Reinert310 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 2 hours ago, slufanskip said: Shot foot forward. The main thing for me is that the elbow points to the center of the rim. For most players it's easier to get there with the shot foot forward. For many it also helps to rotate slightly to the off hand side. Especially people with broad shoulders. Pulling that elbow in can feel stretched and unnatural. You can see he turns slightly left. What I like is he was consistent. He hit his shot pocket and didn't just push up through it and had a quick release. His hands finish great. His trajectory is perfect. It's just 4 shots and you could probably sit in front and nit pick but imo there is a lot to like in that shot. At least those 4 This is a fantastic description, Skip. It’s usually pretty easy to tell when your elbow is flying open (the chicken wing), because the shot will be more flat, more like shot put (pushing through it like Skip said). If you have an easy, repeatable stroke with a quick release, not only are you more likely to be a really good shooter, but it’s easier (and faster) to fix mechanical mistakes. You miss a few shots in a row, you can go back and say, “Ok, what am I doing wrong? My shots have been flat, I’m pushing it. Gotta bring my elbow in.” Or...”I’m leaving everything short. I might not be following through.” Whereas, if you have a hideous jumper like Lonzo Ball, I imagine it’s a lot harder to fix the mechanics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach314 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Reinert310 said: This is a fantastic description, Skip. It’s usually pretty easy to tell when your elbow is flying open (the chicken wing), because the shot will be more flat, more like shot put (pushing through it like Skip said). If you have an easy, repeatable stroke with a quick release, not only are you more likely to be a really good shooter, but it’s easier (and faster) to fix mechanical mistakes. You miss a few shots in a row, you can go back and say, “Ok, what am I doing wrong? My shots have been flat, I’m pushing it. Gotta bring my elbow in.” Or...”I’m leaving everything short. I might not be following through.” Whereas, if you have a hideous jumper like Lonzo Ball, I imagine it’s a lot harder to fix the mechanics. Lonzo changed his shot. Shooting .378 from 3 this year. 37% last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinert310 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Coach314 said: Lonzo changed his shot. Shooting .378 from 3 this year. 37% last year I’m not a big NBA guy. Good for him for changing it, because it was ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Amazing .008 increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliesBy40 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Taj79 said: Amazing .008 increase. He shot 30.5% as a rookie and 32.9% in year 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 That wasn't stated above only he went from 37% to .378. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 54 minutes ago, Taj79 said: That wasn't stated above only he went from 37% to .378. Thank you. None of us saw that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 If there is anything of value here, this brief discussion shows clearly is how easy it is to get data that is correct (.378%) in the right context compare it to another piece of data (.370%) that is also correct in the right context, and come up with the wrong conclusion that improvement has been minuscule. There is no apparent error here, however when you use the separate years' results you can see improvement. Statistics can be interpreted incorrectly, this is something that can happen often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach314 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 On 5/11/2021 at 7:27 PM, Reinert310 said: I’m not a big NBA guy. Good for him for changing it, because it was ugly. Yeah. There's someone on the staff with the Pelicans that has worked with him these last two years. Can't remember his name at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 when Justin love was on the Suns summer roster after graduating from SLU, his father told me about the level of shot coaching Justin was getting and it was amazing. If I remember correctly, Justin was a pretty decent shooter while at SLU but his father detailed how much better he got with those few months of individual work while working with the Suns shooting coach. So it doesnt surprise me that any of the pro's greatly improve their shot. BilliesBy40 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compton Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Old guy said: If there is anything of value here, this brief discussion shows clearly is how easy it is to get data that is correct (.378%) in the right context compare it to another piece of data (.370%) that is also correct in the right context. Wow. If that data is indeed correct, that means he was making about 1 in 300 3-pointers. billikens747, Billikenbooster, BilliesBy40 and 3 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliesBy40 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Coach314 said: Yeah. There's someone on the staff with the Pelicans that has worked with him these last two years. Can't remember his name at the moment. Fred Vinson. He also helped Brandon Ingram make a similar jump in 3pt% and FT%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach314 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 On 5/13/2021 at 1:40 PM, BilliesBy40 said: Fred Vinson. He also helped Brandon Ingram make a similar jump in 3pt% and FT%. That's him. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AnkielBreakers Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, Coach314 said: Good for Nesbitt. Moves on, but still keeps relationships. That is an important trait in life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, AnkielBreakers said: Good for Nesbitt. Moves on, but still keeps relationships. That is an important trait in life. so sounds like those early rumors of his being an issue to the team are shot down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 44 minutes ago, Coach314 said: Can someone translate for us old farts? CBFan and dennis_w like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliesBy40 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, slufanskip said: Can someone translate for us old farts? Not a lot to translate. It appears Jordan had a baby and shared the news with Penny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 35 minutes ago, slufanskip said: Can someone translate for us old farts? Jordan says “dis da real me”. He is saying, hey world, this is who I am am. He also texts a person by the name of “penny”, which is assumed by many to be Anfernee Hardaway, who went by the pseudo name ‘Penny’. Pseudo names are another way of saying nickname. In this text he tells ‘penny’ ‘Yk dat’, it is unclear from the small context what exactly is being said, however, we can deduce that he is using two letters that do not make a word. Therefore, we can reasonably guess that this is an acronym for two words which begin with Y and K. My thinking is that this means “you know”. ‘Dat ’ is commonly used in place of the word ‘that’ for a specific emphasis. Such as trying to show that you were intentionally trying to speak with a certain amount of disregard. This is commonly done to gain acceptance amongst friends or other crowds that might have a general disregard, or a general feeling of exhaustion, for using a preset or structured grammar. Therefore, it likely says “you know that”. The 100% symbol means just that, 100%, and shows that statistically his statement is undeniable in his opinion. It is the writer’s way to show authenticity. So, yeah, blue font. I have a whole lot more of this if you want it... in short though, Nesbitt makes a nice gesture. Outside of that, it has no meaning. BilliesBy40, ACE, BuiltFordBills and 4 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilzz Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Coach314 said: Happy for him. Perhaps the pregnancy is why Nesbitt felt like he needed to come back home and all the rumors of being an issue in the locker room were overblown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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slufanskip Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, AnkielBreakers said: Jordan says “dis da real me”. He is saying, hey world, this is who I am am. He also texts a person by the name of “penny”, which is assumed by many to be Anfernee Hardaway, who went by the pseudo name ‘Penny’. Pseudo names are another way of saying nickname. In this text he tells ‘penny’ ‘Yk dat’, it is unclear from the small context what exactly is being said, however, we can deduce that he is using two letters that do not make a word. Therefore, we can reasonably guess that this is an acronym for two words which begin with Y and K. My thinking is that this means “you know”. ‘Dat ’ is commonly used in place of the word ‘that’ for a specific emphasis. Such as trying to show that you were intentionally trying to speak with a certain amount of disregard. This is commonly done to gain acceptance amongst friends or other crowds that might have a general disregard, or a general feeling of exhaustion, for using a preset or structured grammar. Therefore, it likely says “you know that”. The 100% symbol means just that, 100%, and shows that statistically his statement is undeniable in his opinion. It is the writer’s way to show authenticity. So, yeah, blue font. I have a whole lot more of this if you want it... in short though, Nesbitt makes a nice gesture. Outside of that, it has no meaning. I clicked on the post on Bills.com but didn't realize I had to click again on the twitter page to open it up. I wasn't seeing anything but what the post here showed. No Penny reference at all. Thank You Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 46 minutes ago, slufanskip said: Can someone translate for us old farts? literally did a spit take, well Costco Rasberry crumble take reading this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 26 minutes ago, BilliesBy40 said: Not a lot to translate. It appears Jordan had a baby and shared the news with Penny. There is if all you're seeing is what is showing on Coach314's post. BilliesBy40 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliesBy40 Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 15 hours ago, Bilzz said: Happy for him. Perhaps the pregnancy is why Nesbitt felt like he needed to come back home and all the rumors of being an issue in the locker room were overblown. Yep. It is a good example why fans should avoid speculation. Having a kid at any age is hard, but I hope being closer to his support system (and TEAM BLUE!) will make it easier for Jordan and the baby’s mother. Compton and slufanskip like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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