JohnnyJumpUp Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, AnkielBreakers said: If someone has a video of Traore’s technical foul, post a link. At the time it looked really strange. Then all of a sudden, foul called. I meant to go back and look, but forgot. brianstl likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 47 minutes ago, slufanskip said: I get your point and don't completely disagree. The thing with his 3 is it's so slow and flatfooted. On the other hand even if he's 0/3 and he's wide open for the 4th, do you want him to pass it up? I don't think I do. If you do what is the point where he starts passing up an open look? 0/2, 0/3, 0/4? It’s tough and I’m not sure there is a right answer. I would say if he starts off 0-3 I don’t mind him shooting if the ball has been moved around and he’s wide open. If he’s 0-3 I don’t want him shooting 3s at the beginning of the shot clock or off the dribble. I wouldn’t want him flaring out behind the arc on odd man rushes. I would try and get him some looks inside and see if that can get him going. slufanskip likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, dlarry said: It’s tough and I’m not sure there is a right answer. I would say if he starts off 0-3 I don’t mind him shooting if the ball has been moved around and he’s wide open. If he’s 0-3 I don’t want him shooting 3s at the beginning of the shot clock or off the dribble. I wouldn’t want him flaring out behind the arc on odd man rushes. I would try and get him some looks inside and see if that can get him going. He should let it fly. He shot 42% last year. He started off hot and then cooled down, and he will heat up at the end. One of the exciting things about this year is that we had a lot of good shooters who were not lighting it up earlier in the season. That means we are going to hit our shots later in the season. This is a buying opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 hours ago, slufanskip said: I don't understand why you would cringe. Yuri before yesterday 11/30 from 3 for 36.7% after 12/30 for 33.3% Hargrove before yesterday 19/48 for 39.5% after 19/54 for 35.2% Nesbit before yesterday 21/58 for 36.2% after 21/60 for 35% Jones 13/34 for 38.2% Can't argue with Thatch and Williams at this point but together they attempt under 3 - 3's per game. I am going to add some grades to your numbers.... the only difference I have is Jones at 39.4%...I show him with 13-33...either way he still grades out at A+. As a team the Bills come in as an A- 3P team Jimerson....43%...A+ Jones..........39.4...A+ Hargrove....35.2....B+ Nesbitt.........35......B Collins...........33.3...C Let me add 1 more thing to this 3P discussion ....when is it advantageous for the Bills to take a 3. The Bills currently shoot 48.9% from 2. In order to make it worthwhile to shoot a 3 whoever takes the shot needs to hit at a rate of at least 32.7%.... When Jimerson shoots it is the equivalent of a 2 pt shooter at 64.5% Trivia question ...When should Jimerson shoot?...Answer ...anytime he wants. johnbj14, RUBillsFan, slufanskip and 3 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, The Wiz said: I am going to add some grades to your numbers.... the only difference I have is Jones at 39.4%...I show him with 13-33...either way he still grades out at A+. As a team the Bills come in as an A- 3P team Jimerson....43%...A+ Jones..........39.4...A+ Hargrove....35.2....B+ Nesbitt.........35......B Collins...........33.3...C Let me add 1 more thing to this 3P discussion ....when is it advantageous for the Bills to take a 3. The Bills currently shoot 48.9% from 2. In order to make it worthwhile to shoot a 3 whoever takes the shot needs to hit at a rate of at least 32.7%.... When Jimerson shoots it is the equivalent of a 2 pt shooter at 64.5% Trivia question ...When should Jimerson shoot?...Answer ...anytime he wants. Do we ever add in the ratio of drawing a foul, with the resulting shooting percentage? That is kind of a relevant factor when taking a shot, because fouls on three point shots are a lot less common. Right now, at 80%, it might skew things significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, AnkielBreakers said: Do we ever add in the ratio of drawing a foul, with the resulting shooting percentage? That is kind of a relevant factor when taking a shot, because fouls on three point shots are a lot less common. Right now, at 80%, it might skew things significantly. I've thought about that even with assists. Yuri makes a great pass, the shooter gets hacked and misses, but goes to the line and makes 1 or 2, No assist is credited. it happens a lot with Yuri. I know the same thing happens with everyone but with Yuri he's involved in so much of our offense I think it might happen even more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 45 minutes ago, AnkielBreakers said: Do we ever add in the ratio of drawing a foul, with the resulting shooting percentage? That is kind of a relevant factor when taking a shot, because fouls on three point shots are a lot less common. Right now, at 80%, it might skew things significantly. I don't think I have anything that can help either you or @slufanskip...The closest I have is FTA/FGA for you and Assists/ FGM for skip. But I don't think that is what either of you is looking for specifically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I don't think I have anything that can help either you or @slufanskip...The closest I have is FTA/FGA for you and Assists/ FGM for skip. But I don't think that is what either of you is looking for specifically. I did not expect an answer because it was just a random thought, but here is an example: If GJ goes to the line 1 out of every 4 two pt attempts, and he shoots 90% from the line, then his true two point percentage jumps up to 55% ((90-43) / 4 = ~12; so 43 + 12). It is still smarter for him to shoot threes, but a closer decision. On another note, the Variation in shooting percentage for each team is probably calculated by someone. That would tell how likely a team is to have a horrible shooting game. Wouldn’t that also dictate how smart it is to shoot threes. No answer necessary, I am just thinking out the issue. TheA_Bomb likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 @The Wiz I read most of "Basketball on Paper: Rules and Tools for Performance Analysis" but I'll admit I'm not a stats guy. As in I'm not good with stats, I totally agree with the use of advanced stats to optimize your team as a part of the overall team strategy and game planning. Good stuff about the 3PT shot and how much it's worth. The Wiz likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Enjoy! Gremio14, NoCoBillsFan, Pistol and 1 other like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCoBillsFan Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, AnkielBreakers said: Enjoy! @SluSignGuy can we get a GIF of this in some form? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 very weak call by the ref, compare that to all the chest pounding and flexing it was nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 The best part is Gibby is completely lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 9 hours ago, JohnnyJumpUp said: that's great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 13 hours ago, AnkielBreakers said: Enjoy! Thanks for posting this - I sit on that end of the arena and honestly did not see it. Now seeing this I understand why I missed it. Blink and he was done. That ref was a bit quick with the whistle - how is pounding your chest and pointing to the bench not just as bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, cheeseman said: Thanks for posting this - I sit on that end of the arena and honestly did not see it. Now seeing this I understand why I missed it. Blink and he was done. That ref was a bit quick with the whistle - how is pounding your chest and pointing to the bench not just as bad? I don’t blame the ref, that said, I think Traore should do this after every dunk, and Coach Ford should work with the refs and opposing team to make every one aware this is not done in a derogatory manner. What a calling card move. I can see the future Ackerman commercial already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, AnkielBreakers said: I don’t blame the ref, that said, I think Traore should do this after every dunk, and Coach Ford should work with the refs and opposing team to make every one aware this is not done in a derogatory manner. What a calling card move. I can see the future Ackerman commercial already. He could do the dance on a carpet flying above the Arch with “Becky the Queen of Carpets” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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