let's see .... 1) Collins. 2) Perkins. 3) Okoro. 4) Jimerson. 5) Thatch. 6) Hargrove. 7) Pickett. 8)Parker. Seems to me we are full up but the roster composition doesn't look good (to me) right now. but taj, nesbit didnt get the right look imo. now we know he was somewhat a bad teamate and gave ford the reason to more or less not give him highlight time, but still nesbit is better than hampton. gordon was a known headcase. he did it to himself. hell we were hearing the stories of him beating up freshmen teamates his junior year of high school. ford was wrong to even mess with that poison. and i am sure the other gordon teams all believed they could change him as well. not going to happen. as to the look of the roster, our fellow mbm's on the main board think this roster is nba finals ready. i just shake my head. lot of decent individual parts but this is the most disjointed roster since rickma's all star teams. imo ford has a problem. hope i am wrong. Old guy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Taj79 said: @SLUMedBilliken15: I really did. I thought somewhere along the line, someone is going somewhere good. I really though it would be Gordon. But DePaul, Southwestern Florida JUCO and then Grambling really suck. Then I thought it might be Nesbitt. Hampton? Give me a break! That just seems to be our SLU legacy. Neither here no there but no one goes upwards from this program. Ever. I do get that players 11 thru 13 are not going up anywhere but have to go down in order to try out once again. And especially try out in todays day and age of open transfers and transfer portal. If you are not playing for the "JayVee squad" you certainly aren't going up to p[lay with the big boys. I will watch with great interest to see if Jimmy Bell even sniffs the floor dat West Virginia. Right now, what do we know? Ford plays eight guys. Let's see .... 1) Collins. 2) Perkins. 3) Okoro. 4) Jimerson. 5) Thatch. 6) Hargrove. 7) Pickett. 8)Parker. Seems to me we are full up but the roster composition doesn't look good (to me) right now. Why do you want players leaving SLU to be going "upward"? That seems like a strange thing to be worrying about. In fact, I'm happy to see the players leaving go "downward", but maybe that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 50 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: but taj, nesbit didnt get the right look imo. now we know he was somewhat a bad teamate and gave ford the reason to more or less not give him highlight time, but still nesbit is better than hampton. gordon was a known headcase. he did it to himself. hell we were hearing the stories of him beating up freshmen teamates his junior year of high school. ford was wrong to even mess with that poison. and i am sure the other gordon teams all believed they could change him as well. not going to happen. as to the look of the roster, our fellow mbm's on the main board think this roster is nba finals ready. i just shake my head. lot of decent individual parts but this is the most disjointed roster since rickma's all star teams. imo ford has a problem. hope i am wrong. If your definition of Ricma's rosters is disjointed, give me more of that...please! stmdragons likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Taj79 said: @SLUMedBilliken15: I really did. I thought somewhere along the line, someone is going somewhere good. I really though it would be Gordon. But DePaul, Southwestern Florida JUCO and then Grambling really suck. Then I thought it might be Nesbitt. Hampton? Give me a break! That just seems to be our SLU legacy. Neither here no there but no one goes upwards from this program. Ever. I do get that players 11 thru 13 are not going up anywhere but have to go down in order to try out once again. And especially try out in todays day and age of open transfers and transfer portal. If you are not playing for the "JayVee squad" you certainly aren't going up to p[lay with the big boys. I will watch with great interest to see if Jimmy Bell even sniffs the floor dat West Virginia. Right now, what do we know? Ford plays eight guys. Let's see .... 1) Collins. 2) Perkins. 3) Okoro. 4) Jimerson. 5) Thatch. 6) Hargrove. 7) Pickett. 8)Parker. Seems to me we are full up but the roster composition doesn't look good (to me) right now. The teams above us don't want our bench players. They also don't want the guys who are talented but erratic. They want our stars. If you want one of our players to move up, you're rooting for one of our top 3 players to leave. SLUMedBilliken15 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 2 hours ago, DOC said: Yuri went up for a week. Several of our players could have moved up. It's a credit to Ford and staff that none have. In addition, I'm also happy to see local players who had SLU offers but originally signed elsewhere, wind up transferring to programs way below SLU... Kobe Clark, Kasubke, Mario McKinney as recent examples. BuiltFordBills likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Disjointed……lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 57 minutes ago, ACE said: If your definition of Ricma's rosters is disjointed, give me more of that...please! Three consecutive NCAA Tournaments, but disjointed. K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 23 hours ago, thetorch said: Only reason he's going to JUCO is because of grades. Much like Jimmy Bell, he's already been at SLU two seasons. Scholastically this is a step backwards and means he is not a sophomore credit wise. This is a good point. What is going on that guys are transferring to JUCOs after 2 years here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOSLU68 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 hour ago, 3star_recruit said: The teams above us don't want our bench players. They also don't want the guys who are talented but erratic. They want our stars. If you want one of our players to move up, you're rooting for one of our top 3 players to leave. Don’t you realize coaches don’t feature guys you are not cutting it in the classroom and who will never graduate from SLU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 All right. Let me try to clarify what I'm trying to say .... if I can. I am surprised with the amount or number of guys that come and occupy a spot on our roster and are given athletic scholarships to play basketball, and then don't play basketball. And when they leave, they go to crap places. Lesser teams in lesser conferences. or even down to the JUCO level. I actually get that with Bell and Strickland ---- they couldn't showcase here so they are going down an entire school level to play and get noticed and return triumphant. Or something like that. I'm okay with that. I guess overall I am questioning the quality and basketball ability these guys do not have yet they sit on our bench for extended periods of time. The list is nearly incredulous ..... KC Hankton, Madani Diarra, Dustin McGuire, Anthony Mitchell, Ingvi Gudmuindsson, Andre Lorentsson, Markhi Strickland, Grandy Glaze, John Manning, Zeke Moore, Gordon, Nesbitt, Bell, Traore, Tanner Lancona, Miles Reynolds, the trash can kid, Milik Yarbrough, Brett Jolly, Austin Gilman ..... do I need to go on? Don't take any one of these guys and defend them (ala Reynolds to Pacific then Oklahoma). That is not my point so I guess my point is man, we sure do miss on a lot of guys with supposed "talent" that never amount to breaking wind let alone breaking records. That's just amazinbg to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach314 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 3 hours ago, ACE said: In addition, I'm also happy to see local players who had SLU offers but originally signed elsewhere, wind up transferring to programs way below SLU... Kobe Clark, Kasubke, Mario McKinney as recent examples. Lol we know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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