Transfers - 2021

[Major Majerus]

2 hours ago, almaman said:

My family were Thom Mcan people.

Buster Brown for me thru grade school

[ACE]

25 minutes ago, Reinert310 said:

National reporters speculate on that stuff all the time. I don’t follow media members of other schools to be able to pull up exact quotes, but of course other reporters do it. If you really think Frank is the only one, I really don’t know what to tell you. It’s no different than media members speculating about coaches leaving schools while their season is still going on. If you don’t want to discuss it, fine, don’t engage in the conversation. No biggie. But I just don’t get attacking Frank for that sort speculation makes him irresponsible or a hit to his credibility.

Agreed, not sure why any SLU fan would have a problem with Frank. He covers the program more than any local media member. Since Ford and Tate have come on board, he has had great scoops on SLU recruiting - especially targets with local ties - I recall Frank being the first to report impending commitments from Goodwin, Thatch, Gordon, Yuri, Hargrove and Isabell are some off the top of my head. 

 

Will we ultimately get any of those players, who knows, but not sure why it is so hard to believe when Frank says those are all recruiting targets. He didn't say any of them were on the verge (see what I did there) of signing.

[Franchise_08]

It’s the same people that complain about the amount of coverage that complain about the coverage. 

[billiken_roy]

i sure hope we dont end up with those three locals.   i think we can do better.  if one of them comes through.  fine, but all three?   i hope not.

[TheA_Bomb]

His report has a proximity bias. He has local sources that may make it seem as if the focus is on these guys. He doesn't hear about the others because he has no sources to feed him info on them.  Whatever I'll take the news and it's gotta help with the kids to hear this report.

[TheChosenOne]

Overall I am good with Frank cheerleading for the program. With him being considered more legitimate media, I would prefer that he not talk about players on other teams rosters in connection with us though. Wait until they become recruitable players. I assume someone has told him SLU would have interest in Cook, but not a great look to be talking about that when Cook is about to play in a Sweet 16 game.

Am I the only one who would not have much interest in Verge? And is he in the portal? Again, just hold off until dudes are in the transfer portal.

[willie]

1 hour ago, ACE said:

Agreed, not sure why any SLU fan would have a problem with Frank. He covers the program more than any local media member. Since Ford and Tate have come on board, he has had great scoops on SLU recruiting - especially targets with local ties - I recall Frank being the first to report impending commitments from Goodwin, Thatch, Gordon, Yuri, Hargrove and Isabell are some off the top of my head. 

 

Will we ultimately get any of those players, who knows, but not sure why it is so hard to believe when Frank says those are all recruiting targets. He didn't say any of them were on the verge (see what I did there) of signing.

Frank is great. Passionate sportscaster about local teams and the only on air/radio who gives a damn about basketball. 

[VeniceMenace]

18 minutes ago, TheChosenOne said:

Overall I am good with Frank cheerleading for the program. With him being considered more legitimate media, I would prefer that he not talk about players on other teams rosters in connection with us though. Wait until they become recruitable players. I assume someone has told him SLU would have interest in Cook, but not a great look to be talking about that when Cook is about to play in a Sweet 16 game.

Am I the only one who would not have much interest in Verge? And is he in the portal? Again, just hold off until dudes are in the transfer portal.

I cannot say how well he defends, but Cook and Mckissick are known as strong defenders. Verge scored 28 pts vs. Oregon in conference tourney, 26 vs. Washington State in the game before that...based on those performances I would question either how much help he had or how he was used during the regular season, when he scored half that much.

I'd love to see him on the court with Perkins. An 80 percent free throw shooter and, like Perkins, one of the leading scorers nationally in JUCO.

[Taj79]

Not that high on Kolek, bill.

[Taj79]

Geedubya has a commitment from a transfer big Ira Lee out of Arizona.  St. Joe's got a commitment out of another GT big Ejike Obinna out of Vanderbilt.  Neither seem to add much in terms of satr power, I wonder how the Nigerian dude will fit the five out, three point launcher style at the Joeys.  It will move Taylor Funk out to his proper Euro-big position  however.

[Pistol]

6 hours ago, TheChosenOne said:

Am I the only one who would not have much interest in Verge? And is he in the portal? Again, just hold off until dudes are in the transfer portal.

Verge is a senior, he's not in the portal, and basically ASU is waiting to see if he takes a fifth year or bounces for the pros or another school. I honestly love his game every time I see him play, and I have since he was in HS. Well, AAU to be specific because he went to like 6 high schools. But SLU recruited him before his eligibility got extra messy, I loved watching him on those BBE teams, and I wouldn't mind his offensive abilities around here.

[kappy96]

17 hours ago, BilliesBy40 said:

What other reporters are saying X school is interested in Y player who is still playing and hasn't announced their transfer? I'll wait. And my overarching point is we shouldn't take these comments by Frank as anything warranting conversation. 

This a message board.  It’s designed for exactly that...this thread is example A.

[BilliesBy40]

1 hour ago, kappy96 said:

This a message board.  It’s designed for exactly that...this thread is example A.

I find it a lot more productive to discuss guys who might actually come here (e.g., McKissic) than random players from the St. Louis area. I’m honestly surprised Frank didn’t tell us SLU will be targeting Liddell this off-season.

[HoosierPal]

17 hours ago, billiken_roy said:

i sure hope we dont end up with those three locals.   i think we can do better.  if one of them comes through.  fine, but all three?   i hope not.

I’m glad you said this. I figured it was against this board’s religion to say we need to get players outside of STL but I totally agree. We have had great players not from here, French the latest example. We need the best we can get where we they come from.  It hasn’t worked all that well foe Penny at Memphis going as local as he can. 

[VeniceMenace]

6 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

I’m glad you said this. I figured it was against this board’s religion to say we need to get players outside of STL but I totally agree. We have had great players not from here, French the latest example. We need the best we can get where we they come from.  It hasn’t worked all that well foe Penny at Memphis going as local as he can. 

Hoping Frank said Verge because the coaches know something we don't know. The Arizona paper said he's likely going to play pro somewhere this year. Why anyone wouldn't want him here is a head scratcher, but then again this is a message board where everyone is entitled to their opinion. Where he comes from is immaterial, only one Billiken this year had a higher scoring average than he did, and he played against better competition.

Also, I think Cook and McKissick would be great adds to this team as well, and they would help greatly with perimeter defense, this team's biggest weakness this season. The fact they are local players is a plus, but not a requirement.

[3star_recruit]

Almost every player on those foundational Gonzaga teams of the late 1990s was from the state of Washington.   Most of the players from those Brad Stevens Butler teams were from Indiana.  And that makes sense.  If you don't have a national reputation for winning (Majerus), it's hard to convince good players from across the country to come to a mid-major school when you're building a program. 

You have to start somewhere.  Being a hero in your hometown is an appealing sales pitch to a lot of kids.  After you've built something that is nationally respected, then getting good players from outside the region becomes a lot easier.  

[Clock_Tower]

31 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said:

Almost every player on those foundational Gonzaga teams of the late 1990s was from the state of Washington.   Most of the players from those Brad Stevens Butler teams were from Indiana.  And that makes sense.  If you don't have a national reputation for winning (Majerus), it's hard to convince good players from across the country to come to a mid-major school when you're building a program. 

You have to start somewhere.  Being a hero in your hometown is an appealing sales pitch to a lot of kids.  After you've built something that is nationally respected, then getting good players from outside the region becomes a lot easier.  

Yes. But I have seen it the other way too. The best local kids roll their eyes and have no interest in coming to SLU bc we are not “big-time” or win enough or make the Tournament... but they are quick to refer their second tier friends and teammates whereas outstate kids might give us a chance and accept the immediate playing time without concern of negative stigma like the locals

[3star_recruit]

2 hours ago, Clock_Tower said:

Yes. But I have seen it the other way too. The best local kids roll their eyes and have no interest in coming to SLU bc we are not “big-time” or win enough or make the Tournament... but they are quick to refer their second tier friends and teammates whereas outstate kids might give us a chance and accept the immediate playing time without concern of negative stigma like the locals

Coach Ford has recruited plenty of out of state kids.  They just didn't come.  He's had a lot more success convincing Missouri and Illinois kids to come.  So our experience has been that the 3 star regional kids give us a chance but the kids from outside the region, not so much.

[Clock_Tower]

20 hours ago, courtside said:

Hence the firing of one coach and hiring of another. They were in a good spot, Elite 8 after multiple Sweet 16's. Two things changed that:

1) Vander Blue unexpectedly turned pro on a high hope (Final Four hopes) team and that team fell apart without him.

2) Marquette made a bad hire for both University President and University AD. Both were fired. The School President (passed away recently RIP) was in over his head from the beginning. The AD was a micromanaging hard a** who made the mistake of thinking the AD is bigger than the basketball coach at Marquette. All one has to do is see where both ended up afterwards. So AD, School Prez, board, Admin all matter kids. Their current AD has made some good hires prior to this. The new school Prez there gets mixed reviews but has done okay. Wojo lasted so long because away from the court he was well liked, choir boy type, boring, stiff, not a lot of personality but said and did all of the right things etc...Shaka had a lot of support in 2014 from one of their bigger $$$ boosters. He wasn't happy with the Wojo hire.

Not saying Shaka is a bad coach or has forgotten how to coach but does anyone know what Shaka’s coaching philosophy now is in 2021?  I doubt it bc Shaka does not seem to know...  His Nolan Richardson 94 feet of hell system worked at a mid-major a decade ago but now? 

[billikenbill]

Wake’s Quadry Adams to the Bonnies. Fr. guard who didn’t get many mins. but impressed late in the year with his defensive presence and hustle. Of Wake’s 7 players choosing not to return, including Massoud, Adams is the one player Wake fans didn’t want to lose. He’ll be a perfect fit for the Bonnies. Excellent pick-up by Schmidt.

[Clock_Tower]

20 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said:

Coach Ford has recruited plenty of out of state kids.  They just didn't come.  He's had a lot more success convincing Missouri and Illinois kids to come.  So our experience has been that the 3 star regional kids give us a chance but the kids from outside the region, not so much.

JGood was very good for us - local. French was very good too - not local. 
 

Yuri, a local, has been OK, is young, has been injured and I believe slowed bc of of COVID but I am not resurrecting new vocabulary to cover his flaws, I take heat for speaking the truth and am making no plans for his induction into the Billiken HOF like most on this Board. 
Hargrove - a local- starts off each year on the bench, ends the year up with minutes demanding by so many, has developed more than most players despite our Billiken coaches who so many feel cannot develop players or teach them how to shoot or instruct as to field goal form  ... but Hargrove has been average I would rather play the non local - Jimerson  - a non local who has been great at times, is young, injured last season, and hasn’t been given a real opportunity yet but overall has been OK

Perkins - a local - has been great  

Thatch - a local - has been average.  Alot of hype, defensive specialist, Big 3, then the sickness/lost season, this year a role player, great guy, alot of hope... but so far nothing major.

Bell and Linssen - non locals have been OK but not special

Strickland and Lorentsson- non locals and who knows what they can do  

Jacobs - a non local - and an underperformer

 

 

[courtside]

34 minutes ago, Clock_Tower said:

Not saying Shaka is a bad coach or has forgotten how to coach but does anyone know what Shaka’s coaching philosophy now is in 2021?  I doubt it bc Shaka does not seem to know...  His Nolan Richardson 94 feet of hell system worked at a mid-major a decade ago but now? 

The flip side to that is that he has used a variety of styles and systems, which makes him adaptable to personnel, league, etc...which would be considered a positive to some. 

The expectations will be to be an almost annual NCAA Team. He is 8 of 12 there and 3 of 6 at Texas. (They would not have made it last year) So pretty good, but not good enough at the Power 5/Big East league level.

Zero regular season League Titles in 12 years over 3 leagues.He has some 2nd and 3rd place finishes. He will be expected to compete for league titles winning it once in a while. His last two seasons at Texas were both 3rd. He will need to be a regular top 3rd of Big East Coach to please there. Top 5 to start.

3 Conference Tourney Titles in 12 seasons including 1 in Big 12 this year, 1 in A-10, 1 in Colonial. Mix in a few of those. 

NCAA Tourney 7 wins but in only 3 of 12 years, zero for six in Big 12. (All of his losses have been by a combined 8 points but they are losses) He has to win more NCAA games more years more often. 

I believe this is the first Black Head Coach in any sport at Marquette. (Dennis Gates also strongly considered) and I know that was important to consider in the hiring process. 

We’ll see. 

[3star_recruit]

Combo guard Tyson Walker picked Michigan State.  Self is one step closer to making the McKissic offer committable.

[Clock_Tower]

Yes. He has been adaptable - but hasn’t been good veering away from his bread and butter which account for so much of his success which you summarize. 
He was given a fresh start at Texas, came in with high praise and accolades, used this together with the status, name, facilities and conference of UT, recruited extremely well by all accounts but then 3 of 6 Tournaments?  1st round losses?  Lost to Abiline?  And all Texas?   And Marquette wanted him anyway?  Great for Texas and the rest of the Big East. 

[slufanskip]

43 minutes ago, Clock_Tower said:

JGood was very good for us - local. French was very good too - not local. 
 

Yuri, a local, has been OK, is young, has been injured and I believe slowed bc of of COVID but I am not resurrecting new vocabulary to cover his flaws, I take heat for speaking the truth and am making no plans for his induction into the Billiken HOF like most on this Board. 
Hargrove - a local- starts off each year on the bench, ends the year up with minutes demanding by so many, has developed more than most players despite our Billiken coaches who so many feel cannot develop players or teach them how to shoot or instruct as to field goal form  ... but Hargrove has been average I would rather play the non local - Jimerson  - a non local who has been great at times, is young, injured last season, and hasn’t been given a real opportunity yet but overall has been OK

Perkins - a local - has been great  

Thatch - a local - has been average.  Alot of hype, defensive specialist, Big 3, then the sickness/lost season, this year a role player, great guy, alot of hope... but so far nothing major.

Bell and Linssen - non locals have been OK but not special

Strickland and Lorentsson- non locals and who knows what they can do  

Jacobs - a non local - and an underperformer

 

 

Did you take heat or did people just disagree with you regarding Yuri? You call it speaking the truth, but isn't it really just your opinion.