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5 hours ago, slufan13 said:

I hope that Ford/staff are working certain channels to reach out to guys who may not even be in the transfer portal yet or who aren't even thinking about transferring. It's not the "right" way but it's probably how you have to play the game these days. I would like a guy who has NCAA tournament experience too even if it's from a 14-16 seed type of team. As others have said, we don't necessarily need a guy who comes in and averages 7 assists per game. Someone who can take care of the ball and defend at a decent level is acceptable and anything else they contribute is gravy

Ford said that he doesn't allow his coaches to do this so unless he is a liar then you need to come up with another "hope"

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2 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said:

What is the story with Malachi Smith from Chattanooga?  He is a point guard with tournament experience that is from Belleville.  Am I missing something with him?  Is he not in the portal?  If he is, why are we not interested?

staying in the draft

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3 hours ago, billiken_roy said:

coach, i have grown to like your billikens.com participation, but the last few days you sound more and more like the street agents so many of us detest.   this response has a tone that is patronizing and sarcastic and it seems like you condone all that has went on with this whole collins clustermess.   

crymdg has provided the context where ford details the gray area action by unethical programs that seems to fit this whole thing.   and your comment is "sounds good"?   what does that mean?   why do you even bother to respond if that is your comment?   

look i think most of us dont blame yuri for the end result.   my gosh it's likely more money then he ever imagined if the rumored figure is correct.   our real issue is the whole way it was handled and the disrespect and non courtesy collins showed to coach ford, saint louis university, the rest of the coaching staff, the great fans of the billikens.   it was not the way to handle this and all concerned deserved better than that.  

imo, it is unfixable.  at this point collins should probably just go ahead and head to tennessee and not look back.   we as billiken fans are somewhat used to being treated as such so we will all survive.   but for him to expect a ticker tape parade if he indeed does change his mind for some ungodly reason (that reason might have a good deal of zeroes attached) well it isnt going to happen imo.   

to the rest of the billiken fandom.  help a common mbm out.   why in the world do these young players think it is needed to publish their intent on twitter, or instagram or wherever for all the world to see?   why dont they just transact the "negotiations" privately and when it is a definite ending, then at that point if you want to publish your little goodbye letter heartlessly explaining your decision and result and hollow thanks and apology for all everyone did for you?   instead all this venom that has been heaped upon the player surely is understood.  the player brought it on himself.    not that it wouldnt have come out later, but you wouldnt have subjected yourself to all that leading up to the end.   maybe that was the intent?   generate enough bad blood you have more of a reason to turn and run?   dont matter you got the money.   that's all that mattered right?

I have no problem with Yuri's choice.  I have no connection to any of these local kids in terms of being an advisor or influencing their decisions.  I coached Javonte and Javon.  But that was over a decade ago.  I still chat with Javonte occasionally...he was one of my favorite players.  I get it.  You guys want a successful program that can be tournament bound every year.  In the pursuit of doing that,  they brought in Gordon and Nesbitt despite the red flags.  The staff knew about Gordon's issues and his baggage.  They knew about how it ended at Memphis under Penny with Nesbitt.  Getting mad because Yuri ended it with a text doesn't even compare.  But it is interesting the behaviors some will tolerate as long as it benefits them.  The staff made a choice that they felt was best for them.  Yuri has done the same...and he has that right.  If you want the program to be a top 25 program.. players transferring are going to be something that the staff will have to factor in.  How they build a team will have to change.  Every transfer won't be just the ones you "love" but don't mind losing.  As for this gray area that they allegedly don't cross...they have.  I typed sounds good because I thought it was funny that he would say that.   

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10 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said:

What is the story with Malachi Smith from Chattanooga?  He is a point guard with tournament experience that is from Belleville.  Am I missing something with him?  Is he not in the portal?  If he is, why are we not interested?

If we had 200k to spend on a point guard it would be him that I gave the cash to. And that’s not a knock on Yuri. 

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4 hours ago, SLUMedBilliken15 said:

I sincerely hope we are NOT doing this. 

If SLU taught me anything, it is the importance of the Jesuit values and being "Men and Women for others."

I love SLU basketball and want them to win more than I want most things. However, there is more to life than winning. I may be in the minority, but I'd rather see SLU be mediocre and ethical. 

I understand where you are coming from, but there is a big difference, in my opinion in what is ethical and what is not depending on context.  A doctor's code of ethics, or the ethics involved in handling charitable donations, or ethics required of an attorney in litigation, can be very different than the ethical standards of the already crooked system that is college basketball.  The NCAA, the universities, the coaches, the folks that wanted players to be paid, the players, and the boosters have created a system that is inherently unethical.  If programs like North Carolina with its sham classes and Kansas with its Nike scandals go unpunished for their unethical decisions, I'm not sure there are ethics in this game.  A system has been put in place where everyone understands these are the things that you need to do to be successful and no one is enforcing the rules that they claim are supposed to be maintaining ethical standards.  If that is the case, then doing what everyone else is doing, even if it violates the rules, is no less ethical than speeding on the highway.

Let's put it this way, if I were a coach who contacted a kid who was not in the portal about switching to my school, and then the next day I went to confession, I don't think that I would feel the need to mention that to the priest.

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1 minute ago, Littlebill said:

Apparently kept his eligibility, but he already transferred once after his fr year?

Does that mean he would have to sit?  What if he has graduated?  Could he be immediately eligible as a grad transfer?

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2 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said:

Does that mean he would have to sit?  What if he has graduated?  Could he be immediately eligible as a grad transfer?

Forgot about GT. Even if he theoretically pulls his name out (not seeing his name in any mocks), that is setting our sights really high. He'll be in top 2-3 best transfers available

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1 minute ago, Littlebill said:

Forgot about GT. Even if he theoretically pulls his name out (not seeing his name in any mocks), that is setting our sights really high. He'll be in top 2-3 best transfers available

If the word he gets from the NBA is that you need to show more to be drafted, what better spot would there be to do that than stepping into the point guard position of a guy that lead the nation in assists on a team that has even more fire power returning?

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4 minutes ago, Littlebill said:

Forgot about GT. Even if he theoretically pulls his name out (not seeing his name in any mocks), that is setting our sights really high. He'll be in top 2-3 best transfers available

agreed. BUT,

playing final year at home. Playing for a T25 team. Starting PG who could see as many minutes as he wants. 

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2 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said:

If the word he gets from the NBA is that you need to show more to be drafted, what better spot would there be to do that than stepping into the point guard position of a guy that lead the nation in assists on a team that has even more fire power returning?

He's more of a high usage combo guard I think rather than a point

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8 minutes ago, AnkielBreakers said:

Who is the ‘agent’ people keep talking about?

his agent through the nba evaluation process.  You can now have agents as long as those agents are ncaa certified, then it wont hurt your eligibility.

As for his name, I forgot.  

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3 hours ago, Coach314 said:

I have no problem with Yuri's choice.  I have no connection to any of these local kids in terms of being an advisor or influencing their decisions.  I coached Javonte and Javon.  But that was over a decade ago.  I still chat with Javonte occasionally...he was one of my favorite players.  I get it.  You guys want a successful program that can be tournament bound every year.  In the pursuit of doing that,  they brought in Gordon and Nesbitt despite the red flags.  The staff knew about Gordon's issues and his baggage.  They knew about how it ended at Memphis under Penny with Nesbitt.  Getting mad because Yuri ended it with a text doesn't even compare.  But it is interesting the behaviors some will tolerate as long as it benefits them.  The staff made a choice that they felt was best for them.  Yuri has done the same...and he has that right.  If you want the program to be a top 25 program.. players transferring are going to be something that the staff will have to factor in.  How they build a team will have to change.  Every transfer won't be just the ones you "love" but don't mind losing.  As for this gray area that they allegedly don't cross...they have.  I typed sounds good because I thought it was funny that he would say that.   

Thank you coach for posting your thoughts.

I did not realize that there was any issues with Jordan Nesbitt.

I did not know anything about Gordon other than rumors.

I love the hometown kids so I do not like them transferring but as you said this is what college basketball is and I will have to adjust to it.

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1 hour ago, gabriel said:

Fingers crossed this is Ramey, Coleman is well connected to Webster and friends with Ramey 

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As shocked as I would be, I’m failing to think of another stl kid right now 

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Just curious, what happens if someone enters the transfer portal, and no one picks him, or the only teams that show interest are teams he has no interest in? Does he automatically go back to his old school? Or could he find himself nowhere?

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